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Mike Tyson Quotes
Note: Some of the words have been censored because this is on Tripod.

“[He] called me a ‘rapist’ and a ‘recluse.’ I’m not a recluse.”

On Lennox Lewis

"Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

"My main objective is to be professional but to kill him."

"I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him [Lennox Lewis]. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children."

On Evander Holyfield

"You got nothing coming, man. I'm going to enjoy this fight."

After biting Holyfield he said, "This is my career. I have children to raise. I have to retaliate. He butted me. Look at me. My kids will be scared of me."

"I felt Holyfield was using his head illegally. I told the referee I wasn't getting any help, so I went back to the streets. I cannot defend it, but it happened."

On Razor Ruddock

"You're sweet. I'm going to make sure you kiss me good with those big lips. I'm gonna make you my girlfriend."

On Tyrell Biggs

Tyson on Tyrell Biggs' complaining to him about low blows "Low blows? Low blows? Huh! Motherf**ker you're fittin' to die!"

"He was screaming like my wife."

"I could have knocked him out in the third round but I wanted to do it slowly, so he would remember this night for a long time."

On His Wife

"I paid a worker at New York's zoo to re-open it just for me and Robin. When we got to the gorilla cage there was 1 big silverback gorilla there just bullying all the other gorillas. They were so powerful but their eyes were like an innocent infant. I offered the attendant $10,000 to open the cage and let smash that silverback's snotbox! He declined."

"Anyone with a grain of sense would know that if I punched my wife I would rip her head off. It's all lies. I have never laid a finger on her."

On His Childhood

"One morning I woke up and found my favorite pigeon, Julius, had died I was devastated and was gonna use his crate as my stickball bat to honor him. I left the crate on my stoop and went in to get something and I returned to see the sanitation man put the crate into the crusher. I rushed him and caught him flush on the temple with a titanic right hand he was out cold, convulsing on the floor like a infantile retard."

On Fans

To a question on whether he feels support from the common fan: "I don't feel love from them because there's no love. They don't know me as an individual; they know me for what I actually do. Because they pay to see me smash anybody. If they're white they pay, [it's] because the only thing they have respect for is my ability as an athlete. But if I was in court and I had to use them to testify against me on my character, they wouldn't testify positively against me and they would think I'm a cad..."

"There are nine million people who see me in the ring and hate my guts. Most of them are white. That's okay. Just spell my name right."

"I think the average person thinks I'm a f**king nut and I deserve whatever happens to me. That's what I believe."

"When you see me smash somebody's skull, you enjoy it."

On His Time in Prison

"You have to understand, Frank Bruno would not have been champion if I had not been in prison. Oliver McCall would not have been champion if I had not been in prison. A lot of these guys would not have been champion. Michael Moorer would not have been champion. Those guys would not have been champion if I had been around. They would have had no legacy. None of those guys would have had a legacy."

"I would have been in shape. I would have been active. Holyfield, those guys wouldn't have been champion when I was around, but I went away for four or five years inactive and that made them competitive for a time."

"But you really have to look at the science of the situation. You guys come here to talk and report but you don't actually look at the facts of what this business is all about. The best thing that happened to those guys and they should stand on their mother's shoulders and kiss my ass because I went to prison or they would not be existing right now. They'd be a flash in the pan and would have made some money and opened up a restaurant or bar somewhere where they live at."

On Boxing

"I try to catch him right on the tip of the nose, because I try to push the bone into the brain."

"Everyone in boxing probably makes out well except for the fighter. He's the only one that's on Skid Row most of the time; he's the only one that everybody just leaves when he loses his mind. He sometimes goes insane, he sometimes goes on the bottle, because it's a highly intensive pressure sport that allows people to just lose it [their self-control]."

"How dare these boxers challenge me with their primitive skills? It makes me angry. They're just as good as dead."

"My power is discombobulatingly devastating I could feel is muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm."

Tyson: "It's interesting that you put me in the league with those illustrious fighters [Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson], but I've proved since my career I've surpassed them as far my popularity. I'm the biggest fighter in the history of the sport. If you don't believe it, check the cash register."

"Without discipline, no matter how good you are, you are nothing! One day, and I might not be around; you're going to meet a tough guy who takes your best shot. He'll keep coming because he's tough. Don't get discouraged. That's when the discipline comes in."

"I just want them to keep bringing guys on and I'm going to strip them of their health. I bring pain, a lot of pain."

On His Family

"No one gives a f**k about me. No one cares if my children starve, if they're on welfare. I have to support my children. I need more money."

Mike, on his mother who died in 1982: "I never saw my mother happy with me and proud of me for doing something: She only knew me as being a wild kid running the streets, coming home with new clothes that she knew I didn't pay for. I never got a chance to talk to her or know about her. Professionally, it has no effect, but it's crushing emotionally and personally."

On the Media

“I want to throw down your kid and stomp on his testicles, and then you will know what it is like to experience waking up everyday as me. And only then will you feel my pain.”

[To a female reporter] "It's no doubt I am going to win this fight and I feel confident about winning this fight. I normally don't do interviews with women unless I fornicate with them. So you shouldn't talk anymore... Unless you want to, you know."

"People [are] going to say what they say. It has to be for a reason. It's just for a reason. I know sometimes I say things; I offend people. I ask this lady a lewd question because I'm in a lot of pain too. I have some pain I'm gonna have for the rest of my life. And Lewis, I'm trying to give some of that pain to ya'll."

"You gentlemen have no idea what it's like to be myself, no idea what it's like. I'm not interested in being humiliated anymore."

