Newbie looking for help..

[38nStrong]

Hey guys I just joined this forum to help answer some of my questions. I have read alot of your threads here and think I have been getting alot of bad advice from my friends. I am 38 years old and this is my first cycle. I have been lifting for years and have a good diet. The local "GUY" talked me int trying Sustanton 500 a week mixed with deca at 400. I have to say I went into this blind and now that I am on I feel I should do this right. So I guess my first of many questions I havnt found the answer to is am I taking to much for a first timmer or should I be taking more? I did learn enough first to hook up with clomid for a 21 day pct. I hope that is right as well. Let me know if you need more info or if you have any questions. Thanks for your help.

 

[GetBig10]

Hey guys I just joined this forum to help answer some of my questions. I have read alot of your threads here and think I have been getting alot of bad advice from my friends. I am 38 years old and this is my first cycle. I have been lifting for years and have a good diet. The local "GUY" talked me int trying Sustanton 500 a week mixed with deca at 400. I have to say I went into this blind and now that I am on I feel I should do this right. So I guess my first of many questions I havnt found the answer to is am I taking to much for a first timmer or should I be taking more? I did learn enough first to hook up with clomid for a 21 day pct. I hope that is right as well. Let me know if you need more info or if you have any questions. Thanks for your help.

your on the right track but run it more than 21 days...

Sust at 500mg.weekly
Deca at 200-400mg.weekly (depending on only if using on lubing joints or mass and strength)
Clomid Aifm

alot of other brothers will chime in on some great advice and welcome to the board!

 

[medical]

sust 500. mmmkay

 

[jitc476]

Hey guys I just joined this forum to help answer some of my questions. I have read alot of your threads here and think I have been getting alot of bad advice from my friends. I am 38 years old and this is my first cycle. I have been lifting for years and have a good diet. The local "GUY" talked me int trying Sustanton 500 a week mixed with deca at 400. I have to say I went into this blind and now that I am on I feel I should do this right. So I guess my first of many questions I havnt found the answer to is am I taking to much for a first timmer or should I be taking more? I did learn enough first to hook up with clomid for a 21 day pct. I hope that is right as well. Let me know if you need more info or if you have any questions. Thanks for your help.

The best first cycle is to run test-E by itself 250-1000 mgs a week for 12 weeks. pct and anti-e's are vital.

 

[38nStrong]

Is this Aifm Im hearing about on this board a anti E? If not what is it? And also I was told when I started this stack that I was to do the Sust for 12 weeks and the deca for 11. Is this about right?

 

[jitc476]

Is this Aifm Im hearing about on this board a anti E? If not what is it? And also I was told when I started this stack that I was to do the Sust for 12 weeks and the deca for 11. Is this about right?

lets try this again. One of the best 1st cycles, that you will keep most of your gains if your diet is in check, is test-e 250-1000 mgs a week for 12 weeks.

AIFM is a topically applied anti estrogen. Alot of people like it, some dont. I find it useful as a constant anti e, but have some letro for backup gyno flares.

you need a pct of clomid or hcg or both.. 2 weeks after the last shot of test.

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like i said, test-e 250-1000 mgs a week, 12 weeks.

 

[wags8]

Is this Aifm Im hearing about on this board a anti E? If not what is it? And also I was told when I started this stack that I was to do the Sust for 12 weeks and the deca for 11. Is this about right?

You're fine with what you're doing. Get some AIFM. Read as much as you can about what you're doing. Enjoy, bro, the first is the best.

 

[38nStrong]

You're fine with what you're doing. Get some AIFM. Read as much as you can about what you're doing. Enjoy, bro, the first is the best.

Thanks. I needed to hear that. Im looking forward to the experiance of this. I feel good from the Sust I tell ya. Thanks for all your help with this everyone....

 

[iHulk]

is it Sus250 that you have? If so 500mg/wk is a good start.
At about the 6 week point, bump it to 750mg/wk and even up to a Gram/wk if you want.

Keep the deca at about 400-500mg/wk. This is a classic combo and you should get awesome results.

PCT - personally I don't use clomid, a lot of bros do though; I just don't like it and prefer Nolvadex but to each their own.

To make your cycle go a bit better you can incorporate an AI. Either aromasin (20mg/day) or Arimidex.

AIFM is a good choice -its a topical suicide AI (similar in structure -- and basically is Aromasin).

Also suggest 25-50mg ed of Proviron (Mesterolone) to keep the bloat down and the libido raging. (test + proviron will subdue any deca dick).
Mesterolone has a unique affinity for SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin).

Just my .02 Welcome to the Dark Side

 

[GetBig10]

is it Sus250 that you have? If so 500mg/wk is a good start.
At about the 6 week point, bump it to 750mg/wk and even up to a Gram/wk if you want.

Keep the deca at about 400-500mg/wk. This is a classic combo and you should get awesome results.

PCT - personally I don't use clomid, a lot of bros do though; I just don't like it and prefer Nolvadex but to each their own.

To make your cycle go a bit better you can incorporate an AI. Either aromasin (20mg/day) or Arimidex.

AIFM is a good choice -its a topical suicide AI (similar in structure -- and basically is Aromasin).

