Newbie Cycle Questions

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Testoviron-Depot vs. Primoteston??

Just a couple of questions? 1 is there a difference between Testoviron-Depot (schering) with some middle eastern writing on it or Primoteston Depot? I'm under the impression these are both just Testosterone Enanthate?

Secondly I have 14 of the Testoviron-Depot and I was planning on injecting every 5 days now, I've read there is a pretty hard crash coming off this test and I was just wondering what and if the anything else I should be programming into my cycle??

I am a little pissed cause I had initially wanted primo and I was told primo test would be better off given the time of year and my knowledge of training but he ended up giving me 14 Testoviron Depots and I was hoping not to retain water but I have been reading alot of good stuff on the Testoviron Depot so I don't know.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[visions]

Re: Testoviron-Depot vs. Primoteston??

Help a brotha out?

Thanks!

 

[Outtlaw]

Im assuming this is your 1st cycle, so injecting 1amp every 5 days should be fine. Read the thread on PCT and you'll have all the information you need.

 

[LVTitan]

and primo is not test, they are two different compounds completely. just do a standardd pct and you will be fine. hcg and some nolvadex.

 

[boston basher]

and primo is not test, they are two different compounds completely. just do a standardd pct and you will be fine. hcg and some nolvadex.

Could have been Prima-test he was reffering to.

 

[Makavelli]

He's referring to Primoteston which is 250 mgs of ent. Good stuff.

 

[boston basher]

He's referring to Primoteston which is 250 mgs of ent. Good stuff.

Thank you, thats what I was talking about!

 

[visions]

He's referring to Primoteston which is 250 mgs of ent. Good stuff.

So is there primo in Primoteston? And is there any difference between Primoteston and Testoviron-Depot if so which one is better?

Thanks again!

 

[DiamondCutCows]

So is there primo in Primoteston? And is there any difference between Primoteston and Testoviron-Depot if so which one is better?

Thanks again!

No primo. Its Test E

 

[visions]

No primo. Its Test E

Cool, thanks, just one more question is there such thing as a combination of primo and test?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Cool, thanks, just one more question is there such thing as a combination of primo and test?

Not that I know of...I wouldnt use them together anyway

 

[visions]

Not that I know of...I wouldnt use them together anyway

Any particular reason?

If I do a 14 Testoviron at what week should I use the HCG, Clomid or Nalvodex? Is one of the 3 better then the other?

 

[LVTitan]

Any particular reason?

If I do a 14 Testoviron at what week should I use the HCG, Clomid or Nalvodex? Is one of the 3 better then the other?

around week 7 and 8 do 500iu hcg M W F (6times total) then after your last shot, do another MWF, MWF (2weeks)and the following week you can start your nolva at 40mg/day for 1 week and 20mg/ day for another month.
i dont recommend clomid, but some bros still use it. if anyone disagrees, feel free to post..im just offering a suggestion to the bro

 

[visions]

around week 7 and 8 do 500iu hcg M W F (6times total) then after your last shot, do another MWF, MWF (2weeks)and the following week you can start your nolva at 40mg/day for 1 week and 20mg/ day for another month.
i dont recommend clomid, but some bros still use it. if anyone disagrees, feel free to post..im just offering a suggestion to the bro

Cool Good lookin out so it would be something like this

Week 1 500mg - Enth
Week 2 250mg - Enth
Week 3 500mg - Enth
Week 4 250mg - Enth
Week 5 500mg - Enth
Week 6 250mg - Enth
Week 7 500mg - Enth
Week 8 250mg - Enth / 1500 IU HCG total (M,W,F) 500IU on each of those days
Week 9 500mg - Enth
Week 10 250mg - Enth / 1500 IU HCG total (M,W,F) 500IU on each of those days
Week 11 - 1500 IU total (M,W,F) 500IU on each of those days
Week 12 - Nolva 40mg/day
week 13-17 Nolva 20mg/day

Just want to make sure I'm clear on what you just said? That seems like a lot of HCG, let me know if I'm making any mistakes.

Thanks, sorry for the newbie questions.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Why are your doses floating like that?

 

[LVTitan]

Cool Good lookin out so it would be something like this

Week 1 500mg - Enth
Week 2 250mg - Enth
Week 3 500mg - Enth
Week 4 250mg - Enth
Week 5 500mg - Enth
Week 6 250mg - Enth
Week 7 500mg - Enth
Week 8 250mg - Enth / 1500 IU HCG total (M,W,F) 500IU on each of those days
Week 9 500mg - Enth
Week 10 250mg - Enth / 1500 IU HCG total (M,W,F) 500IU on each of those days
Week 11 - 1500 IU total (M,W,F) 500IU on each of those days
Week 12 - Nolva 40mg/day
week 13-17 Nolva 20mg/day

Just want to make sure I'm clear on what you just said? That seems like a lot of HCG, let me know if I'm making any mistakes.

Thanks, sorry for the newbie questions.

sorry if i confused you., but i dont like how your doses are going up and down, when you said if i do 14testoviron, i thought you meant a 14 week cycle, thats why i said hcg at week 7-8.... im assuming this is one of your first cycles ? if the testos are 250mg each, i would do one every 5days (70 day cycle, 10weeks) 10 weeks is perfect for that.. testoviron is an enth/sust isnt it ?

week 1-10 250mg(1amp) testo every 5 days.
week 11 500iu HCG MWF
week 12 500iu HCG MWF
week 13 40mg nolva ED
week 14-17 20mg nolva Ed


hope this helps bro, keep your doses even , i think this would be a perfect cycle. very much like 3 cycles i have previously run. you should be good , keep you calories high, work out hard, and get at least 8hrs of sleep every night.