"Sometimes you guys have no pride, so no matter what I say, you guys ... it doesn't affect you because you don't care about nothing but money. So every now and then I kick your f**king ass and stomp on you and put some kind of pain and inflict some of the pain on you because you deserve to feel the pain that I feel."

"If I take this camera and put it in your face for 20 years, I don't know what you might be. You might be a homosexual if I put that camera on you since you were 13 years old. I've been on that camera since I was 13 years old."

On Religion

"All praise is to Allah, I'll fight any man, any animal, if Jesus were here I'd fight him too."

"I feel like sometimes that I was born, that I'm not meant for this society because everyone here is a f**king hypocrite. Everybody says they believe in God but they don't do God's work. Everybody counteracts what God is really about. If Jesus was here, do you think Jesus would show me any love? Do you think Jesus would love me? I'm a Muslim, but do you think Jesus would love me ... I think Jesus would have a drink with me and discuss ... why you acting like that? Now, he would be cool. He would talk to me. No Christian ever did that and said in the name of Jesus even ... They'd throw me in jail and write bad articles about me and then go to church on Sunday and say Jesus is a wonderful man and he's coming back to save us. But they don't understand that when he comes back, that these crazy greedy capitalistic men are gonna kill him again."

Stacey McKinley: "He sees a guy beggin' in the street and he gives him a hundred dollars. I'll say, 'Man, y'know the guy's just gonna spend it on crack!' But he says, 'I leave it to Allah to judge him.'"

"I'm a man. I lived it and I'm not afraid to die but when I die I'm going to paradise and I'm not worried."

On Himself

"The one thing I know, everyone respects the true person and everyone's not true with themselves. All of these people who are heroes, these guys who have been lily white and clean all their lives, if they went through what I went through, they would commit suicide. They don't have the heart that I have. I've lived places they can't defecate in."

"I'm not Mother Teresa. But I'm also not Charles Manson!"

"Fear is your best friend or your worst enemy. It's like fire. If you can control it, it can cook for you; it can heat your house. If you can't control it, it will burn everything around you and destroy you. If you can control your fear, it makes you more alert, like a deer coming across the lawn."

"I'm just like you. I enjoy the forbidden fruits in life, too. I think it's un-American not to go out with a woman, not to be with a beautiful woman, not to get my dick sucked ... It's just what I said before, everybody in this country is a big f**king liar. [The media] tells people ... that this person did this and this person did that and then we find out that were just human and we find out that Michael Jordan cheats on his wife just like everybody else and that we all cheat on our f**king wife in one way or another either emotionally, physically or sexually or one way."

"There's no one perfect. We're always gonna do that. Jimmy Swaggart is lascivious, Mike Tyson is lascivious -- but we're not criminally, at least I'm not, criminally lascivious. You know what I mean. I may like to fornicate more than other people -- it's just who I am. I sacrifice so much of my life, can I at least get laid? I mean, I been robbed of my most of my money, can I at least get [oral sex] without the people wanting to harass me and wanting to throw me in jail?"

"At times, I come across as crude or crass, that irritates you when I come across like a Neanderthal or a babbling idiot at times. But I like to be that person. I like to show you all that person because that's who you come to see."

"I'm the most irresponsible person in the world. The reason I'm like that is because, at 21, you all gave me $50 or $100 million, and I didn't know what to do. I'm from the ghetto. I don't know how to act. One day I'm in a dope house robbing somebody. The next thing I know, 'You're the heavyweight champion of the world.' ... Who am I? What am I? I don't even know who I am. I'm just a dumb child. I'm being abused. I'm being robbed by lawyers. I think I have more money than I do. I'm just a dumb pugnacious fool. I'm just a fool who thinks I'm someone. And you tell me I should be responsible?"

On His Mental Health

"I don't know if I'm mentally sick, but I have... episodes sometimes. I'm a depressant kind of dude. I have episodes, and I'm human. But no one cares about my health as a human because sometimes I'm in my episodes when I'm at work."

"Well, [contemplating suicide] goes through everyone's mind, I'm sure. And if it doesn't I really must be crazy. Everyone thinks about that because sometimes, you know what I mean, it's just tough being a ni**er and it's tough being a bad ni**er."

I don't react to a tragic happening any more. I took so many bad things as a kid and some people think I don't care about anything. It's just too hard for me to get emotional. I can't cry no more."

"I'm on the Zoloft [an antidepressant] to keep from killing y'all."

On America

"I'm just a dark guy from a den of iniquity. A dark shadowy figure from the bowels of iniquity. I wish I could be Mike who gets an endorsement deal. But you can't make a lie and a truth go together. This country wasn't built on moral fiber. This country was built on rape, slavery, murder, degradation and affiliation with crime."

Miscellaneous Quotes

"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage."

"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian."

"I like the British bikes. I like British people. They're real mellow."

"I can sell out Madison Square Garden masturbating."

"I have some pain I'm gonna have for the rest of my life. So every now and then I kick your f**king ass."

"I just want to conquer people and their souls."
 
"My power is discombobulatingly devastating I could feel is muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm."


As if THAT'S not still funny in the new millenium!
 
He's making yet another comeback.
 
