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Memnoch76

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I am almost ready to get back on cycle (Scheduling a full blood panel for next week). The advice and guidance has been great here. I am keeping it fairly simple and have everything on hand except for unleashed. Anyone know when NTBM or Protein Factory will get this back in stock?

Here is what I want to do:

weeks 1-4 sust 250mg ew (125mg mon and thurs)
weeks 5-14 test e 250mg ew mondays
weeks 1-4 25mg dbol ed (12.5mg twice per day)
weeks 1-4 N2Gaurd
as needed on cycle liquid stane. have 60ml of 25mg/ml
weeks 14-16 HCGenerate

The reason for the sust early is to take advantage of the shorter esters in the beginning of the cycle and then transition to the longer ester test e. Is this something that can be done? I can only run the test e at 250mg for 10 weeks if anyone tells me that mixing is bad news.

PCT
weeks 17-20 clomid 25/25/25/25
weeks 17-20 unleashed/post cycle
weeks 17-20 forma stanzol
weeks 17-20 daa power chews

stats:
36
5'7"
185lbs
down to 13%bf

I think the above cycle is layed out pretty well, the only thing I may take critique on is the mixing of the sust and test e. I may want to run the HCGenerate longer too. Thoughts?
 
Memnoch76 said:
I am almost ready to get back on cycle (Scheduling a full blood panel for next week). The advice and guidance has been great here. I am keeping it fairly simple and have everything on hand except for unleashed. Anyone know when NTBM or Protein Factory will get this back in stock?

Here is what I want to do:

weeks 1-4 sust 250mg ew (125mg mon and thurs)
weeks 5-14 test e 250mg ew mondays
weeks 1-4 25mg dbol ed (12.5mg twice per day)
weeks 1-4 N2Gaurd
as needed on cycle liquid stane. have 60ml of 25mg/ml
weeks 14-16 HCGenerate

The reason for the sust early is to take advantage of the shorter esters in the beginning of the cycle and then transition to the longer ester test e. Is this something that can be done? I can only run the test e at 250mg for 10 weeks if anyone tells me that mixing is bad news.

PCT
weeks 17-20 clomid 25/25/25/25
weeks 17-20 unleashed/post cycle
weeks 17-20 forma stanzol
weeks 17-20 daa power chews

stats:
36
5'7"
185lbs
down to 13%bf

I think the above cycle is layed out pretty well, the only thing I may take critique on is the mixing of the sust and test e. I may want to run the HCGenerate longer too. Thoughts?
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bro, i would be more concerned about you not listing and ai to run alongside dbol... that's a must with dbol... get aromasin at 12.5 mg eod

you are fine to run the test as you have it... i would start hcgenerate week 9 and run it through week 16...
 
I also have the option to kickstart this cycle with 50 mg of anadrol ed for the first 4 weeks. Any benefit to this (other than the fact that I have more for a larger dosage kickstart)?
 
Memnoch76 said:
I also have the option to kickstart this cycle with 50 mg of anadrol ed for the first 4 weeks. Any benefit to this (other than the fact that I have more for a larger dosage kickstart)?
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Anadrol is some pretty strong shit bro... A lot of people love it but as far as overall feeling good, dbol is a better option... Anadrol will probably give more size but they are in a similar category in terms of what they do


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I was reading up and saw that too man. Most of the posts i searched said the feeling on dbol is much better. I read that dbol increases dopamine. That true?

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I have been doing some reading and found that switching from sust to e is ok, and that because sust has a half life of about 3 weeks the test e will kick in just about the time the sust is dropping off. I know that orals are usually used to kickstart a cycle, but with the short esters in the sust is it necessary? I am thinking I will pin the sust at .3ml 3 times a week for the first 4 weeks to keep the prop kickin. Will it be beneficial to slide the dbol up to weeks 5-8 to kickstart the test e while the sust is dropping off? I may be over thinking this a little.

1-4 75mg sust mon, wed, and fri
5-14 250mg test e
5-8 25mg dbol ed
5-8 N2Gaurd
5-8 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
9-16 HCGenerate

PCT as listed above.

Will this be a more beneficial layout or should I keep the orals at the beginning and run it like I laid it out originally? The reason for this is I only have 6cc of sust and I am not getting more. I am going to use primarily enth and cyp from here on out, but I dont want to waste the 6cc I have. Not a traditional cycle I know, but I want to utilize the sust.
 
