Nfl Quarterbacks

[madbomber31]

we are going to be discussing position by position players this week... starting with qb's... say anything and everything you want about any qb in the league... i shall start..

charlie batch (lions)- this guy is a bum, he has no touch whatsoever and if he wasnt surrounded by 3 very good wr's he would be out of the league... he takes way too many hits and some are his own doing, he holds the ball too long (yes, his line sucks)... he was lucky to have barry during his rookie year, that took some pressure off, but when barry retired batch had far too much pressure on him.... harbaugh will be getting at least 4 starts this year... if not taking over completely.

donovan mcnabb- he is rated so high in fantasy leagues its disgusting, the guy has a TON of pressure on him to deliver a championship in only his 2nd season as a starter... he single handedly took the team to the playoffs last year and is phenomenal... in order for the eagles to win big this year, its not up to him completely, its up to his surrounding cast and THEY have to be the ones to step up to his level... he is already at that next level...

peyton manning- born to be an nfl all pro... he is a pure leader, a pure passing machine... if the colts didnt have james this mofo would be throwing for 5k a year and not think twice about it... barring any career threatening injury he will end up being spoken of as one of the best ever... his touch, timing, accuracy, its all amazing.

drew bledsoe- last year, skywalker and i disagreed harshly on my saying that drew is "the next dan marino".. i say this meaning= he will have all the personal team records that can be had, but will not win the big game... he will be an all time leader in categories, like dan... but not have that "special" team help that is needed... if you compare his first 5 or 6 years in the nfl with marino, they are remarkably similar, tons of stats and a good deal of wins, but.... no championships and just a few good teams... drew will be good again this year, but he gets hit way too much.. the patriots figured that out and drafted to help protect him instead of giving him a stud like david terrell to throw to... they SHOULD have signed OL's and drafted terrell... but oh well... if glenn is NOT IN JAIL drew will have some numbers again... if somehow he gets a running game (james edwards gets in shape and makes it back somehow) he will do that much better..

YOUR TURN.

 

[KAYNE]

AARON BROOKS AND JEFF BLAKE=FECAL MATTER.

 

[FrankRizzo]

Will someone shoot Cordell Stewart for me? Talk about a flop. My Steelers need some young talent in there.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

kerry collins for the ny giants. WHY, WHY, WHYYYYYYYYYYYY??????

 

[big dog]

Kayne- You are a hater.

Peyton Manning - The best All-Around QB in the league. He has the skills, the smarts, and the Pedigree. He makes Marvin Harrison and James.

Kurt Warner- Good Qb, but very overrated. Anybody would have a carreer year if they threw to Bruce, Holt, Hakim, and Faulk. If Trent Green never gets hurt, Green puts up Warners numbers.

Mcnabb- Great Talent. Put his team on his shoulders last year. Hopefully, F. Mitchell can give him some help.

Aaron Brooks - If he played like he did last year with the lost of all the Off weapons he can become a star. Its his job to lose in training camp.

Batch is garbage.

Overrated QBs
Jeff Garcia
Brian Griese

Underrated
Rich Gannon
Steve Buerlein

 

[big dog]

Oh yeah, Dallas fans, Quincy Carter in the 2nd Round.

Jesus Christ, with picks like that a contracts like Joey Galloways, yall wont do shit for the next 10 years.

 

[madbomber31]

i personally dont like buerlein or his ability... but he HAD the panthers on the right track...

i think aaron brooks is in for a world of trouble if he thinks he is a quality starting qb, he is charlie batch all over again... a little more scrambling ability but the same mentality and arm... he can only go so far as his team takes him, not the other way around... i believe blake will end up winning the job and keeping it for the most part... saints are in a world of trouble if they start losing, qb controversy will be fast and furious.

trent green got hurt so bad in that preseason game vs. the chargers... it cost him the world... i agree, he would have done just about everything warner did, he was going to have an incredible year, be a phenomenal qb and be the toast of st louis... but, one late dirty knee hit and he is HOPING he lives up to elvis grbac??? nice turn of events...

