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NO and Arginine

Steviemh

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This was posted on another forum....Not sure if its been posted here yet.

Stop taking Arginine, Nitric Oxide, or pre-workout formulas around your workouts. (Yeah...this is going to start some controversy. Haha!!) There is something called the ISSN convention. ISSN stands for International Society or Sport Nutrition. This is where the top doctors and big shots of supplemental research go to learn about the new stuff. It happens in Vegas every year. Research will not be presented there unless the research is EXTREMELY conclusive. If it is not conclusive or relative, you have a huge number of doctors (in the same related fields) who will call them out on the spot. I have the abstract personally. I will type it out underneath this. Okay...here is the kicker: Arginine and nitric oxide have been proven to inhibit the secretion of growth homone when taken close to exercise. Okay...when we are lifting weights (stressing the body), what hormone do we really need for recovery. Hmmm...that would be growth hormone. This is not good. This is the opposite of what we want. Don't get me wrong freakz. I was also taking a pre-workout mix with lots of Arginine caps. I have stopped, and I will never take them again close to the workout. Don't misunderstand me here either. I am just telling everybody to stop taking them close to the workout. You can still take them at other times for good vaso-dilation, blood flow, macro-nutrient delivery, amino acids, etc.

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Speaker: Jill Kanaley, PhD. Dept of Exercise Science, Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY 13244

Title: Oral Arginine Supplements: Should we or shouldn't we?

Level 3.

Abstract: In attempts to promote gains in muscle mass and strength gains, numerous training protocols and supplements have been tested. Further, muscle enhancement occurs in conjunction with the GH/IGF axes, thus many believe that the increases in GH concentrations seen with exercise promote muscle growth and strength gains. It is also known that intravenous arginine infusion increases basal GH secretion, but controversy exists on the combined effects of arginine and exercise in stimulating the GH release. In addition, complicating the studies on arginine and exercise is that the route of administration may be important. One study using intravenous arginine found an additive GH response with arginine+exercise, while several studies using oral arginine have reported that arginine+exercise did not enhance the GH response. Is it possible that arginine may enhance protein synthesis independent of GH or really enhances metabolism in ways that have not been measured? This presentation will focus on the research of the influence of oral arginine ingestion on GH release and other possible functions that oral arginine may be having. Further this seminar will examine the acute responses vs. the chronic responses to arginine ingestion.
 
Read the study. It says that intraveinous arginine has shown to increase GH, but oral had not shown to increase.

It says nothing about inhibiting GH secretion, just not any additional increase.

The fact that arginine enhances blood flow, nutrient delviery and helps protein synthesis is reason enough to use it.
 
I would love to use arginine every night before bed but A. Studies show you have to take a crap load and B. It tastes aweful...and I thought creatine tasted bad! It also makes my stomach feel bad. If you have any tips on overcoming these issues, let me know!
 
As I'm sure you already know, it can cause a significant increase in HGH but only in high doses. I recently bought some NOW powder to give it a run, but it COMPLETELY cancels out the taste of the sugarless fruit flavoring i mixed with it. If I could verify that it was actually increasing my HGH I think it would be worth the horrible taste.
 
As I'm sure you already know, it can cause a significant increase in HGH but only in high doses. I recently bought some NOW powder to give it a run, but it COMPLETELY cancels out the taste of the sugarless fruit flavoring i mixed with it. If I could verify that it was actually increasing my HGH I think it would be worth the horrible taste.

Why don't you just get some capsules bro....? That's what they're made for.
 
It doesn't taste that bad bro. I have bulk powder, toss 10 grams in a cup and stir. Doesn't taste that bad. It's unpleasant but it isn't unbearable. I say suck it up, lol.
 
Yeah, I agree dabuffguy. dmc777, That's a possibility but like dabuffguy said, research shows you need 8-15 grams depending on size and its a lot cheaper in the powder form. (Thinking out loud) I guess I could try filling some caps myself, from pure powder. Where can i get empty caps? That'd be a pain, probably just drink that shitty tasting powder!
 
Read the study. It says that intraveinous arginine has shown to increase GH, but oral had not shown to increase.

It says nothing about inhibiting GH secretion, just not any additional increase.

The fact that arginine enhances blood flow, nutrient delviery and helps protein synthesis is reason enough to use it.
yes what he said...studys show to affect gh u would have to be young person and take somthin like 5g pure arginine on a compleatly empty stomach before bed...for very little affect at that....the blood flow is the reason to take it also its an eccential amino
 
Dude, just put a shit load on your tongue and quick wash it down with a chug of water....can take like 4-5 grams in 2 seconds....get it done
 
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