Nips still puffy, even while using Arimidex...

[Nighthawkk]

Running Sust 500mg/Deca400mg EW, and I'm in Week 4. Nips were puffy in week 3, started A-dex @ .5mg EOD. They got better, now are getting puffy again even while using the a-dex. Should I toss in nolva now maybe @ 20mg EOD to be on the safe side? I know some of you are going to say it's deca-induced gyno, however I would think that estrogen would have to be present for progesterone gyno to begin in the first place...I may be wrong though. Anyone have advice?

 

[DaddyX]

huh, u might be getting it from the deca if you are using adex. and what r u talking about with the estrogen having to be present for gyno to happen ? two different ways to get gyno, progesterone and increased estrogen. test = estrogen, the adex should control that type of gyno. deca = progesterone, adex wont help that. i bet it is the deca

 

[Nighthawkk]

What would be a good course of action then, considering I dont have any proviron? I have used deca before but @ 200mg EW and experienced no problems, so maybe I should lower my dose?

 

[DaddyX]

nay, i would try bromo or even winny sometimes can reduce progesterone induced gyno. worked for my friend

 

[Triple J]

Your adex dose is rather low, and some people that are prone to gyno, need to use the stronger femara / letrozole. I probably would first ramp up your adex dose to at least 1mg day and add some ndex. But if you do not want to fool around just switch to letrozole. The other thing to keep in mind is how often do you inject. Because even with once/wk injections your get some rather significant fluctuations in T (and subsequently E) levels. I would advise shooting T up e3d.

 

[Nighthawkk]

I would think 1mg a-dex is way too much for these dosages, it is a very powerful drug. If you want to know, I inject every 3-4 days w/ Sust and Deca in the same syringe.

 

[DaddyX]

I would think 1mg a-dex is way too much for these dosages, it is a very powerful drug. If you want to know, I inject every 3-4 days w/ Sust and Deca in the same syringe.

yea bro, u do not need 1mg of adex ed with your dosage. .5mg ed is plenty if not .5eod

 

[PBR]

IF YOU ARE HAVING GYNO SYMPTOMS ADD NOLVADEX AT 30MGS ALONG WITH THE ARIMEDEX UNTIL SIDES DISAPPEAR..(per day)..

 

[Nighthawkk]

IF YOU ARE HAVING GYNO SYMPTOMS ADD NOLVADEX AT 30MGS ALONG WITH THE ARIMEDEX UNTIL SIDES DISAPPEAR..(per day)..

I have added 20mg nolv EOD, this seems to be working great so far.

 

[PBR]

less is more

I have added 20mg nolv EOD, this seems to be working great so far.

Glad this is working....my belief is that less is more ....good job...you can take out the nolvadex when the sides go away, and you should be fine.....just watch yourself-and dont let the symptoms manifest if they arise again-first sign of anything like this , should be dealt with quickly-you dont want to go for a $4000 surgery......peace

 

[Nighthawkk]

Re: less is more

Glad this is working....my belief is that less is more ....good job...you can take out the nolvadex when the sides go away, and you should be fine.....just watch yourself-and dont let the symptoms manifest if they arise again-first sign of anything like this , should be dealt with quickly-you dont want to go for a $4000 surgery......peace

Agreed. I also notice that with the nolv, once I cease using it the puffiness comes back a few days later, but then sometimes subside (I guess this is due to A-dex?) Maybe I should just run it straight through...

 

[Triple J]

listen bro no point arguing about proper adex dose cause since your were getting gyno symptoms no doubt you were not taking enough, right? is that so hard to understand? at any rate glad to hear the ndex is getting the job done for you

 

[jubei]

Nolva is the king of all tit killers.

 

[Lestat]

Nolva is the king of all tit killers.

Does it actually make the "puffyness" go away?

 

[twistedneck]

Based on studies I've read, the excess E is part of the reason prolactin and progesterone form, deca / tren. maybe bromo to kill it off and nolvadex as a safety net for anything that gets to your nips.

 

[CanadianBro]

I can't believe nobody has suggested what causes approximately
80% of the "possible gyno" problems during a cycle.....water
weight and fat.

8-9 times out of 10 (if the athlete is not eating clean) the
puffyness and growth around the nipple is due to excessive
water and fat build up.

This gentleman stated that he began to see puffyness around
week 3, took Arimidex and the puffyness temporarily subsided.

It came back again later even during Arimidex treatment.

This immediately makes me think that the initial Arimidex dosage
reduced the amount of water weight and therefore the effect
subsided only to come back later. I think the reason it came
back this time was due to excessive fat deposits.

Areas like the midsection, upper hamstring/glutes and chest are
the first areas to be hit with excessive fat and therefore cause
the athlete to become alarmed to the possibility of gyno.

Try to eat a little cleaner, cut the cardio, and reduce the # of
workouts while increasing the INTENSITY of them.

The most important aspect is the eating.

Be sure to eat as clean as possible.

Is this your first cycle?

Please keep us updated as to your status.

Good luck.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Man, Canadianbro is hitting this board with just too much common sence. Just when some of us lost all hope. He's right on about this as a definitive possibility.

And deca will cause puffiness in some users from it's progesteronic sides. Those sides will also cause some to distribute and deposit their fat on the chest, hips etc...

 

[CanadianBro]

Does it actually make the "puffyness" go away?

No.

The puffyness you see around the nipple is NOT a sign of gyno.
Gyno has a distinct look and feel to it. Very similar to a large
cystic pimple.

The puffyness is usually due to excessive water weight and/or
fat.

 

[jubei]

Gyno is large lumps underneath the nipples not just fat in the chest area. Nolvadex does help keep estrogenic fat away from the chest area as well as preventing gyno itself.

If you suffer from puffiness or fat around the nipple you could try yohimburn 2 x day before workouts and before bed. If its not gyno it should make a big difference.

 

[CanadianBro]

Gyno is large lumps underneath the nipples not just fat in the chest area. Nolvadex does help keep estrogenic fat away from the chest area as well as preventing gyno itself.

If you suffer from puffiness or fat around the nipple you could try yohimburn 2 x day before workouts and before bed. If its not gyno it should make a big difference.

Yes, Nolva does help with the fat and therefore many people
go on believing that it was infact gyno and the Nolvadex
caused it to dissapear.

Excellent point Jubei

 

[Nighthawkk]

I can't believe nobody has suggested what causes approximately
80% of the "possible gyno" problems during a cycle.....water
weight and fat.

8-9 times out of 10 (if the athlete is not eating clean) the
puffyness and growth around the nipple is due to excessive
water and fat build up.

This gentleman stated that he began to see puffyness around
week 3, took Arimidex and the puffyness temporarily subsided.

It came back again later even during Arimidex treatment.

This immediately makes me think that the initial Arimidex dosage
reduced the amount of water weight and therefore the effect
subsided only to come back later. I think the reason it came
back this time was due to excessive fat deposits.

Yea, I think this is right on point bro. In the past couple days since I posted this, they were puffed up a little, but now they seem to have gone back to normal once again, and I did nolv in addition to the a-dex for only two days. A few days after I continued with just the a-dex, and it hasnt come back. I am starting to think it was, in fact, fat deposits and water since I am not really eating that clean because I'm bulking. Anyhow, I'll keep on the safe side and keep using ancillaries whether or not it is gyno, but at least I know now it was not progesterone related.