Newbie Question.

[ADDiKT]

In Need of Assistance

Hello, I am 28 years old and overweight. Since February of this year, I have been dieting and excersizing 5 days a week in the morning. I have since lost 50 Lbs but I think I have reached the "weight-loss plateau". I am currently doing 1hr and 10min of cardio a day (35m of the cross trainer, 35m of bike) and I am going to start going to the gym each night for atleast an additional 45 minutes. I have talked to people and what not and they tell me how winstrol can help you lose weight. I am wondering what anyone on here thinks, should I go with winstrol for maybe 2 months or so - If winstrol is to be taken every day (which is something else I dont know) does that mean that I am to go to the gym each day? Should someone take winstrol on days they arent going to the gym? I am new to this and need help. This is my first post and I appreciate any help...

Thanks

 

[filthyr]

Winstrol can cut and you dont have to workout every day you take it.
Clenbuterol is another good choice. It is not a steroid and will burn off
stubborn fat. It also will help you look more toned. Winstrol, especially
oral, can be tough on the liver. Daily injections can pose their own problems.
I will def be using both in the future. Injects(winstrol) are what I like!
Do as much research on both and decide. Down the road you can run winstrol 4 weeks than clen 4weeks. I wouldnt start on 8 weeks winny. Find how your body reacts to each individually. Clen may be the better choice here. Winstrol dries up joints. Works well with decca because of this.

 

[blueta2]

Stop doing so much cardio. You will achieve better weight loss by doing weights more than cardio.
Do cardio on "cardio days" (2 days a week) for no more than 45 mins. And on these cardio days do HIIT (high interval training), this will shock the body to burn more fat.
Also find a good lifting routine that will help with weight loss.
There really is no need to work out every day....rest days are AS important as work-out days.

Good luck!


AND EAT CLEAN !!!

 

[plifter48]

Right on! Make weight training a priority. Every pound of muscle that you can add will burn more calories, even while you sleep.

 

[Ulter]

Plateau Buster:

SesaPure/Glucorell/Levorex combo
If you want to use stims then use Thermorexin instead of Levorex.

Discount coupon for Thermorexin is: afdiscount

 

[bca21]

i would buy clen from ag guys. take it 2 weeks on 2 weks off. its badass.

 

[cranny]

Sorry bro but winny will not cut you nor will any other form of gear. I don't understand why so many people tell newbs. about gear melting fat off. A strict diet will get you cut, not gear bro.

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

Try the Sesapure/Glucorell/Thermorexin stack first. Winny will not provide you with the results you want.

Definetely change up your routine, there are some very good suggestions above.

Also you didn't mention your diet, what's it like?

 

[ADDiKT]

I want to thank you all for your advice - it is greatly appreciated...

My diet consists of a banana and a granola bar for breakfast. Grilled chicken breast and a salad for lunch and dinner.

 

[blueta2]

I want to thank you all for your advice - it is greatly appreciated...

My diet consists of a banana and a granola bar for breakfast. Grilled chicken breast and a salad for lunch and dinner.

This is all you're eating??? Not enough and granola is NOT clean!
Cut out the granola and eat a good mix of clean carbs (oatmeal) and more protein for breakfast. You also should have snacks between meals like almonds, cottage cheese, PB and whole wheat breads etc..!

Up the metabloism and eat cleaner!

 

[drrman]

Winstrol can cut and you dont have to workout every day you take it.
Clenbuterol is another good choice. It is not a steroid and will burn off
stubborn fat. It also will help you look more toned. Winstrol, especially
oral, can be tough on the liver. Daily injections can pose their own problems.
I will def be using both in the future. Injects(winstrol) are what I like!
Do as much research on both and decide. Down the road you can run winstrol 4 weeks than clen 4weeks. I wouldnt start on 8 weeks winny. Find how your body reacts to each individually. Clen may be the better choice here. Winstrol dries up joints. Works well with decca because of this.

What the fuck??? "winstrol can cut and you don't have to workout every day you take it".......and of course you don't "have" to work out, but only if you want to get any muscle from it

AND THE MAIN THING ...... winny does NOT NOT NOT NOT cut fat....again, does NOT CUT FAT

and it will NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT make you look more toned, its an anabolic, it makes you build muscle, NOT NOT NOT burn fat....again, winny does NOT burn fat dammit!!!

you need CARDIO CARDIO and DIET DIET.....not winny

 

[drrman]

Stop doing so much cardio. You will achieve better weight loss by doing weights more than cardio.
Do cardio on "cardio days" (2 days a week) for no more than 45 mins. And on these cardio days do HIIT (high interval training), this will shock the body to burn more fat.
Also find a good lifting routine that will help with weight loss.
There really is no need to work out every day....rest days are AS important as work-out days.

