Newb first cycle

[ziggyziggy]

I looked among the threads here, but was unable to find the answer I was looking for. Currently I am 5' 8.5", about 218lb, 16%bf. I have been using only creatine and good training/proper stretching and rest up until now. The problem is that I waould like to lose as much bodyfat as possible. I was thinking of running a 12 week cycle as follows:

1-12 Test-E 250mg 2X/week
1-12 T3 using a short ramp up and long taper down
clen 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for the entire cycle
1-12 nolva 20mg ED

Then proper Clomid/Nolva therapy for 4 weeks after.

For a first cycle, is this going to be too much? Any input would be welcome!

 

[shamrock11]

Ok! How far apart are the test injections going to be? You shouldn't need to take the nolva through out the cycle, just have it on hand in case signs of gyno. start. The use time of clen looks good, but what doses are you going to take. Do you plan to continue the creatine during the cycle? I would advise against it since creatine makes you retain water and that will make the leaning process a bit harder. Haven't heard much about t3 so I can't comment there.

 

[ziggyziggy]

Ok! How far apart are the test injections going to be? You shouldn't need to take the nolva through out the cycle, just have it on hand in case signs of gyno. start. The use time of clen looks good, but what doses are you going to take. Do you plan to continue the creatine during the cycle? I would advise against it since creatine makes you retain water and that will make the leaning process a bit harder. Haven't heard much about t3 so I can't comment there.

Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear, as I was in a hurry to get into work this morning.

Cycke will look like this:
Week1-12: Test-E 250 mg injection , Sunday & Thursday, as I alreadt have extensive experience in giving intramusculsr injecions due having allergy shots for 17 rears.
Week 1-12: T3, beginning at 25 mcg/day, with a rapid ramp-up to 100 mcg/day, and then a long taper down back to 12.5 mcg per day. I am imaging doing a cycle of T3 that places ramp up to fat burning, while the Test-E and clen will help welp maintain lean muscle mass. Clen will be 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for the entire cycle, with an additional 2 weeks on during weeks 13-14.

Finally, PCT. I was thinking of 20 mg of Novaldex ED because I am prone to gyno, and in fact have a little left over from puberty. Do I need to do Clomid therapy as well?

Is this a decent cycle for a newb?

 

[BOOEY]

Dude, what the fuck. Spell check your shit

 

[pudding]

Dude, what the fuck. Spell check your shit

lol

 

[ziggyziggy]

Dude, what the fuck. Spell check your shit

Sorry about the spelling, I do not know how that happened .

Anyway, fixed the post with more detail. Please check it out and give me feedback if appropriate. Also, why do most people here always suggest some sort of Test as a first cycle?

 

[bigpoppa p]

I would not run T3 for 12 weeks bro, maybe 6. Also, if I were you I would throw some d-bol or winny in there for the first 6 weeks. The test wont start kicking in until about week 4. If you really wanted to do it right use test prop (its way cheap) EOD for the first 4 weeks. Only use the nolva if gyno or bloat shows up. PEACE

 

[ziggyziggy]

I would not run T3 for 12 weeks bro, maybe 6. Also, if I were you I would throw some d-bol or winny in there for the first 6 weeks. The test wont start kicking in until about week 4. If you really wanted to do it right use test prop (its way cheap) EOD for the first 4 weeks. Only use the nolva if gyno or bloat shows up. PEACE

OK, so Test Prop for weeks 1-4 in addition to test E for the entire 12 week cycle? This will be a first cycle, so I do not want to overdo it, if you know what I mean. So, is this waht you are suggesting?...

Week 1-12 Test-E
Week 1-8 T3
Clenbuterol 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for 14 weeks
Week 1-6 d-bol or winny, or should I put that in on weeks 7-12 if I do the Test Prop on weeks 1-4?

Again, I must be prone to gyno if I have a small amount left over from puberty, so navaldex is definately going to be on hand! I fihure that 4 weeks of clomid therapy after should suffice.

Tahnks again, and I appreciate any additional input!

 

[nsashbl01]

Bro, a test only cycle is a good start to gain size. But if you can't loose fat without gear, you'll never keep it off. Learn to eat clean and get lean. How long have you been training?

 

[ziggyziggy]

Bro, a test only cycle is a good start to gain size. But if you can't loose fat without gear, you'll never keep it off. Learn to eat clean and get lean. How long have you been training?

I have been an athlete since I was 8 years old (swimmer), I eventually went into triathalons and kickboxing. I have been lifting for 3 years hardcore, but recently had to take 6 months off due to having surgery on my right hip and knee after being hit by a drunk fvcking driver. 6 months sitting on your ass will cause bad weight gain, as I found out the hard way! I get lean pretty quickly by proper training and diet, but am looking for a way to add some (not an unrealistic) quantity of quality lean mass at the same time.

My diet is very clean now, and i have been contemplating using enhancement for some time now. Now in my mid-30's, i believe the time is right.

 

[ziggyziggy]

Bump

Input from anyone please?? Is 12 weeks on t3 too long for a cutting cycle, even with a long taper dowm at the end?

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

Yes dude 12 weeks is to much, maybe run the t3 the last 6 weeks of your cycle. I guess you could run 12.5 ED if you wanted I just prefer sticking to 6 weeks.
Instead of taking nolva ED during cycle stick with something like arimidex/liquidex. Should help prevent gyno and also avoid water retention. Blocking all the estrogen in your body (nolva) will hinder your gains some people believe.