If the Soviet Block/Eastern European fighters were aloud to fight Tyson in the 80's and 90's they would of smashed Tyson. Just like they're smashing the competition today.
 
he's washed up and has nothing on any of todays boxers. he couldn't even win against holyfeild, what makes you think he's going to comeback? he was good in his prime but it's all over for him now, taking limo rides everywhere and putting himself $250,000 in dept alone just from limo rides. loser.
 
ragnar06 said:
If the Soviet Block/Eastern European fighters were aloud to fight Tyson in the 80's and 90's they would of smashed Tyson. Just like they're smashing the competition today.
Are you an anarchist?
 
keep hearing this but where's the proof. i also heard he failed a drug test for prop, winny, cheeque drops and halo when he bit holyfield. i never heard that at the time though...
 
hanibal said:
keep hearing this but where's the proof. i also heard he failed a drug test for prop, winny, cheeque drops and halo when he bit holyfield. i never heard that at the time though...
Internet rumors=BS
 
Id still love to see him in the UFC. He could smash some faces in with those tiny gloves. Has no ground game but all he needs is 1 shot.
 
KD1 said:
Id still love to see him in the UFC. He could smash some faces in with those tiny gloves. Has no ground game but all he needs is 1 shot.

See Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki. Anyone with a brain will use a similar tactic to avoid Tyson's fearsome strikes.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
See Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki. Anyone with a brain will use a similar tactic to avoid Tyson's fearsome strikes.

Gimeme a break - so you could take on Tyson and beat him in this mannor? What a joke, he would crush you and likely the bottom half of the MMA rankings. Only somebody with skill and world class ability would be able to "handle" Tyson with ease in a MMA bout.
 
i think tyson now would get eaten alive in the ufc. if he fought around 200 there's alot of well rounded bad ass mofo's. if he went heavyweight there are also alot of big strong fast guys. he was bad, still is my favorite boxer, but his day is over. i can't help but feeling sorry for him.
 
KD1 said:
Gimeme a break - so you could take on Tyson and beat him in this mannor? What a joke, he would crush you and likely the bottom half of the MMA rankings. Only somebody with skill and world class ability would be able to "handle" Tyson with ease in a MMA bout.

When did I say I could take Mike Tyson? Someone stated that he thought Mike would fare well in the UFC, hence Mike would be fighting professional MMA fighters, hence people with world class ability. I also never said they would handle him with ease. I stated someone would use Antonio Inoki's tactic rather than stand and bang with a knockout artist. Your reading comprehension is the 'joke'.
 
he was an F'ing badass in his day!!!

i would love to see him in UFC. shit i would pay to see that
 
I have respect for Tyson like I have respect for Alexander Karelin.

Two physical specimens who dominated in their prime.

They both competed beautifully. Tyson, however, also had mental illness to contend with.

Props to them both.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
When did I say I could take Mike Tyson? Someone stated that he thought Mike would fare well in the UFC, hence Mike would be fighting professional MMA fighters, hence people with world class ability. I also never said they would handle him with ease. I stated someone would use Antonio Inoki's tactic rather than stand and bang with a knockout artist. Your reading comprehension is the 'joke'.

You said anyone with a brain could use that tactic. I guess you dont consider yourself to have a brain, my mistake, its pretty obvious now.
 
ragnar06 said:
If the Soviet Block/Eastern European fighters were aloud to fight Tyson in the 80's and 90's they would of smashed Tyson. Just like they're smashing the competition today.


Dumb ass comment. Im also sure they woulda danced with Ali.
 
KD1 said:
You said anyone with a brain could use that tactic. I guess you dont consider yourself to have a brain, my mistake, its pretty obvious now.

I would never fight Mike Tyson hence I would never need that tactic. When are you going to fight Tyson and use that tactic? Using your twisted logic, you are as brainless as I and still have kindergarten level reading comprehension to boot. You are correct in saying the mistake is yours though.
 
Besides, my style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I bring pain, a lot of pain. When you see me smash Mike Tyson's skull, you enjoy it. Now stop reading this unless... you want to, you know, fornicate with me.
 
I doubt he was on gear, but more mentally unstable. When you are nuts, things such as pain and quiting can be overlooked.
 
I posted my reasoning on the MA board awhile back on while I feel that Tyson coulda easily gone down in history as the best fighter to ever live if he would've kept his head on straight.

Another thing that has always made me wonder is to think about the genetic potential the guy's body had. Look at him in the old clips when he's only 15-17 years old. He looks damn near the same he did in his early 20's. He weighed 185lbs when he was 15!! His diet wasn't probably anything that great. His training involved lots of distance running and probably minimal, basic, weightlifting. And rather or not he did gear later in his career (which I seriously doubt he's ever done), I doubt few would suggest he was touching the stuff early in his career, and in spite all of that.... he still looked like an amateur bodybuilder. Now imagine if he had started lifting when he was 16 years old. Had learned about proper nutrition and eating to be a BB. Had learned everything he could about training to be a BB and put it all to work. Then if he had started doing cycles along with that. It's frustrating to even think about the possibilities. He could've probably contended for the Mr.O eventually. I mean, look at his body in one of his early fights and think about that foundation and think about it after a few years of perfect dieting, training and AAS usage. I'd love to know what his strength numbers were back in his early years. I'm sure they were ridiculous even though he probably never lifted heavy, ate right, nor did AAS. Hell, it wouldn't suprise me if he had the potential to be a world-class powerlifter.

