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Nice People Can't Get Rich

Well I think if you switch nice for honest I would have to agree.

You don't make upwards of 50 million a year by being "honest" - someone has to get fucked for someone else to make stupid money (I don't mean profit - I mean sick money).

I do think you can make great money and live very well off and be both honest and nice.
 
reaper99 said:
no poor people can't get rich. give me a million and watch me flip it over and over. and i am nice.
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does that means you will lose it over and over in vegas?
 
I have a theory, you will be successful in one of three departments, you will be moderately successful in one department, and you will have continual problems in one department. The departments are, in no particular order:

Financial/Career Success

Family/Relationship Success

Health
 
musclemom said:
I have a theory, you will be successful in one of three departments, you will be moderately successful in one department, and you will have continual problems in one department. The departments are, in no particular order:

Financial/Career Success

Family/Relationship Success

Health
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Haha (= nice!
 
i just meant take something you love to do it....its crazy how some things can work out that you never expected.....
 
velvett said:
Well I think if you switch nice for honest I would have to agree.

You don't make upwards of 50 million a year by being "honest" - someone has to get fucked for someone else to make stupid money (I don't mean profit - I mean sick money).

I do think you can make great money and live very well off and be both honest and nice.
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i agree with this.
also, "rich" is extremely subjective... If a person feels they are rich because they have a 4 bedroom house in the neighborhood they love and a beautiful family and a spouse who loves them- are they not rich? and nice? at least to their family they are. does it really matter if the waitress at the dinner thinks he's an ass for not tipping well or if they honk at slow drivers?
 
reaper99 said:
nope. it means real estate and commodities.
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empirical studies have shown consistently that throughout recent history, 95% of commodity traders lose money in the long run. stick with real estate.
 
I think that is sucks when you play the lottery and dont win. I remember that there I believe was the powerball for huge winnings...Well out of all the people that bought tickets some one who already had plenty of money and was a politician won it..Talk about absolute bullshit
 
Angel said:
I think that is sucks when you play the lottery and dont win. I remember that there I believe was the powerball for huge winnings...Well out of all the people that bought tickets some one who already had plenty of money and was a politician won it..Talk about absolute bullshit
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About 5 years ago I missed $20 million by 1 number on the Powerball :worried:
 
reaper99 said:
nope. it means real estate and commodities.
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days of the quick flip are dead. 2004 is long over .
prob is getting the first million .You have to lie ,steal, cheat rob old ladies with equity shark scams take over house payments then do a subject to mortgage stealing all equity then flip it to a some one for a simple 5k or try and mark it up 50k depending on the equity.
Buying old wood frame houses ready to fall down with termite damge and stuccoing the outside then blowing isulation in the attic to get past a home inspection is stilll cheating some one.
thats how i got my best deals cover ups. buying houses that would never pass a home inspection and get finaced . Foundation cracks? stucco over it, rotting walls ? time for stucco. So the house is falling in and the floors are rotting get under with 12 ton car jacks and some blocks then ply wood over the floor all in a week ends work.

I know all about the quick flip did over 12 of them through out Tampa some remodels ,some contract flips and one I had was in such a bad location the buyer backed out when they found a dead body in the ditch down the street Thats why I decided to take a few years off working. I busted my ass for 3 years now i'll take 2 off.Besides you cant seem to find deals with 100k in equity anymore .

The whole time replacing roofs, kitchens ,bathrooms ,cleaning out over grown yards out house we live in kinda went to shit . So finally I get to remodel where we live then sell that when the 2 years is up move on and walk with a nice TAX free homestead exemption paycheck yea baby.

In certina markets money is still to be made in developments and rehabs but where i'm at its all pretty much peaked and actually prices are starting to fall a bit as houses have been sitting on the market for 6 months to a year people just want to get out.
 
musclemom said:
I have a theory, you will be successful in one of three departments, you will be moderately successful in one department, and you will have continual problems in one department. The departments are, in no particular order:

Financial/Career Success

Family/Relationship Success

Health
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Interesting theory (seriously... good idea), but not always true.

It is possible to have it all w/o messing-up one of those areas.

The vast majority of people who "have it all" stay pretty low-key though. There is a conventional wisdom out there that when everything is going your way you're supposed to just lay low.
 
velvett said:
Well I think if you switch nice for honest I would have to agree.

You don't make upwards of 50 million a year by being "honest" - someone has to get fucked for someone else to make stupid money (I don't mean profit - I mean sick money).

I do think you can make great money and live very well off and be both honest and nice.
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Not neccesarily true -- owners of large private businesses can make that kind of money w/o "screwing" anyone.
 
I could just be happy moving to brazil and making decent money. Then again, maybe I read too much Kerouac growing up...
 