Good luck, sorry to hear about the accident, fuckin sucks but at least ur back on the right track.

Your test dose looks fine, for your off weeks of clen you could throw in a thermogenic like T-Rex or something to keep the metabolism up.

I'm also curious as to what your diet looks like?

 

[ziggyziggy]

Yes dude 12 weeks is to much, maybe run the t3 the last 6 weeks of your cycle. I guess you could run 12.5 ED if you wanted I just prefer sticking to 6 weeks.
Instead of taking nolva ED during cycle stick with something like arimidex/liquidex. Should help prevent gyno and also avoid water retention. Blocking all the estrogen in your body (nolva) will hinder your gains some people believe.

Good luck, sorry to hear about the accident, fuckin sucks but at least ur back on the right track.

Your test dose looks fine, for your off weeks of clen you could throw in a thermogenic like T-Rex or something to keep the metabolism up.

I'm also curious as to what your diet looks like?

Thanx for the input, and i will take your advice under consideration, so as to aviod bloat. my diet is clean, and since I am not on gear, my caloric intake is about 2500 kCal/day, while lifting 5 days/week and doing 30-45 min of cardio every day per week. All calories are clean, much to the chagrin of my GF.

I figure that with the T3, I will need to up to 3500 - 4000 kCal/day to maintain weight while dropping BF. Weeks 1-8 on T3 sounds reasonable, while stacking Winny for weeks 9-12 to harden up sounds good also.

I really appreciate the input from everyone who is much more experienced than I am, as I am a serious newb. I have done a fiar amount of research, but any further input from people who have been there is appreciated greatly!

Cheers all!

 

[slat1]

Myself... I would run test ent for 10 weeks at 250mgs a week. Thats it. You don't need much for your first cycle. I did it at 200lbs and gained 20!!!

 

[ziggyziggy]

Myself... I would run test ent for 10 weeks at 250mgs a week. Thats it. You don't need much for your first cycle. I did it at 200lbs and gained 20!!!

I wouldn't mind using less if possible, so I will have to do some serious thinking about this over the next few weeks.

 

[Mikus]

Yes dude 12 weeks is to much, maybe run the t3 the last 6 weeks of your cycle. I guess you could run 12.5 ED if you wanted I just prefer sticking to 6 weeks.
Instead of taking nolva ED during cycle stick with something like arimidex/liquidex. Should help prevent gyno and also avoid water retention. Blocking all the estrogen in your body (nolva) will hinder your gains some people believe.

Good luck, sorry to hear about the accident, fuckin sucks but at least ur back on the right track.

Your test dose looks fine, for your off weeks of clen you could throw in a thermogenic like T-Rex or something to keep the metabolism up.

I'm also curious as to what your diet looks like?

I agree with that...Keep it simple! it's your first cycle. You probably won't even need the t3/clen though if you keep your diet clean

 

[bigpoppa p]

Slat is right. if this is your first cycle you would see nice gains at 250mg/week. Remember DIET is the main factor in any cycle. Eat clean and your results will be more solid. PEACE

 

[musclehealth]

Slat is right. if this is your first cycle you would see nice gains at 250mg/week. Remember DIET is the main factor in any cycle. Eat clean and your results will be more solid. PEACE

Do you guys think that he needs HCG? I was told its a must!

 

[slat1]

Do you guys think that he needs HCG? I was told its a must!

I use HCG and Clomid for ALL cycles. If I don't have it before hand.. I wait until I get it to start! I will never do one with out it. I really don't see the point!

 

[ziggyziggy]

Everyone, thanks again for all of the input. It now looks like I have settled on a Test-E cycle of 250mg/wk or Sust 250 250mg/wk for 10 weeks. I have not made my mind up yet about the T3/clen issue, but will do some more research over the next 2 weeks on it. Also, I will keep Nolva on hand as I am definately prone to gyno, seeing how I have a little left over from puberty. How long should I run PCT with HCG or Clomid after the cycle. I have read that 4 weeks is a usual run.

Again, thanks in advance for any input!

 

[ziggyziggy]

OK, I have finally finalized my cycle plans, please let me know what you think.

Sust 250 250 mg/week weeks 1-10

Clen weeks 3-4, 7-8, 11-12, each 2 week period cycled as folows
day 1: 20 mcg, day 2: 40 mcg, day 3: 60 mcg, day 4: 80 mcg, day 5: 80 mcg, days 6-12: 100 mcg, day 13: 80 mcg, day 14: 60 mcg
dosages will only be increased on that schedule as long as the side effects are tolerable

ECA stack on weeks 5-6, 9-10

T-3 weeks 7-12, cycled as follows (using 25mcg tabs), by number of tablets/day:
1/2/3/days 4-20=4/3/3/3/3/3/3/2/2/2/2/2/2/1/1/1/1/1/1/0.5/0.5/0.5/0.5

liquidex 0.25mg ED

Nolva on hand, just in case!

3 weeks after last Sust injection (PCT):
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

I may throw some HCG into the middle of the cycle, 500 - 1000 iu per day for 1-2 weeks, in order to keep the boys from shrinking too much, and to make sure PCT goes smoothly later.

So, any critiques or suggestions? This is my first cycle.

 

[ziggyziggy]

Oh yeah, I will be coming off of the creatine for the cycle.