In my opinion, one of the most physically gifted human beings the world has ever seen... and he has nothing to show for it other than a few videos from the first 4 years of his career being played on ESPN classic, and a bunch of soundbytes and quotes to cause people to laugh and shake their heads at him over and over. Even though we never saw what his real prime would've been like, he still generated more money than damn near any athlete ever. To show for that he's bankrupt and now forced to make a public circus of himself in an attempt to just muster up enough money so that his children might have a little something put back for them when he dies. He could've literally retired a billionaire, and instead he's so broke that he can't retire. Sad. Pisses me off even thinking about it......
 
if tyson had his head together he would have no doubt been best ever, even still he was close.
- as far as him not being on anything, i don't buy it. he had to have been. he sure looked it as well as acted like he was on alot of something. i know he is/was mental but...
 
me too. my mother who is the whitest, most paranoid, good hearted, pleasant lady, loves him even. 50 cent too. don't ask. where i came from i don't know. i really trully do feel sorry for tyson even though if i met him and he sensed that he would probably stomp my nuts or throw me across a table or something. i still like him though. we just have to accept that the baddest boxer we grew up with is old and washed up and his day is long gone and only god knows his future. i wouldn't be surprised in the least if he, god forbid, commits suicide. he's broke as a joke, had the world by the balls, and has mental problems.
 
firstly, great vids.

Secondly, Tyson was an asshole and Im glad he is broke now.


Thirdly, Fedor would beat his ass.


Fourthly, they would both beat my ass.


Fifthly, I am drunk.
 
Guvna said:
firstly, great vids.

Secondly, Tyson was an asshole and Im glad he is broke now.


Thirdly, Fedor would beat his ass.


Fourthly, they would both beat my ass.


Fifthly, I am drunk.

Firstly, I think Tyson is a excellent entertainer. He knows how to play the villain role. People who don't know a thing about boxing know who he is because he transcended his sport. If you ask the same people what they think about Floyd Mayweather, they will probably stare at you quizically. You never hear about Tyson treating his fans like shit and in fact the opposite seems true.

Secondly, I bet both Mike Tyson and Fedor could beat you in a drinking contest.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I would never fight Mike Tyson hence I would never need that tactic. When are you going to fight Tyson and use that tactic? Using your twisted logic, you are as brainless as I and still have kindergarten level reading comprehension to boot. You are correct in saying the mistake is yours though.

You were the one that claimed anyone with a brain could beat Tyson, not I. It was your claim and I was clearly dissagreeing with you.

Ive noticed when people lose an arguement, they try to make up a new one to win. Like in your case putting words into my mouth, or challenging me to back up your claim! Crazy stuff! Just admit that you were wrong already! LOL!
 
Guvna said:
firstly, great vids.

Secondly, Tyson was an asshole and Im glad he is broke now.

Thirdly, Fedor would beat his ass.

Fourthly, they would both beat my ass.

Fifthly, I am drunk.
Most excellent points, each one.

I feel sorry for him because I think he was really great at what he did as a boxer. When I see a bull that is bred to fight, I want to see a mean bull. I don't want to see a prizefighter at the top of their game any less mean. Tyson's life, his background, his youth and overwhelming success - the nature of the job, how good he was at it.

Is everyboody who's chiming in on Tyson in this thread old enough to remember watching Tyson in his day??

___Wiki__________________________________________
Rise to stardom

Mike Tyson on the cover of Time Magazine in 1988.Mike Tyson made his professional debut on March 6, 1985, in Albany, New York, a match which he won by a first round knockout. He fought frequently in his first two years as a professional, staying undefeated and winning all of his fights by knockout, usually in the first round. His quality of opposition gradually increased to journeyman fighters and borderline contenders, and his win streak attracted much media attention, leading to his being billed as the next great heavyweight champion[citation needed].

Tyson's first nationally televised bout took place on February 16, 1986 at the RPI Fieldhouse in Troy, NY against journeyman heavyweight Jesse Ferguson. Tyson knocked down Ferguson with an uppercut in the fifth round that reportedly broke Ferguson's nose[citation needed]. During the sixth round, Ferguson began to hold and clinch Tyson in an apparent attempt to prolong the fight. After admonishing Ferguson several times to obey his commands to break the clinches and box, the referee eventually stopped the fight near the middle of the sixth round and Tyson was declared the winner by TKO.

On November 22, 1986, Tyson was given his first title shot, fighting Trevor Berbick for the WBC heavyweight title. Tyson won the title by second round knockout, and at the age of 20 years and 4 months became the youngest heavyweight champion ever.

Tyson aged 20 was around 222lbs (101kg), having approximently 5.5 percent body fat, and stocky for his height 5'11" (1.75 m). He had an outstanding physique, even though he allegedly never used weights. Feared for his brute strength, many fighters were too scared to hit him and this was backed up by his incredible hand-speed, accuracy, co-ordination, very powerful hits and timing and was a force to be reckoned with. Perhaps what was most underlooked was Tyson's defensive abilities. Holding his hands high in the peek-a-boo style taught by his mentor Cus D'Amato, he would slip and weave out of the way of the opponent's punches while closing the distance to deliver his own devastating attacks.

Expectations for the young champion were extremely high, and he embarked on an ambitious campaign to fight all the top heavyweights in the world. In 1987, Tyson defended his title against James 'Bonecrusher' Smith on March 7 in Las Vegas, Nevada. He won by unanimous decision and added Smith's WBA title to his existing belt. 'Tyson mania' in the media was becoming rampant. He beat Pinklon Thomas in May with a knockout in the sixth round. On August 13 he took the IBF title from Tony Tucker, winning by unanimous decision to become "undisputed heavyweight champion of the world". His only other fight in 1987 was in October against the 1984 Olympic champion Tyrell Biggs, a great performance from Tyson which ended with a victory by knockout in the seventh round.