Good luck!


AND EAT CLEAN !!!

i must DISAGREE with the statement here bro, "stop doing so much cardio"......you can do cardio MUCH more than 2 days a week bro, he needs to do cardio WITH his training, even if doing HIT, nothing compares to true cardio

 

[ryan04]

Re: In Need of Assistance

Hello, I am 28 years old and overweight. Since February of this year, I have been dieting and excersizing 5 days a week in the morning. I have since lost 50 Lbs but I think I have reached the "weight-loss plateau". I am currently doing 1hr and 10min of cardio a day (35m of the cross trainer, 35m of bike) and I am going to start going to the gym each night for atleast an additional 45 minutes. I have talked to people and what not and they tell me how winstrol can help you lose weight. I am wondering what anyone on here thinks, should I go with winstrol for maybe 2 months or so - If winstrol is to be taken every day (which is something else I dont know) does that mean that I am to go to the gym each day? Should someone take winstrol on days they arent going to the gym? I am new to this and need help. This is my first post and I appreciate any help...

Thanks

I don't know where to start. You need to keep working out and if its not just a phase and your still into it 2-3 from now, then think about the sauce. Winstrol is not going to burn any fat off you, only cardio + diet will do that. Do some research bro.

 

[Ramcononer]

what dr said....why would you tell someone overweight to jump on any drugs at all....

 

[factory46]

Something to keep in mind on your long-term diet and exercise plan is this man:

You body will adapt to anything you do to it!!

So eating barely 1200cal and killing urself in cardio becomes the "norm" for your body and it no longer considers this to be a diet, the body thinks this is how life is gonna be. Therefore, it stops the burning of fat; and could even start the burning of muscle if ur not hitting some weights. This is the plateau you are stuck at. Your body now thinks that low calories and an hour of cardio a day is the norm.

Everything you do to your body has to be done in cycles. You should break your current diet and exercise program and consider putting yourself in 6-8 week patterns. In each 6 week program, change up some factors like heavy/light weights, HIIT, cardio, sports, karate or boxing. And change the diet. U have to eat carbs to live, and to fuel ur muscles. Research 45/35/20 ratios for your calories. No carb diets are for people that want to yo-yo their weight around. If you are looking for a lasting change, you have to make a program that is reasonably healthy for yourself (ie. more than salads).

I would focus more on the Nutrition aspect of your life. Winstrol is cool, but might not be for you. You sound like you would be better served with diet aids and stimulants which some of the above members have endorsed already. Check them out. THey are legal (for now, lol). And they work.

ps. this advice is coming from a guy that went from 245 (38"W)down to 175 (31"W) over a 3 year period. AFTER that I have done 2 test-based cycles in the past 5 years and come up to a strong and very well proportioned 193. In the past 8 years, I have changed my programs and diets routinely. It works.

 

[blueta2]

i must DISAGREE with the statement here bro, "stop doing so much cardio"......you can do cardio MUCH more than 2 days a week bro, he needs to do cardio WITH his training, even if doing HIT, nothing compares to true cardio

I'm a Sista (see my pic..hehe) and it's cool to disagree, but doing too much cardio will reverse the effects of weight training.
You can do some cardio with training but not that much!

 

[drrman]

I'm a Sista (see my pic..hehe) and it's cool to disagree, but doing too much cardio will reverse the effects of weight training.
You can do some cardio with training but not that much!

guess you have never gotten ready for a show then, or watched a guy get ready for a show huh.......the do 7 days of cardio and 3 days of weight training sometimes.

cardio ALWAYS works, if he wants to see the muscles hes building he has to remove the fat over them.......and it sounds as if he is trying to lose fat, not gain muscle right now also and granted you are right that more muscle will burn some fat, but not as much as the cardio will!

 

[drrman]

I'm a Sista (see my pic..hehe) and it's cool to disagree, but doing too much cardio will reverse the effects of weight training.
You can do some cardio with training but not that much!

by the way, i do cardio 5-6 times a week in the morning, and i go back in the evening for weight training, im 6' 250lbs, 7-8% BF......the cardio is NOT taking any muscle off me!!!

 

[blueta2]

Addikt says he hit a plateau..he's not training for a show.
The prep in training for a show is UNNATURAL unless.... you are training for a show.
People could not live like this every day and feel well.
Cardio works 5-6 days for you, but that is rare!
Are you building naturally?? Are you taking enhancers?
If you are all natural, cardio 5-6 days a week IS TOO MUCH!!!!