 

[slickdadd]

Ok, well warner is in my opinion the best qb in the league. Green DID play last year and do you see where it got them? While warner was healthy all anyone was talking about was when are the rams gonna lose? He gets hurt, green takes over, they barely make the playoffs and lose in the first round. He is that team

As for overrated qb's, Garcia is not overrated. He gets no recognition. He is a great great player, steve young like and watch him for a game, he has tons of talent. Same goes for Griese, i'd put him in my top 3-4 qbs in the league. He didn't use to impress me, but he was great last year. He has all the tools. Student of the game.

 

[big dog]

Watch AB this year. A Batch he is not. Batch does not scramble that well, floats the ball all over the field, and cant read a Secondary to save his life.

Brooks, has excellent scrambling ability, A cannon arm, and is very smart.

With Mueller and Hasletts track record so far on judging talent, if they say he can be a star, I believe them.

 

[MINISTER]

Watch AB this year. A Batch he is not. Batch does not scramble that well, floats the ball all over the field, and cant read a Secondary to save his life.

Brooks, has excellent scrambling ability, A cannon arm, and is very smart.

With Mueller and Hasletts track record so far on judging talent, if they say he can be a star, I believe them.

I agree with this guy.

 

[oompha-loompha]

Dan Marino- the Only quarterback worth mentioning.

I'd like to see Drew Breese perform well though.

 

[Kryp2o]

Ahhhhh . . . this is why they play the games.

Aaron Brooks - gets the chance to prove himself this year with Williams, McAllister, Horn, Cleeland, and Connell in the line up. He should do fine.

Jeff Garcia - Can be a good QB in this league based on his ability to overachieve and his athleticism. He is also decent at reading the defense. He needs someone else besides Owens to throw to.

Charlie Batch - Simple . . . a bust.

Trent Green - Will have a bad year again . . . no talent around him except for Tony Gonzalez.

Steve McNair - Until they open up the offensive scheme instead of being conservative and actually have help at WR position will never get to prove him himself. There was a reason he was called "Air-McNair" at Alcorn Sate.

Peyton Manning - Has the complete package. Born and raised into football and will become one of the all time greats by the end of his career. It's a good thing I kept his rookie card.

 

[Natymike]

Most underrated QB's--Brain Greise, Jeff Garcia, A Brooks. In terms of fantasy ball, ie. putting up HUGE numbers, all of these guys are studs.

Horrible QB's--Bledsoe(lets throw 15tds this season, along with 32 picks)////////Mcnair--he sucks//////////Batch/Kitna/ect.

Mcnabb--Thrash and Mitchell should boost is numbers, emphases on "should"

Overrated once again---(Brett Favre---he WILL get hurt early in the season, and refuse to sit down and let anyone else play, he does it every year, plays at 75% and its ugly)

 

[The Grinch]

Keep in mind that almost all great quarterbacks are surrounded by great players.
Dan Marino- Duper and Clayton
Dan Fouts- Joiner and Winslow
Joe Montana- Rice, Craig, Clark
The modern day quarterbacks are no different.
Do you think Kurt Warner would have had a great season in 1999 without Marshall Faulk. I could cite examples all day, but the bottom line is you must have a supporting cast, which filters all the way down to even specials teams play, field positioning etc.
All that being said, Kordella SUCKS

 

[MINISTER]

Ahhhhh . . . this is why they play the games.

Aaron Brooks - gets the chance to prove himself this year with Williams, McAllister, Horn, Cleeland, and Connell in the line up. He should do fine.

Jeff Garcia - Can be a good QB in this league based on his ability to overachieve and his athleticism. He is also decent at reading the defense. He needs someone else besides Owens to throw to.

Charlie Batch - Simple . . . a bust.

Trent Green - Will have a bad year again . . . no talent around him except for Tony Gonzalez.

Steve McNair - Until they open up the offensive scheme instead of being conservative and actually have help at WR position will never get to prove him himself. There was a reason he was called "Air-McNair" at Alcorn Sate.

Peyton Manning - Has the complete package. Born and raised into football and will become one of the all time greats by the end of his career. It's a good thing I kept his rookie card.

I also agree with this guy!!