Tyson had three fights in 1988. He faced an aged but still game Larry Holmes on January 22, and defeated the legendary former champion by fourth round knockout. He fought contender Tony Tubbs in Tokyo in March, fitting in an easy two round victory amid promotional and marketing work.

On June 27, 1988, Tyson met lineal heavyweight champion Michael Spinks. Spinks, who had taken the heavyweight championship away from Larry Holmes via fifteen round decision in 1985, had never lost his title in the ring. The IBF title which he had won from Holmes had been stripped from him, but many (including Ring magazine) considered him to have a legitimate claim to being the true heavyweight champion. Tyson cleared up all confusion by brutally knocking him out at 1:31 of the first round. This fight is often regarded as the climax of Tyson's career.

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So at age 20 he was 5'11 222lbs with 5.5% bf without ever lifting.... amazing. He coulda definitely been a top notch BB if that had been the sport he'd picked and had been trained for. Of course the money he could make in boxing would make picking BB over it possibly the dumbest thing he'd ever done (and that's saying alot when talking about Tyson).

And for all the comments about how crazy and mean he was, I find it interesting to look at how nice and calm he was early in his career when he was on the road to greatness. I was watching the sportscentury thing on him the other day on ESPN classic and they pointed out that early in his career Tyson was a beloved public figure. I think we forget about that sometimes. Watch in his early fights when he's coming up through the rankings how much respect he gives all of his opponents. He would rush over to help them up after they were counted out. If one of them didn't get up for a moment after the fight was over, he would avoid his own trainers and media people while standing over the fallen fighter and doctors making sure they were ok. He was confident, yet humble in all of his interviews.

If Mike woulda stayed on the path that woulda led him to greatness, then that would've also involved him staying a "good guy". Anger and meanness were never part of his natural demeanor. That all came after he lost all of the people in his life who were keeping him straight and got involved with men like Don King and others who knew their profits would come by turning him into an animal and trying to create the illusion that he was some kind of caged beast who was let out once every couple months to destroy a man on PPV before being lead back to his cage where he would be fed raw steaks and spar with tigers until his next showing. Pretty ridiculous. He talks some about all the crazy shit Don King used to tell him on his beyond the glory interview. Pretty much had him believing that the world was against him, that it hated him and that he had to hate it back even more if he was ever gonna make it.
 
JumpBallWinner said:
So at age 20 he was 5'11 222lbs with 5.5% bf without ever lifting.... amazing. He coulda definitely been a top notch BB if that had been the sport he'd picked and had been trained for.
He was put together morel ike a bull than a bb.
 
KD1 said:
You were the one that claimed anyone with a brain could beat Tyson, not I. It was your claim and I was clearly dissagreeing with you.

Ive noticed when people lose an arguement, they try to make up a new one to win. Like in your case putting words into my mouth, or challenging me to back up your claim! Crazy stuff! Just admit that you were wrong already! LOL!

I'm wrong. I claimed I could kick Mike Tyson's ass. You can quote that in my original post about Antonio Inoki fighting Muhammad Ali. Now I understand that I cannot. I tried to divert the argument away from the original by launching personal attacks on you and distorting what was said.
 
Tyson is the greatest ever, youngest champ ever and 90% of his knock outs were in the first 2 rounds, also he's the bomb cuz him and 2pac were boyz
 
On a side note, has anyone seen Edwin Valero fight? He's 20-0, 20 by KO. I think all of his KO's came in the 1st or 2nd round until the last one which came in the 8th.
 
instant.muscle said:
all 20 wins r from knockout? damn

Yeah. He can't fight in the US though, because doctors here will not medically clear him.
 
medical said:
No he was not. Not even in the top 10. The first time he fought someone he couldn't knock out with one punch he lost.....and lost every time. Any decent fighter could kill Tyson: there just weren't any decent fighters when he was in his 20's.
lmao r yall listening 2 this guy? i'm a decent fighter and tyson would rock my socks, so yeah anyguy he couldnt knock out with one punch he lost, hmmmm lets c thats just about anyone, but yeah thats just tyson's gift, the hardest hitter ever, shitty boxer though, not close to the top 10, jeez my top 3 is

tyson
ali
rocky marciano
 
medical said:
No he was not. Not even in the top 10. The first time he fought someone he couldn't knock out with one punch he lost.....and lost every time. Any decent fighter could kill Tyson: there just weren't any decent fighters when he was in his 20's.
dude shut the fuck up. u obviously know shit about boxing and tyson. like i said shut your hole and go to bed. do a search on youtube for his amateur fights and u will see him knockin bitches out like u in seconds w/ no effort! :chomp:
 
hanibal said:
dude shut the fuck up. u obviously know shit about boxing and tyson. like i said shut your hole and go to bed. do a search on youtube for his amateur fights and u will see him knockin bitches out like u in seconds w/ no effort! :chomp:
I was an adult fight fan when Tyson was champ.......you got it right: he was knocking out bitches. Any real fighter would (and did!) clean his clock. The Legend of Iron Mike Tyson.......one of the great myths of the 20th century!
 
medical said:
No he was not. Not even in the top 10. The first time he fought someone he couldn't knock out with one punch he lost.....and lost every time. Any decent fighter could kill Tyson: there just weren't any decent fighters when he was in his 20's.
If you want to make to point that he was npt a great technical box, I can follow that - but he wasn't a chump. In his heyday he was great.
 
medical said:
I was an adult fight fan when Tyson was champ.......you got it right: he was knocking out bitches. Any real fighter would (and did!) clean his clock. The Legend of Iron Mike Tyson.......one of the great myths of the 20th century!
damn i'd like 2 c u go in the ring with these so called bitches
 