 

[visions]

sorry if i confused you., but i dont like how your doses are going up and down, when you said if i do 14testoviron, i thought you meant a 14 week cycle, thats why i said hcg at week 7-8.... im assuming this is one of your first cycles ? if the testos are 250mg each, i would do one every 5days (70 day cycle, 10weeks) 10 weeks is perfect for that.. testoviron is an enth/sust isnt it ?

week 1-10 250mg(1amp) testo every 5 days.
week 11 500iu HCG MWF
week 12 500iu HCG MWF
week 13 40mg nolva ED
week 14-17 20mg nolva Ed


hope this helps bro, keep your doses even , i think this would be a perfect cycle. very much like 3 cycles i have previously run. you should be good , keep you calories high, work out hard, and get at least 8hrs of sleep every night.

Thanks that does help! I was doing different amounts each week cause that's how the numbers play out if you shoot every 5 days writing it as you did would have been much simpler.

This looks great..
week 1-10 250mg(1amp) testo every 5 days.
week 11 500iu HCG MWF
week 12 500iu HCG MWF
week 13 40mg nolva ED
week 14-17 20mg nolva Ed

Any other suggestions beyond that anyone?

I'm 5'10 180 about 13% BF, don't want to get to big, I'd really like to lean out while putting on some mass, curious about the amount of cardio people do while doing test?

Thanks.

 

[LVTitan]

Thanks that does help! I was doing different amounts each week cause that's how the numbers play out if you shoot every 5 days writing it as you did would have been much simpler.

This looks great..
week 1-10 250mg(1amp) testo every 5 days.
week 11 500iu HCG MWF
week 12 500iu HCG MWF
week 13 40mg nolva ED
week 14-17 20mg nolva Ed

Any other suggestions beyond that anyone?

I'm 5'10 180 about 13% BF, don't want to get to big, I'd really like to lean out while putting on some mass, curious about the amount of cardio people do while doing test?

Thanks.

i never do cardio, but my body fat is closer to 1 than 10 so no worries for me.
i do get serious leg pumps if i try to run very far, but nothing too severe. if you haven't started any gear yet, do yourself a favor and go get a blood test done so you have a baseline value for all your values
ie: liver, kidney, test levels, rbc count, wbc count etc... then when you have finished your pct, get another done, and you will know if you are fully recovered, if not do another pct. other than that it looks perfect bro. you're leaning out will mostly come from getting your diet on point, and i'm no expert on diet as i always bulk and always eat garbage food and get away with it.. have plenty of nolva on hand , more than required for pct, because if you find out you are gyno prone you will want to start taking the nolva during the cycle also. you will know if your nipples get puffy or itchy or sensitive to the touch. LOOKS GOOD BRO GO WITH THIS you will have good gains, keep your head in the game, most of your gains will come from training, diet, sleep, the gear is a small portion of the big picture.
now give me some fucking karma bro !!
titaN

 

[visions]

i never do cardio, but my body fat is closer to 1 than 10 so no worries for me.
i do get serious leg pumps if i try to run very far, but nothing too severe. if you haven't started any gear yet, do yourself a favor and go get a blood test done so you have a baseline value for all your values
ie: liver, kidney, test levels, rbc count, wbc count etc... then when you have finished your pct, get another done, and you will know if you are fully recovered, if not do another pct. other than that it looks perfect bro. you're leaning out will mostly come from getting your diet on point, and i'm no expert on diet as i always bulk and always eat garbage food and get away with it.. have plenty of nolva on hand , more than required for pct, because if you find out you are gyno prone you will want to start taking the nolva during the cycle also. you will know if your nipples get puffy or itchy or sensitive to the touch. LOOKS GOOD BRO GO WITH THIS you will have good gains, keep your head in the game, most of your gains will come from training, diet, sleep, the gear is a small portion of the big picture.
now give me some fucking karma bro !!
titaN

haha karma will be given! like 4 years ago I did some sust with some winny but it's been so long I just figured I'm as good as a newbie. I just broke out with some acne on my back but nothing else really. I might just go get some blood work done, do you tell your doc you're gonna do some gear? Also what is pct? I'm fairly knowledgable with training and diet it's just a matter of doing it. Thanks again

 

[LVTitan]

haha karma will be given! like 4 years ago I did some sust with some winny but it's been so long I just figured I'm as good as a newbie. I just broke out with some acne on my back but nothing else really. I might just go get some blood work done, do you tell your doc you're gonna do some gear? Also what is pct? I'm fairly knowledgable with training and diet it's just a matter of doing it. Thanks again

holy christ. take a step back if you don't know what pct is.. it's okay, i just found out myself about 6 mos ago. it is Post Cycle Therapy. pct is the period of time after ur cycle where you are taking hcg and nolvadex to get ur natural test production back up and running as quickly as possible. this is what makes it possible to 'keep' most of your gains. no pct leads to a 'crash' and loss of all the muscle you just busted your ass to get. at the main board page, near the bottom, is a forum strictly for pct. read thru there, especially the sticky's.. im on pct right now myself, started sunday.
no do not tell your doc you are doing gear. tell him you just want your bloodwork its your body and you are curious. shortstack just started a thread earlier today describing what normal range of values is for most bloodwork... hope this helps.