You can be a hustler and do it yourself...and ya you might step on a few toes.

Or you can be a Doctor or a Lawyer. Then it is pure bank. :)

Matt
 
mrplunkey said:
Interesting theory (seriously... good idea), but not always true.

It is possible to have it all w/o messing-up one of those areas.

The vast majority of people who "have it all" stay pretty low-key though. There is a conventional wisdom out there that when everything is going your way you're supposed to just lay low.
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I have never met a person who has all three, excellent health (meaning, they've never battled their weight and have NO chronic/congenital problems or severe life threatening diseases), and truly happy family relationships, which includes a positive, supportive nuclear family, a happy marriage and normal, well adjusted children, AND are financially well off.

I would be very interested in meeting such an individual if they exist, but I won't kid you, I would be very surprised if they do.
 
velvett said:
Well I think if you switch nice for honest I would have to agree.

You don't make upwards of 50 million a year by being "honest" - someone has to get fucked for someone else to make stupid money (I don't mean profit - I mean sick money).

I do think you can make great money and live very well off and be both honest and nice.
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Youtube co-founders. Hundreds of millions in a year and a half. :jenscat
 
Yeah this thread topic is completely untrue but fun to talk about anyway. Being a firm/resolute/tough leader is totally different than not being nice. I'm related (not by blood just by family) to a fortune 500 CEO and he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet.

I would say you can't get rich if you are always worried about what other people everyone will think of your actions and decisions. I'd stand behind that.
 
I'm curious as to the origin of this question.

I mean, have you met only nasty wealthy people?

I've met many lovely people that had more than enough wealth and I've also met horribly shit piss poor excuses for human beings that had not two nickels to rub together.

Nice and Wealthy are not mutually exclusive.

(Notice that I purposely negated the use of the word "rich").
 
mrplunkey said:
Not neccesarily true -- owners of large private businesses can make that kind of money w/o "screwing" anyone.
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No but the people they hire to run their company do...
:rainbow:


..that's why they's still the owner of a larger thriving and grossly successful company.
 
musclemom said:
I have never met a person who has all three, excellent health (meaning, they've never battled their weight and have NO chronic/congenital problems or severe life threatening diseases), and truly happy family relationships, which includes a positive, supportive nuclear family, a happy marriage and normal, well adjusted children, AND are financially well off.

I would be very interested in meeting such an individual if they exist, but I won't kid you, I would be very surprised if they do.
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Ahhh... the restriction of "never" does eliminate that. I think you can definately have all three at any given time, but usually at least one of those falls into crisis at one point or another (sickness, divorce, financially rough times).

Instead of thinking of the three as mutually exclusive tumblers where only two can fall into place at a time, think of it more like a train. A train can only go as fast as its slowest car. Therefore, sometimes you have to tweak the financial area... then the interpersonal area... and maybe then it's the health area. And sometimes... when on car has been tweaked as much as you can... you have to just overhaul the entire thing even if it means a temporary setback (career change, divorce, time-off from weightlifting).

I personally favor a strategy where you balance-out the efforts. All too often someone focuses on one aspect of their lives (i.e. money) to the negleglect of another (i.e. health).
 
velvett said:
No but the people they hire to run their company do...
:rainbow:


..that's why they's still the owner of a larger thriving and grossly successful company.
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Again... not always.

You don't have to have scumbags running your company to be successful. Some industries are rougher than other too. There definately doesn't always have to be a bad guy.
 
the extremely rich people usually make it by selling things that people want to buy. This does not require screwing anyone.

Likewise a very talented entertainer can become very rich just by being good at it. This also does not require screwing anyone.

If someone is not successful it seems natural to say they just got screwed by the people that beat them, whether it's the business that out competed them or the other actor who got the part, but that does not mean they where taken advantage of.

Yes some rich people do screw people but there is not much reason to believe it is required.
 
mrplunkey said:
Ahhh... the restriction of "never" does eliminate that. I think you can definately have all three at any given time, but usually at least one of those falls into crisis at one point or another (sickness, divorce, financially rough times).

Instead of thinking of the three as mutually exclusive tumblers where only two can fall into place at a time, think of it more like a train. A train can only go as fast as its slowest car. Therefore, sometimes you have to tweak the financial area... then the interpersonal area... and maybe then it's the health area. And sometimes... when on car has been tweaked as much as you can... you have to just overhaul the entire thing even if it means a temporary setback (career change, divorce, time-off from weightlifting).

I personally favor a strategy where you balance-out the efforts. All too often someone focuses on one aspect of their lives (i.e. money) to the negleglect of another (i.e. health).
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Okay, my criteria is "general trend" and these factors may be utterly out of your control ... saying "forever/never," does make it tough, but I think you will find my original post to hold true, of the three major "forces" in a persons life, you will find they have one that comes to them in abundantly, with ease, one that is there but unremarkable, and one that is a perpetual struggle.