Tyson was a fast, hard hitting, accurate punching, boxer with an iron jaw. His impressive armor had it's flaws though: short reach, lack of stamina, and inability to fight from a clinch come to mind. He could clean anyones clock if they weren't on their A game, Michael Spinx, Larry Holmes, and many other quality boxers can attest to that.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Tyson was a fast, hard hitting, accurate punching, boxer with an iron jaw. His impressive armor had it's flaws though: short reach, lack of stamina, and inability to fight from a clinch come to mind. He could clean anyones clock if they weren't on their A game, Michael Spinx, Larry Holmes, and many other quality boxers can attest to that.
arms short yes, lack of stamina, i disagree, ive seen training videos, he'll run forever and do 100 situps easily with a 45 plata on his chest, not only a hard puncher, QUICK puncher, could knock u out with any punch, IRON JAW, he is the hardest hitter but dont let that make u think we couldn't quality box, it got overshadowed cuz he crushed everyone
 
You guys do also realize that a hard training and fairly active fighter probably reaches his prime in his late 20's. When watching Tysons first fights, you can see the rapid improvement from fight to fight. Then after Don King comes into the picture,Cus had died, and Kevin Rooney had been fired, you can see the technique slowly get more and more sloppy in reverse order. He stopped paying attention to defense. He stopped focusing as much on body work, and putting quality combinations together and became more of a head hunter. He bought the bullshit everyone was saying, fell into the "I'm the baddest man on the planet" slogan, and just told himself that if he went in there and swung as hard as he could at the guy's head over and over that eventually the fight would be over. This is not the fighter that Mike was originally trained to be. If the guy woulda continued to hone his skills and receive and accept the type of training and instruction he did from his teens, then by the age of 26, we would've seen a fighter who was twice as good as even the one we saw at age 21. It's almost unimaginable to think about what he woulda looked like in a true prime, but sadly, we never saw one, and therfore people who say the things about him not being a top 10 heavyweight, and list all of the "flaws" that they now see so clearly in hindsight can never be proven wrong. I know it's impossible, but if there was someway we could have Tyson in his true prime along with all the other fighters from all time in their's, then I'd put my soul on the line in a match between him and any of them. Nobody would come close to beating him.
 
JumpBallWinner said:
You guys do also realize that a hard training and fairly active fighter probably reaches his prime in his late 20's. When watching Tysons first fights, you can see the rapid improvement from fight to fight. Then after Don King comes into the picture,Cus had died, and Kevin Rooney had been fired, you can see the technique slowly get more and more sloppy in reverse order. He stopped paying attention to defense. He stopped focusing as much on body work, and putting quality combinations together and became more of a head hunter. He bought the bullshit everyone was saying, fell into the "I'm the baddest man on the planet" slogan, and just told himself that if he went in there and swung as hard as he could at the guy's head over and over that eventually the fight would be over. This is not the fighter that Mike was originally trained to be. If the guy woulda continued to hone his skills and receive and accept the type of training and instruction he did from his teens, then by the age of 26, we would've seen a fighter who was twice as good as even the one we saw at age 21. It's almost unimaginable to think about what he woulda looked like in a true prime, but sadly, we never saw one, and therfore people who say the things about him not being a top 10 heavyweight, and list all of the "flaws" that they now see so clearly in hindsight can never be proven wrong. I know it's impossible, but if there was someway we could have Tyson in his true prime along with all the other fighters from all time in their's, then I'd put my soul on the line in a match between him and any of them. Nobody would come close to beating him.

You slam the retrospect method of analyzing flaws and promote creating some hypothetical heavyweight tournament where all enviornmental factors are optimized for Tyson then dub him the greatest? I don't see that as a more accurate assessment of ability. Of course you can only analyze someone's flaws in hindsight. You have to see the guy fight before you can analyze his strengths and weaknesses. It's no less accurate than peering into a parallel universe where Tyson has every advantage. Certainly we hindsight analysts can be proven wrong if you want to try. Just watch his fights and find situations where our analysis does not hold true.

All great boxers throughout history fought through adversity both in and out of the ring. You're admitting Tyson failed to maximize his potential against adversity. That's why many consider him just outside the perimeter of greatness.
 
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Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
You slam the retrospect method of analyzing flaws and promote creating some hypothetical heavyweight tournament where all enviornmental factors are optimized for Tyson then dub him the greatest? I don't see that as a more accurate assessment of ability. Of course you can only analyze someone's flaws in hindsight. You have to see the guy fight before you can analyze his strengths and weaknesses. It's no less accurate than peering into a parallel universe where Tyson has every advantage. Certainly we hindsight analysts can be proven wrong if you want to try. Just watch his fights and find situations where our analysis does not hold true.