He hit a plateau and needs to switch his routine to peek again!

 

[drrman]

Addikt says he hit a plateau..he's not training for a show.
The prep in training for a show is UNNATURAL unless.... you are training for a show.
People could not live like this every day and feel well.
Cardio works 5-6 days for you, but that is rare!
Are you building naturally?? Are you taking enhancers?
If you are all natural, cardio 5-6 days a week IS TOO MUCH!!!!

He hit a plateau and needs to switch his routine to peek again!

I can see your point.....he may need to switch it up to get something else going! agreed on that, but he should switch back to more cardio again in the future......

and LOL, im nowhere near natural, and enhancers is an understatement!

i sent you some K

 

[newbie210]

Alright well I read the responses and there are alot of bros on here that are knowledgeable (sp) with alot but I know how you feel. I lost 100 pounds in about 12 months and this is how I did it. (I'm not saying its the best way or even the right way)

6am 1 hour ellipitcal workout (no food)/ workout sets at 4x15 light to moderate weight, your training to lose weight not bulk up and gain.

meals eat at least 4, but its better to get up around 6 every 3 or so hours

High protein and fiber, e.i. a chicken salad (salsa is a good sub for dressing) and avoid carbs. Try to track them and eat less then 20g daily for 4 weeks then load up for a week and start all over. You don't want to do that for longer then 4 weeks though its hard on your heart, liver, ect plus you get irritated w/o carbs.

then as late as possible without giving up sleep I would do a long steady jog for an hour. When you get comfortable with that you can make it interval and run/walk light poles.

Many will probably disagree but just my .02 and how I did it.

 

[drrman]

Alright well I read the responses and there are alot of bros on here that are knowledgeable (sp) with alot but I know how you feel. I lost 100 pounds in about 12 months and this is how I did it. (I'm not saying its the best way or even the right way)

6am 1 hour ellipitcal workout (no food)/ workout sets at 4x15 light to moderate weight, your training to lose weight not bulk up and gain.

meals eat at least 4, but its better to get up around 6 every 3 or so hours

High protein and fiber, e.i. a chicken salad (salsa is a good sub for dressing) and avoid carbs. Try to track them and eat less then 20g daily for 4 weeks then load up for a week and start all over. You don't want to do that for longer then 4 weeks though its hard on your heart, liver, ect plus you get irritated w/o carbs.

then as late as possible without giving up sleep I would do a long steady jog for an hour. When you get comfortable with that you can make it interval and run/walk light poles.

Many will probably disagree but just my .02 and how I did it.

congrats on the weight loss bro!! dont let yourself get that out of whack again! what are your stats now?

 

[newbie210]

congrats on the weight loss bro!! dont let yourself get that out of whack again! what are your stats now?

was 5'9"/305/26%bf

now 5'9/215/15%bf

goal 6'5" (probably won't happen)/220/10%bf

 

[njmuscleguy]

great advice from everyone here so far!
just a recap:

1) Start weight-training, 4-5 days a week... high-reps, low-intensity

2) Continue cardio... 45minutes is good enough... first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is very effective (use cardio breeze from AF Store to give you an energy kick for this).... -or- do cardio after your weight-training workout since you'll be in "fat-burning" mode by that point

3) your diet is all wrong.... eat every 2-3 hours... breakfast should be something like egg whites, oatmeal and a banana... have a protein shake or another good source of protein as your mid-morning and mid-afternoon snacks.... lunch and dinner should be something like chicken or fish with veggies... and have a protein shake (with some flax oil) before bed... make sure you're taking your EFA's...they help promote fat loss...drink lots of water, take a good multi-vitamin

4) supplements like Thermorexin, Glucorell, etc. are definitely a good idea to give you that extra push

5) you don't need any AAS at this point.... get your workouts, cardio, and especially diet in check... break through that plateau, and THEN reconsider if you need/want AAS

Good luck bro!

 

[Sassy69]

OK guys - there's a lot of discussion all over the place here. Just like we do on the women's board when someone new comes by w/ questions:

1) What are your stats?
-- these we don't know yet but he still considers himself overweight, though lost 50 lb.

2) current diet? Please put it into a food counts program (like www.fitday.com -- free account, very easy to use) & give some numbers so we know what we are talkign about specifically:

Meal 1: time = morning I assume
1 banana
granola bar - I grabbed the nutritional info for a Kudos bar -- dunno if its correct but its a ballpark representative.

Meal 2: time = midday
grilled chicken breast - i'll assume 6 oz
salad - i'll assume 2 c = lettuce, 1/2 tomato, 1/2 cucumber (just guessing)
any salad dressing or somethign on there?