Memnoch76 said:
I have been doing some reading and found that switching from sust to e is ok, and that because sust has a half life of about 3 weeks the test e will kick in just about the time the sust is dropping off. I know that orals are usually used to kickstart a cycle, but with the short esters in the sust is it necessary? I am thinking I will pin the sust at .3ml 3 times a week for the first 4 weeks to keep the prop kickin. Will it be beneficial to slide the dbol up to weeks 5-8 to kickstart the test e while the sust is dropping off? I may be over thinking this a little.

1-4 75mg sust mon, wed, and fri
5-14 250mg test e
5-8 25mg dbol ed
5-8 N2Gaurd
5-8 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
9-16 HCGenerate

PCT as listed above.

Will this be a more beneficial layout or should I keep the orals at the beginning and run it like I laid it out originally? The reason for this is I only have 6cc of sust and I am not getting more. I am going to use primarily enth and cyp from here on out, but I dont want to waste the 6cc I have. Not a traditional cycle I know, but I want to utilize the sust.
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bro why are you fucking with the cycle that was laid out so nicely... this one is all fucked up now... go back to the way you had it before and stop overthinking it! you want to run dbol as a kickstart, not where you have it... what you just did makes no sense bro...
 
Copy that. I will run the original plan. I am ready to go except for the unleashed. Still out of stock. I will wait til i have it before i start though. Sucks to be waiting on one of the easiest things to get, but if its out of stock that probably means its worth waiting on.

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Memnoch76 said:
Copy that. I will run the original plan. I am ready to go except for the unleashed. Still out of stock. I will wait til i have it before i start though. Sucks to be waiting on one of the easiest things to get, but if its out of stock that probably means its worth waiting on.

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very wise bro... it will be in stock this week... check daily for it because it sells fast!

use coupon code "Pimp15" at needtobuildmuscle.com for 15% off and free shipping...
 
Mixing the esters is so not necessary..... Unless, you ran test e the whole cycle AND ran prop for first 4 weeks.
 
I know not necessary, but i want to utilize leftover sust. Just found out though that i may be able to get 10cc more sust for a total of 16cc. 16 weeks of sust with the dbol kicker would make things easy, and i will have 10cc test e in the bank.

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Memnoch76 said:
I know not necessary, but i want to utilize leftover sust. Just found out though that i may be able to get 10cc more sust for a total of 16cc. 16 weeks of sust with the dbol kicker would make things easy, and i will have 10cc test e in the bank.

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That works. You can also pin sus once a week. It works fine like that.
 
Wouldn't pinning only once a week make the prop in the mix pretty much useless? Half-life is around 2-3 days for prop right? Pinning 3-4 times a week is not a problem for me, thinking e3d with sust would help take advantage of all the esters.

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Memnoch76 said:
I also have the option to kickstart this cycle with 50 mg of anadrol ed for the first 4 weeks. Any benefit to this (other than the fact that I have more for a larger dosage kickstart)?
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While anadrol may produce slightly more gains then dbol the gains you get from anadrol are very weird looking and low in quality, like Dylan said stick to dbol
 
I will be doing the push/pull/legs rest repeat split while on. Diet will be the same with more calories. All clean whole foods with shakes pre and post workout. Fast carbs only post workout to force glycogen back into the cells. Going to start at 3000 calories and see how my body responds to the compounds. Might do a casein shake before bed to keep the stream of protein running while sleeping.

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Memnoch76 said:
I will be doing the push/pull/legs rest repeat split while on. Diet will be the same with more calories. All clean whole foods with shakes pre and post workout. Fast carbs only post workout to force glycogen back into the cells. Going to start at 3000 calories and see how my body responds to the compounds. Might do a casein shake before bed to keep the stream of protein running while sleeping.

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Sounds good...
 
dylangemelli said:
bro, i would be more concerned about you not listing and ai to run alongside dbol... that's a must with dbol... get aromasin at 12.5 mg eod

you are fine to run the test as you have it... i would start hcgenerate week 9 and run it through week 16...
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Dbol alone gave me some gyno flare up. Dbol and test and you're going to get tits pretty much guaranteed. Listen to the man.
 
Did u read anything after that post? I have liquid stane(aromasin) listed in my original post. I am going to run 12.5mg eod.

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Memnoch76 said:
Did u read anything after that post? I have liquid stane(aromasin) listed in my original post. I am going to run 12.5mg eod.

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I usually start aromasin at e3d and move into every other day as the cycle progresses.
 
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