newbes/how much gear?

[bigguns]

lets cut through the bullshit. somone taking gear for the first time no matter how many years of training experiance you have listen up. you do not need 500 + mg of test a week or eq either or mega dose,s of d-bol or any other anabolic. a simple 250 mg of test is all one needs and you will grow. my very first cycle was just that 250mg of sus for 10 weeks. great results and very little sides. anyone tell you otherwise is full of shit. anabolics are drugs
that react differantly with every one as far as sides. be conservitive do see what results you will get and what type of sides you get, then as you gain experiance then ad dosage and try differant cycles.use your head do not just blindly follow somones advice with out doing some reasearch. i studied anabolics for a long time before i took them from many differant sources. educate your self.

 

[poantrex]

There is no reason to go beyond 250mg for a first cycle! Period!

 

[cartoon_muscles]

I agree. My first cycle was Sustanon 250 for 10 weeks as well. Very little side effects and great results.

 

[Bishop4]

disagree again. dbol is necessary to kickstart the cycle and to pile on the weight for the test to do anything spectacular. i gained 23 lbs my first cycle of dbol/winny. you did better than that on 250mg of test? i doubt it. yeah, 6 lbs was fat and about 3-4 was water......but i kept 14 lbs and never stuck a needle in me with no post cycle therapy, else i bet i'd have kept 17-20. dbol/test is bread and butter, and if you tell someone to use 250mg test alone your doing them a disservice. i have had many a happy camper when i "lead them in the direction" of dbol/sust. and you know what? like i stated earlier on another post.....they were more impressed with the dbol. haven't had one guy i know, including myself, that was that thrilled with test alone. mine and many others i know experience at least. just reporting the facts as i hear them from guys i know who did dbol/test first cycle and did better than any guy who did test alone. no doubt in my mind. this board is insane this week with the 250mg test BS posts. cut the shit for christ sakes!

 

[Latamier]

One of the problems is that a lot of newbies read OUR posts on the cycles we use, and think that they are a standard dose. If you have questions about the cycles we do, by all means ask us our stats and how many cycles we have under our belt. I just made the jump from 500mg/week of sust to 750mg. I cant even tell you how many cycles I've done. I have been doing this for almost 13 years, so my body requires a little more than most people do.

 

[satchboogie]

i'd say that 250mg is the miniumum.
500mg is the most you should do as a newbie!!

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Yeah, I've got to agree with satch on this one. 250 is the minimum, and you can make very good gains on it early on. Anything over 500 or 600 mg of test is a total waste for a newbie. It isn't going to lead to better gains, but will just cost more and cause more potental sides.

Lat, also true. Newbies read the posts and think, wow 750 mg of test, 600 mg eq and 75 mg of tren ed looks like a great stack! When he is reading a post written about a cycle someone is 3 weeks into who is 235 and has 8 years of steroid experience.

 

[bilabong1973]

ok so my first cycle ever I was going to run sust / eq for 10 weeks
sust-
weeks 1-4 @250mg
weeks 4-7 @500 mg
weeks 7-10 @250mg
eq
weeks 1-10 500mg
Is that wrong to bump up to 500mg once the effects levels are adequate?

 

[bigerisbetter]

No need to up the dose of sust. If anything the dose should be higher the first couple of weeks to get build up. Do 500mg/week of sust for 10 weeks. No need for the EQ. You do not need a gram a gear/week for your first cycle. With proper diet and training you could easily gain 25lbs with sust alone and with proper post cycle therapy you could keep ~20lbs.

 

[bilabong1973]

what is the theroy behind the pyramid effect with sust then?