Meal 3: time = night
same as Meal 2

Estimating some of the foods because we dont' have detail, I get the following from fitday.com:

If I include a standard salad dressing, 2 tbsp per meal ( = 4 tbsp for the day), I get:

Total cals: 1285, macronutrient breakdown: protein: 111 g (35%) / fat: 66 g (47%) / carb: 67 g (18%)

Without salad dressing:

Total cals: 1014, macronutrient breakdown: protein: 110 g (45%) / fat: 39 g (35%) / carb: 59 g (20%)

So keeping in mind that "progress" is driven 80% by diet (just a number, but its primarily driven by diet because your body responds to how you feed it -- the training in the world is irrelevant if you don't diet to fuel that activity), Basically your body has been shedding "weight" but do you have any idea your bodyfat. On this current diet your body has assumed it is entering a "starvation phase", i.e. it thinks you are living in a drought situation and it has slowed down its metabolism to preserve as much energy source as it can (bodyfat). With all that cardio demand though, it is probably consuming both fat AND MUSCLE. To that end I really want to hit people when they say they don't care about losing muscle. You lose muscle, then at the end of it all you are now "skinnyfat". This diet is similar to the Atkins Diet in that the carbs are very low, but also the total cals are very low & your aerobic demands are fairly high. God you must be exhausted. Atkins Diet absolutely sucks as a long-term lifestyle, so I wouldn't in a million years recommend it for anything other than a short transition period.

Basically you are stalling out because 1) your body can't sustain this diet much longer as far as what you perceive to be "progress" and 2) your cardio demands are consuming more energy source than you are ingesting so it is turning to both your bodyfat AND your muscle.

NO, STEROIDS AND CLEN ARE NOT THE WAY TO GO. That just means you are introducing yet another thing that forces your body to respond a certain way, but you still aren't providing enough of the basic stuff - energy to support what you are trying to do.

Probably need to know where you are now re: weight, height, bodyfat, in order to make a best recommendation, but NO I would not be looking into steroids when you can easily make adjustments via diet. The fact that you are looking for steroids vs making adjustments to your diet is tellign me that you aren't aware of the importance of diet in all of this - even if you chose to cycle, you absolutely need your diet in place to support whatever your goals are, and further you would be wasting your time if you aren't training. And also don't go jacking up your cardio even more. Frankly I think "more" is not always better. Again - if your diet isn't in place, then everythign else you do just taxes your body that much and tries to force it to do things that it isn't being fueled for.

I agree wholeheartedly w/ the comment about a long term plan now. If you've made the great progress of 50 lb, I'd start putting in place a diet & training program that will get you where you want to go w/o absolutely destroying your muscle mass in the process and making the whole effort more smooth and maintainable in the long run. Its supposed to be a LIFESTYLE -- if you do this wild cut down to whatever is your goal and then go off the program you've been on for so long I can guarantee a nice big fat rebound. Slow & deliberate trending down towards where you want to go will get you there in much better shape when you arrive.

 

[newbie210]

great advice from everyone here so far!
just a recap:

1) Start weight-training, 4-5 days a week... high-reps, low-intensity

2) Continue cardio... 45minutes is good enough... first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is very effective (use cardio breeze from AF Store to give you an energy kick for this).... -or- do cardio after your weight-training workout since you'll be in "fat-burning" mode by that point

3) your diet is all wrong.... eat every 2-3 hours... breakfast should be something like egg whites, oatmeal and a banana... have a protein shake or another good source of protein as your mid-morning and mid-afternoon snacks.... lunch and dinner should be something like chicken or fish with veggies... and have a protein shake (with some flax oil) before bed... make sure you're taking your EFA's...they help promote fat loss...drink lots of water, take a good multi-vitamin

4) supplements like Thermorexin, Glucorell, etc. are definitely a good idea to give you that extra push

5) you don't need any AAS at this point.... get your workouts, cardio, and especially diet in check... break through that plateau, and THEN reconsider if you need/want AAS

Good luck bro!

Follow this and come back in about 6 weeks and tell us where your at. You should be on point.

 

[drrman]

OK guys - there's a lot of discussion all over the place here. Just like we do on the women's board when someone new comes by w/ questions:

1) What are your stats?
-- these we don't know yet but he still considers himself overweight, though lost 50 lb.

2) current diet? Please put it into a food counts program (like www.fitday.com -- free account, very easy to use) & give some numbers so we know what we are talkign about specifically:

Meal 1: time = morning I assume
1 banana
granola bar - I grabbed the nutritional info for a Kudos bar -- dunno if its correct but its a ballpark representative.