 

[funkoram]

F$%k Peyton Manning! If that d!ck comes out a year early, the Jets would have been set for 10-15 years at QB. I am glad he didn't win the Heisman or the national title. That being said, he is great but he still hasn't led his team to a victory in a playoff game.

With my team down with 2 mins left, I still go with Favre.

BTW I think Vick is the most physically gifted QB since problably Elway.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

McNabb is overrated. The NFL is great to give him 16 chances to prove it, so even diehards like MB will be convinced.....he won't play any "extra" games this year.

K Collins - a tad above average...but if he can just follow the defense into the playoffs, they'll do OK. Ron Daybe looks to be in great shape (for him) and Tiki looks good to.

P Manning - the best dropback passer in the league. The prototype NFL QB. The best in the league.

McNair - The Titans dominated the Ravens last year until they let Al Del Greco play. McNair does need some help at WR, but as long as he can keep handing to Eddie George, these guys are my AFC Super Bowl picks.

K Warner - certainly he benefits from the track team he plays with, but his arena days helped sharpen his timing....Green could not put up those numbers, and the Rams were 5-0 until Warner got hurt. If his timing is back, they will be playing basketball on grass.

Favre - he;s still clutch, but he's held together by duct tape.

Vinny Testaverde - will celebrate his 50th birthday with an 8-8 season. Hang it up Vinny....let Pennington show what a bum he is.

Culpepper - will never recover from 41-0 loss. Game will have similar psychological effect on him as missing 4 free throw in the NBA finals did to Nick Anderson in 1995....relegating him to medicortiy forever.

 

[Longhorn85]

My thoughts on QBs

I agree that Vick is a lot like Elway, so Reeves should know how to work him into the offense at Atlanta

My yardstick for great QBs used to be Superbowl rings, until Trent Dilfer...

A couple of years ago everyone was saying that Jake Plummer was the second coming of Joe Montana. NOT

Kordell Stewart will never take the Steelers to the SB. Cowers should have brought one of the Pennsylvania boys home to finish thier career there (Marino or Jim Kelly)

I look for San Diego to have success with Drew Brees

Where did Ryan Leaf end up? He is a dummy but he may come around eventually.

Steve McNair will continue to be successful because he is so tough and can get a first down at any time, plus the arm

Flutie is Finished

Drew Bledsoe's best years are behind him

Tampa Bay + Decent QB = Super Bowl Champion

Like all have said: Peyton Manning was genetically designed and bred to win a Superbowl. But then again, so was Todd Marinovich...

 

[KAYNE]

AARON BROOKS AND JEFF BLAKE=FECAL MATTER.

 

[Kryp2o]

Re: My thoughts on QBs

Where did Ryan Leaf end up? He is a dummy but he may come around eventually.

3rd string - Tampa Bay.

 

[Rex]

Re: Re: My thoughts on QBs

3rd string - Tampa Bay.

Is he attempting to attack fans down there like he did in San Diego or throwing temper tantrums in the locker room?

I think McNabb is an awesome QB. Shit he even completed a pass to himself and took it for some yards. He has moves, speed, strength, and a canon. He just needs Wr's to throw too.

MadBomber: E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!

 

[The_RAIDER]

Have you seen some of the Shit my Man Rich Gannon can pull off?
I'm talkin, wild ass, seat of the pants, pulled it outa his ass like May1010 likes it, kinda stuff.

On the way down side arm passes
On the way out recovery end around first down QB Sneaks.
Pump fake, then run into a buncha big ass secondary MoFo's for first downs.
Funny lookin pitch outs or ugly bobble passes to some running back that can't believe it made it into his arms.

Sure, the guys choked a few times but what QB hasn't?
I find it utterly entertaining watching and waiting for some whacked out play to move the ball downfield.
Even head Coach Gruden even can't believe some of the stuff this guy does and get away with week in and week out...

 

[madbomber31]

i am glad to see i am not the only one who realizes teh titans were handing the ravens an ass kicking until they started kicking the ball...

but, mcnair DOES have some weapons... dyson SHOULD be back, he has an awesome TE, eddie g providing his knee is all better, and now william floyd at fb... if thigpen makes it back to a decent player they should be ok... plus mason made huge steps last year...