Okay, I'll use myself as an example:

I have loved, very well, and have been loved passionately. I have been desired and I am in a wonderful marriage with a man I like, love and respect and who feels the same about me.

I am not rich, but neither am I poor. I live basically paycheck to paycheck squirreling away a little as I can. I will never starve, but nor will I own a yacht or even tour the earth.

My health blows. I struggle with my weight and always have, I suffer from weird allergies, and will live with chronic daily pain until I die.

I am successful in relationships/neutral in finances/struggle with health.
 
Tiervexx said:
the extremely rich people usually make it by selling things that people want to buy. This does not require screwing anyone.

Likewise a very talented entertainer can become very rich just by being good at it. This also does not require screwing anyone.

If someone is not successful it seems natural to say they just got screwed by the people that beat them, whether it's the business that out competed them or the other actor who got the part, but that does not mean they where taken advantage of.

Yes some rich people do screw people but there is not much reason to believe it is required.
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The top of the wealthy food chain usually use whatever means are necessary to secure their position. I'm not talking about some schmuck with a few million in liquid or semi-liquid assets. My ex-boss was the nicest guy to work with you could imagine, he pulled 300k in salary a year and the having the cost of living in Toledo(His house alone was worth well over 500k). I'm talking about people with 10+ million in semi-liquid assets....At the top level of "the game" it's less about the wealth and more about "winning."

Look at Standard Oil;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil

Or Microsoft;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft
 
JavaGuru said:
The top of the wealthy food chain usually use whatever means are necessary to secure their position. I'm not talking about some schmuck with a few million in liquid or semi-liquid assets. My ex-boss was the nicest guy to work with you could imagine, he pulled 300k in salary a year and the having the cost of living in Toledo(His house alone was worth well over 500k). I'm talking about people with 10+ million in semi-liquid assets....At the top level of "the game" it's less about the wealth and more about "winning."

Look at Standard Oil;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil

Or Microsoft;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft
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A guy here in Knoxville who sold his busines to Warren Buffet's company for 600+M (guess that kinda identifies the guy...) told me once: "Money is just how you keep score."
 
jon79 said:
I believe do what you love to do and the money will come
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True enough, though sometime when you classified what you like to do in a " work" sense it can really either make you love it or hate it.
 
Hard-Bitten said:
True enough, though sometime when you classified what you like to do in a " work" sense it can really either make you love it or hate it.
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True so hopefully your work does not make you hate what you love to do...
 
jon79 said:
True so hopefully your work does not make you hate what you love to do...
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(= I do what I enjoy doing but later on.. I see myself doing something else.. :) who knows I like to have different on the side.
 
mrplunkey said:
A guy here in Knoxville who sold his busines to Warren Buffet's company for 600+M (guess that kinda identifies the guy...) told me once: "Money is just how you keep score."
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lol that's awesome.

didn't he buy Russell for $600?
 
i'm nice (at least I think so. there's always going to be someone who will refute that someone else is nice).
and i consider myself rich. to me, "rich" doesn't mean i own airplanes- it means lots of things.... it means I can afford nice dinners out when i want them. i can afford nice things for my kids, i can take a day (or 120) off to enjoy life. it means i can play with my dogs and watch tv and talk to my parents and invite some friends over, get a hug when i want one and have plenty to give.
 
stilleto said:
i'm nice (at least I think so. there's always going to be someone who will refute that someone else is nice).
and i consider myself rich. to me, "rich" doesn't mean i own airplanes- it means lots of things.... it means I can afford nice dinners out when i want them. i can afford nice things for my kids, i can take a day (or 120) off to enjoy life. it means i can play with my dogs and watch tv and talk to my parents and invite some friends over, get a hug when i want one and have plenty to give.
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(= oh of course.
But I mean RICH as in like RICH RICH.
 
bran987 said:
Yeah this thread topic is completely untrue but fun to talk about anyway. Being a firm/resolute/tough leader is totally different than not being nice. I'm related (not by blood just by family) to a fortune 500 CEO and he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet.

I would say you can't get rich if you are always worried about what other people everyone will think of your actions and decisions. I'd stand behind that.
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agrred.

I had a few meetings with Jon M. Huntsman when I was working in publishing and he was one of the nicest guys I have ever met.

All of his employees and everyone else says this as well.

He is a great guy, and wealthy beyond imagination.
 
PASSIVE < NICE

correct?
If you're passive you be taken advantage for your position.
Treat other nicely will get you far, but does it get you the position you want?

Sometime being nice at work could either break it or make it.
 
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