All great boxers throughout history fought through adversity both in and out of the ring. You're admitting Tyson failed to maximize his potential against adversity. That's why many consider him just outside the perimeter of greatness.
tyson in his prime would woop anyone, he should have never lost a fight ever, don king fucked up tyon's career
 
instant.muscle said:
tyson in his prime would woop anyone, he should have never lost a fight ever, don king fucked up tyon's career
He would whip anyone who was fighting at the time, but not even close to all time! Watch some of the epic heavyweight battles of the 60's and 70's. Ali-Frazier, Frazier-Norton, Ali-Norton, Ali-Foreman...........fights where they beat the crap out of each other for 15 rounds! Half of those fights would have been stopped in the first round in the era Tyson fought in. And go back farther than that: Demsey, Marciano, Patterson, LOUIS!!!! Tyson was not even in the same league. Could he have been? Maybe, with the right training......but never mentally.
 
medical said:
He would whip anyone who was fighting at the time, but not even close to all time! Watch some of the epic heavyweight battles of the 60's and 70's. Ali-Frazier, Frazier-Norton, Ali-Norton, Ali-Foreman...........fights where they beat the crap out of each other for 15 rounds! Half of those fights would have been stopped in the first round in the era Tyson fought in. And go back farther than that: Demsey, Marciano, Patterson, LOUIS!!!! Tyson was not even in the same league. Could he have been? Maybe, with the right training......but never mentally.

I would put Tyson's ability near Dempsey's and I think Tyson would ruin Floyd Patterson.
 
I think it's funny how so many people are more or less ashamed at the fact that Tyson would return again, saying what's he doing, he's way past his prime, how emarassing and so on. No shit, you think he doesn't realize it?
Big deal, let him do what he wants. It's his life, not anyone elses.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I think it's funny how so many people are more or less ashamed at the fact that Tyson would return again, saying what's he doing, he's way past his prime, how emarassing and so on. No shit, you think he doesn't realize it?
Big deal, let him do what he wants. It's his life, not anyone elses.

No kidding. The guy has to eat. He publicly admitted it himself that he doesn't have it anymore.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
You slam the retrospect method of analyzing flaws and promote creating some hypothetical heavyweight tournament where all enviornmental factors are optimized for Tyson then dub him the greatest? I don't see that as a more accurate assessment of ability. Of course you can only analyze someone's flaws in hindsight. You have to see the guy fight before you can analyze his strengths and weaknesses. It's no less accurate than peering into a parallel universe where Tyson has every advantage. Certainly we hindsight analysts can be proven wrong if you want to try. Just watch his fights and find situations where our analysis does not hold true.

All great boxers throughout history fought through adversity both in and out of the ring. You're admitting Tyson failed to maximize his potential against adversity. That's why many consider him just outside the perimeter of greatness.


I don't slam anything. I just think that the people who think they see alot of flaws in his game now are either going by his fights after his technique had gone to crap (and that's most of his fights). I don't think you only analyze someone's flaws in hindsight. I think that alot of guys getting ready to fight him were probably coming up with all of these great ways to beat him also, until they got in the ring with him. My main problem with people pointing out all this stuff now is that it's alot easier said than done. He was facing professionals, with professional trainers. How come out of all of them, none of them were able to figure it out how easily he could be beatin as everyone seems to be able to do now? Because it's easy to sit and watch someone and say "oh, someone could just do that, or find a way to do that, look, he's not even that good at that" and on and on and on..... but it's not as easy to be standing in front of him and put all of those theories to test and come out victorious.

And my fantasy tournament is just another way of me saying that I think that Tyson in his prime could beat any other fighter in their prime. I respect anyone's opinion if they give solid reasons to why they believe another fighter could beat him. Alot of people say Ali would've beatin him. I don't think Ali would've lasted three rounds with him, but at the same time, alot of people didn't think Ali was gonna last three rounds with George Foreman and he proved them all wrong. So while I can list all of the reasons that I think Tyson would dominate him, someone can reasonably say that Ali deserves the benifit of the doubt simply for what he did to Foreman. The case can never be proven either way because we can't line them up across from each other in their primes and let them fight. That's why I said I wish we could, and that I'd bet it all on Tyson if we could.

As far as Tyson's failure to ever achieve a fraction of what he was capable of. I do blame him for that. He's stupid when it comes to controlling his life and making the right choices. Don't confuse me saying what I think he could've been with me saying that's how he should be looked at. I don't give him credit for anything he didn't do. But I believe without question that he coulda been hands down the greatest ever. Was he? No. He didn't earn it. It's just one of those things that frustrates the hell out of you when you see so much potential getting wasted.
 
medical said:
He would whip anyone who was fighting at the time, but not even close to all time! Watch some of the epic heavyweight battles of the 60's and 70's. Ali-Frazier, Frazier-Norton, Ali-Norton, Ali-Foreman...........fights where they beat the crap out of each other for 15 rounds! Half of those fights would have been stopped in the first round in the era Tyson fought in. And go back farther than that: Demsey, Marciano, Patterson, LOUIS!!!! Tyson was not even in the same league. Could he have been? Maybe, with the right training......but never mentally.

People always point to these great fights (and yes, they were great and I love watching them) when trying to dismiss Tyson. I don't get it. These fights proved that there were others with ability so comparable to their opponents that neither could really dominate the other. What if someone is so dominate that nobody can give them a battle? Does that mean that Frazier was better than them because him and Ali were so closly matched that they slugged it out going back and fourth for 15 rounds a few times? What if Tyson would've instead fought in their era. And let's just say for the sake of argument here that he looked the same way against all of the aboved mentioned fighters that he did against Briggs, Holmes, and Spinks. Then you know what people would say? They would say that he didn't have any competition and to look back at the great fights Joe Louis, Marcianao, and Dempsy all fought in their times.

What I'm saying is that it's possible to be so dominate that it makes it look like you have no competition. Why does a fighter's ability have to be low enough that someone else can come close to it and give them "a war" in order for them to be deserving of respect amoungst the all timers? Is it not possible to be so good that nobody can give you a great fight, regardless of how good they are when it comes to all other fighters?