 

[madbomber31]

ATT CMP PCT YDS YDS/PASS SK SYL LP IN TD
D.Bledsoe 531 312 58.8 3291 6.2 44 264 59 13 17

drew was getting hit like a heavy bag in front of mike tyson...

not quite 32 picks... and ya, 17td's was rather low...

i can get you some career stat comparisons with marino if you'd like?

more importantly for all the trent green is a bum people... here he is compared to your demi god mr. ( i have a dyke for a wife) warner.l

TRENT GREEN vs. KURT WARNER, another for you naty...


att com yds pct td int long sak/yd rat.
Kurt Warner 347 235 3429 67.7 21 18 85t 20/115 98.3
Trent Green 240 145 2063 60.4 16 5 64 24/145 101.8

nice td to pick ratio...
oh, to top it off, trent was without faulk for a few games, including the loss to carolina... he played VERY sparingly in losses to the saints and washington too...

try to put warner in without faulk and the same thing will happen.

 

[Kryp2o]

LMAO Madbomber. Titans handing the Ravens their ass.

LMAOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Hey Whity . . . .

Saints / Titans Rule !!!!!!!

 

[madbomber31]

i must bump this...

and

tim couch- 3rd year in cleveland, if he stays healthy the browns have a future... KJ is a SOLID wr to throw to, he needs a back that can help him out... couch has good drop back ability and is pretty accurate considering the pressure on him the first season.. last year was going well... UNTIL he got hurt... then pederson came on.. hahahahahaha

 

[big dog]

Jajuan Dawson will also be an excellent target for Couch this year.

 

[thermo]

Lions won't go anywhere until they get rid of Batch. If i was running that team, i would start harbaugh over him in a heartbeat.

I'm lookin for Brian Griese to have a huge season if he can stay healthy.

Overrated qb's: Brad Johnson,Kerry Collins,Chris Chandler, Rob Johnson, Kordell Stewart

Underachiever: Jake Plummer

Top QB's: Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner

 

[madbomber31]

why is this on page 2??? fuckers!!!

 

[GinNJuice]

I love the underdog stories..

Most underrated QB: Jeff Garcia.... you gotta love this guy, came into the league the hard way and virtually given very little chance to succeed..... and what does he do?... puts out outstanding ProBowl numbers from nowhere. If his team only had a defense, the sports writers wouldn't stop writing about this guy.


Hope he's got a few more years left: Doug Flutie..... another ya' gotta love guy..... comes into the league being told he'll never make it, goes to the CFL and kicks ass, then comes back to the NFL and kicks some more ass (without an O-Line)..... but he still gets released

 

[DEI]

Can I borrow a QB. for the best Team ever.

of course Pittsburgh dudes.

 

[Latimer]

Charlie Biatch - Shitty

Peyton Manning - Awesome, he'll only get better if he stays healthy.

Kurt Warner - I think he's seen his best days in the NFL.


Now on to the important QB's

Cade McNown - Pissed me off 2 years in a row. He still has a small chance to make something of himself in the NFL. If he wins the job I'll support him for one more season depending on how he performs. Was a whiny bitch for 2 years and lacks support from his team. Showing signs of maturity heading into his 3rd year.

Jim Miller - Strong arm. Puts up impressive numbers when healthy and not suspended. In 1999 he threw for 1,125 yards and seven touchdowns in a four-game stretch before being suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Currently sidelined with a hamstring strain. I'd like to see him as Chicago's starter. Needs to stay healthy and he can turn some heads. Please let it be Miller Time!

Shane Matthews - Decent backup.

 

[Kryp2o]

Jim Miller - Strong arm. Puts up impressive numbers when healthy and not suspended. In 1999 he threw for 1,125 yards and seven touchdowns in a four-game stretch before being suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Currently sidelined with a hamstring strain. I'd like to see him as Chicago's starter. Needs to stay healthy and he can turn some heads. Please let it be Miller Time!

Yeah that was crappy of the NFL to ban him. He fits very well in the offensive scheme that Chicago runs and has the talent to go with it. He should be the starter without question.