Also suggest 25-50mg ed of Proviron (Mesterolone) to keep the bloat down and the libido raging. (test + proviron will subdue any deca dick).
Mesterolone has a unique affinity for SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin).

Just my .02 Welcome to the Dark Side

bro i had made a thread before and they had said its not good to run nolva with deca
becasue of estrogen

 

[solidspine]

Test & Deca

You need anti-e\
You need PCT

 

[iHulk]

bro i had made a thread before and they had said its not good to run nolva with deca
becasue of estrogen

myth
... its purportedly due to prolactin sides from compounds like: tren, deca, npp and Nolv can exasperate it; but imo with deca, if run at mild doses, not an issue.

 

[GetBig10]

myth

thanks for the clear up

 

[38nStrong]

is it Sus250 that you have? If so 500mg/wk is a good start.
At about the 6 week point, bump it to 750mg/wk and even up to a Gram/wk if you want.

Keep the deca at about 400-500mg/wk. This is a classic combo and you should get awesome results.

PCT - personally I don't use clomid, a lot of bros do though; I just don't like it and prefer Nolvadex but to each their own.

To make your cycle go a bit better you can incorporate an AI. Either aromasin (20mg/day) or Arimidex.

AIFM is a good choice -its a topical suicide AI (similar in structure -- and basically is Aromasin).

Also suggest 25-50mg ed of Proviron (Mesterolone) to keep the bloat down and the libido raging. (test + proviron will subdue any deca dick).
Mesterolone has a unique affinity for SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin).

Just my .02 Welcome to the Dark Side

what is the purpose of the increase in dose at week 6? And if I increase do I decrease to the finish at a certain point? I have enough sut 250 for a while so if I need to increase I can. Only bought enough deca for 10 weeks though and got the 11th weeks shot from a bud. So do I need more deca when or if I up the test at week 6?

 

[off_safety]

i was skeptical at first but after i got aifm, i was a believer. this is a worth while investment, bro. only $40 and itll keep the water down, ur nuts low, and your nips from becoming tits. good luck bro.

 

[iHulk]

what is the purpose of the increase in dose at week 6? And if I increase do I decrease to the finish at a certain point? I have enough sut 250 for a while so if I need to increase I can. Only bought enough deca for 10 weeks though and got the 11th weeks shot from a bud. So do I need more deca when or if I up the test at week 6?

at week 5 or 6 you'll be peaking with influx of Test hormone. At your age and amount of time you've been training a gram/week would be ideal. Get the most outta of it. Making the jump at the half way point will make it all that much more gratifying and it will peak your plasma levels considerably. There is only time chance in life to run a 1st cycle. Hit the receptors while they are virgins. They'll never have an opportunity like this and you'll be glad you did.

No need to decrease the dosage to less than 500mg/wk.
No need to increase the deca either.

 

[38nStrong]

at week 5 or 6 you'll be peaking with influx of Test hormone. At your age and amount of time you've been training a gram/week would be ideal. Get the most outta of it. Making the jump at the half way point will make it all that much more gratifying and it will peak your plasma levels considerably. There is only time chance in life to run a 1st cycle. Hit the receptors while they are virgins. They'll never have an opportunity like this and you'll be glad you did.

No need to decrease the dosage to less than 500mg/wk.
No need to increase the deca either.

So Just to make sure I got ya. My cycle would look like this then your saying
week 1-6 500mg sust 400 deca
week 7-12 750 or 1G sust
week 7-11 400 deca
Is this what you had in mind? Thanks for the input..

 

[GetBig10]

So Just to make sure I got ya. My cycle would look like this then your saying
week 1-6 500mg sust 400 deca
week 7-12 750 or 1G sust
week 7-11 400 deca
Is this what you had in mind? Thanks for the input..

make sure you have your pcT!! lined up before anything!!

 

[38nStrong]

make sure you have your pcT!! lined up before anything!!

I have been told to use clomid. 100mg week15 then 50mg week 16 and 17.

 

[iHulk]

So Just to make sure I got ya. My cycle would look like this then your saying
week 1-6 500mg sust 400 deca
week 7-12 750 or 1G sust
week 7-11 400 deca
Is this what you had in mind? Thanks for the input..

yea, looks ok.

wk 1-11 400mg/wk DECA
wk 1-5 500mg/wk SUS
wk 6-12 750mg/wk SUS (1 g/wk depending how you feel)
wk 1-12 and cont. thru PCT (2 sprays AIFM)

PCT: Clomid and Aromasin (AIFM)
if balls are tucked into your stomach add some HCG

 

[38nStrong]

sounds good. Ill concider switching up the dose to your suggested dose. I am at end week 4 now so I can up it soon. And would I need the pct if I was going to run a 200-225mg test hrt dose directly after cycle?Thanks...

 

[iHulk]

the HCG may not be necessary (we'll ask the HRT guys) if you are gonna stay on a maintenance dose of Test -- but the PCT will help you block the excess oestrogen from the heavier test and curb the byproducts of aromitization.

The 'clomid/HCG/AI' PCT combo usually gets your natty test producitn going again but if you are taking HRT your nutts may be depending on the exogenous supply.

Bump for the HRT guys to chime in on HCG with HRT. whats the verdict?