The only way to prove me theory of course would be to have Fraizer, Ali, Norton, Foreman, Dempsy, Marciano, Louis, Tyson, Lewis all in their primes at the same time and let them all fight to prove who was the best, and if any of them were in fact just benifiting from destroying weak competition. And unfortunately, that'll never be possible.
 
He punches like me in that workout video.
 
rykertest said:
I doubt he was on gear, but more mentally unstable. When you are nuts, things such as pain and quiting can be overlooked.


Dude all fighters are on gear, the crazy amount of cardio and calories burned, you're not going to get that big and shredded without some help.

I cant remember what the process is called..but basicly you burn off unneed fat AND unneeded muscle.
 
JumpBallWinner said:
People always point to these great fights (and yes, they were great and I love watching them) when trying to dismiss Tyson. I don't get it. These fights proved that there were others with ability so comparable to their opponents that neither could really dominate the other. What if someone is so dominate that nobody can give them a battle? Does that mean that Frazier was better than them because him and Ali were so closly matched that they slugged it out going back and fourth for 15 rounds a few times? What if Tyson would've instead fought in their era. And let's just say for the sake of argument here that he looked the same way against all of the aboved mentioned fighters that he did against Briggs, Holmes, and Spinks. Then you know what people would say? They would say that he didn't have any competition and to look back at the great fights Joe Louis, Marcianao, and Dempsy all fought in their times.

What I'm saying is that it's possible to be so dominate that it makes it look like you have no competition. Why does a fighter's ability have to be low enough that someone else can come close to it and give them "a war" in order for them to be deserving of respect amoungst the all timers? Is it not possible to be so good that nobody can give you a great fight, regardless of how good they are when it comes to all other fighters?

The only way to prove me theory of course would be to have Fraizer, Ali, Norton, Foreman, Dempsy, Marciano, Louis, Tyson, Lewis all in their primes at the same time and let them all fight to prove who was the best, and if any of them were in fact just benifiting from destroying weak competition. And unfortunately, that'll never be possible.
I tend to agree with this guy. I've never seen someone who could knock out opposing fighters with a punch into a block, not even direct. he was hitting so hard and with so much force he didn't even have to make direct hits and people were flying across the ring like fuckin' cartoon characters.
 
I fucking loved Tyson in his prime, best boxer ever in my opinion.
 
bran987 said:
I tend to agree with this guy. I've never seen someone who could knock out opposing fighters with a punch into a block, not even direct. he was hitting so hard and with so much force he didn't even have to make direct hits and people were flying across the ring like fuckin' cartoon characters.

That's more an issue of the person he hits being off balance with bad footwork.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
That's more an issue of the person he hits being off balance with bad footwork.
all of them? :lmao: and why were they off balance? dropped on their heads as kids?
 
bran987 said:
all of them? :lmao: and why were they off balance? dropped on their heads as kids?

Which opponents did he do this to in particular? I have to look at the fights if you want the accurate count of bad footwork vs. deathtouch. Generally if a fighter goes down stumbling after blocking a punch it is caused by bad footwork. Yes, it could be all of them, and no they do not need to be dropped on their heads as kids to be off balance. One of the purposes of proper footwork is to keep you always in balance.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Which opponents did he do this to in particular? I have to look at the fights if you want the accurate count of bad footwork vs. deathtouch. Generally if a fighter goes down stumbling after blocking a punch it is caused by bad footwork. Yes, it could be all of them, and no they do not need to be dropped on their heads as kids to be off balance. One of the purposes of proper footwork is to keep you always in balance.

I hear what you're saying, and have seen it happen of course. When Trinidad was a top fighter he used to get knocked down all the time due to this. So did Prince Haseem. But if the fighters were falling with Tyson due to bad footwork, then explain why the couldn't get up afterwards. The most impressive display of power I ever saw from Tyson, or any fighter probably for that matter was in one his early fights against that taller guy with the big afro. I can't think of his name right now, but when I have more time I'll get it and maybe someone can post a link to the actual knockout. They show it in slow motion on the beyond the glory show, and it's a fight that espn classic always shows when they are doing their old school Tyson runs. Basicall the guy stepped to the side of Tyson somewhat as Tyson was kind of sidestepping him. Tyson threw a looping sideways hook from the worst possible angle and set-up imaginable. I mean, I can't imagaine being able to generate any power from this position. I've tried to position my body and feet in the same manner just to see how much I can get on a punch from it and it's hardly anything. Anyways, the punch barely grazed the guy on top of that..... yet his feet come off the ground and his body flies violently into the ropes and he goes down unable to get up. I mean, you can see the momentum of his body hitting the ropes and then bouncing off of them. The announcers themselves arent' even sure when and where he got hit until they watch the replay from two or three different angles and then you can see that it was an akward, worthless looking punch that lifted a heavyweight fighter up off his feet and left him unable to continue. It's stuff like that which leaves me in total awe when watching the old Tyson fights.
 
Tyson was a trained killer. But he never faced the dudes from the Soviet Block/Eastern Europe. I know "what ifs" are BS. But you see what these former Soviet fighters are doing today.....Tearing up the Heavyweight divisions. It's to bad they weren't aloud to fight Tyson back in the 80's and early 90's. I don't think there ever would of been a Tyson. That's just my 2 cents.
 
Saying Mike Tyson wasn't a great boxer because he had no Fraizer to his Ali is like saying Michael Jordan isn't one of the greatest basketball players because he didn't have a Larry Bird or Magic Johnson.

Being so good that it looks like every other fighter looks l ike shit should say something.
 
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