Meal 2: time = midday
grilled chicken breast - i'll assume 6 oz
salad - i'll assume 2 c = lettuce, 1/2 tomato, 1/2 cucumber (just guessing)
any salad dressing or somethign on there?

Meal 3: time = night
same as Meal 2

Estimating some of the foods because we dont' have detail, I get the following from fitday.com:

If I include a standard salad dressing, 2 tbsp per meal ( = 4 tbsp for the day), I get:

Total cals: 1285, macronutrient breakdown: protein: 111 g (35%) / fat: 66 g (47%) / carb: 67 g (18%)

Without salad dressing:

Total cals: 1014, macronutrient breakdown: protein: 110 g (45%) / fat: 39 g (35%) / carb: 59 g (20%)

So keeping in mind that "progress" is driven 80% by diet (just a number, but its primarily driven by diet because your body responds to how you feed it -- the training in the world is irrelevant if you don't diet to fuel that activity), Basically your body has been shedding "weight" but do you have any idea your bodyfat. On this current diet your body has assumed it is entering a "starvation phase", i.e. it thinks you are living in a drought situation and it has slowed down its metabolism to preserve as much energy source as it can (bodyfat). With all that cardio demand though, it is probably consuming both fat AND MUSCLE. To that end I really want to hit people when they say they don't care about losing muscle. You lose muscle, then at the end of it all you are now "skinnyfat". This diet is similar to the Atkins Diet in that the carbs are very low, but also the total cals are very low & your aerobic demands are fairly high. God you must be exhausted. Atkins Diet absolutely sucks as a long-term lifestyle, so I wouldn't in a million years recommend it for anything other than a short transition period.

Basically you are stalling out because 1) your body can't sustain this diet much longer as far as what you perceive to be "progress" and 2) your cardio demands are consuming more energy source than you are ingesting so it is turning to both your bodyfat AND your muscle.

NO, STEROIDS AND CLEN ARE NOT THE WAY TO GO. That just means you are introducing yet another thing that forces your body to respond a certain way, but you still aren't providing enough of the basic stuff - energy to support what you are trying to do.

Probably need to know where you are now re: weight, height, bodyfat, in order to make a best recommendation, but NO I would not be looking into steroids when you can easily make adjustments via diet. The fact that you are looking for steroids vs making adjustments to your diet is tellign me that you aren't aware of the importance of diet in all of this - even if you chose to cycle, you absolutely need your diet in place to support whatever your goals are, and further you would be wasting your time if you aren't training. And also don't go jacking up your cardio even more. Frankly I think "more" is not always better. Again - if your diet isn't in place, then everythign else you do just taxes your body that much and tries to force it to do things that it isn't being fueled for.

I agree wholeheartedly w/ the comment about a long term plan now. If you've made the great progress of 50 lb, I'd start putting in place a diet & training program that will get you where you want to go w/o absolutely destroying your muscle mass in the process and making the whole effort more smooth and maintainable in the long run. Its supposed to be a LIFESTYLE -- if you do this wild cut down to whatever is your goal and then go off the program you've been on for so long I can guarantee a nice big fat rebound. Slow & deliberate trending down towards where you want to go will get you there in much better shape when you arrive.

this lady will help ya! good post

 

[filthyr]

Steroids dont cut fat but they can raise body temp. This can help fat burn.
I wouldnt tell anyone to try drugs. Sounds like he made that decision for himself.
Clen raises body temp that is how it helps burn fat. I never get cold when on aas. Plus when on I tend to burn more fat. Winstrol seems to remove water
and anyone that says it doesnt cut and only builds muscle wake up. Im saying
it appears to remove fat. That is why I said clen is probably the best choice.
If winstrol only builds muscle why do most BB use it specifically during cutting cycles?

 

[BigCracker]

guess you have never gotten ready for a show then, or watched a guy get ready for a show huh.......the do 7 days of cardio and 3 days of weight training sometimes.

cardio ALWAYS works, if he wants to see the muscles hes building he has to remove the fat over them.......and it sounds as if he is trying to lose fat, not gain muscle right now also and granted you are right that more muscle will burn some fat, but not as much as the cardio will!

Calling Jenny isn't enough. I'll do 2-3 hrs of cardio/day pre contest and I won't lose size. But I know that's what works for me. I also know guys that would shrivel up to nothing doing that much cardio w/o even dieting. The thread starter should be doing 1 hr/day IMNSHO, just based on his stated situation, wants, and needs. He's gonna lose some muscle just getting rid of his gut, but that's a small price to pay to have a v-taper.