New Trend in Medicine - go to India for treatment

[Lao Tzu]

You guys should at least read the book healthcare meltdown.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0911469222/104-5883173-0075906?v=glance&n=283155

It is interesting. May not be your thing but its a good way to stay fair and balanced, to get both sides of an issue.

 

[Lao Tzu]

sounds like those canadians are killing themselves up there with that shitty health care system. My PPO costs $1000 a month (paid for by employer) but its full service, I have 5 or 6 doctors, a primary, an orthopedist, a dermatologist, an ENT, and a pulmonary guy. They will even pay for accupuncture or physical therapy.

$1000 a month is still pretty high for a young, single healthy male like yourself. Most companies don't spend $1000/month for a family of four where the parents are in their 40s. Isn't that about 20% of your income? You can go on ehealthinsurance.com and get an A rated $500 deductible plan for about $130/month.

 

[Lao Tzu]

The pathetic part is that this is the same idiocy they want to saddle us with here in the US

Even if you don't like Canada's healthcare system ours is screwed up even worse. And the concept of having to wait in lines can be done away with with a 2 tier system of private and public care. Besides alot of americans travel to Canada, India, Thailand for healthcare too.

http://www.slate.com/id/2131601/


Businesses have to pay 4-10k per person for healthcare, making business growth slow and making us less competitive internationally against countries with single payer systems

Discontentment with our system is high, higher than in countries with a single payer system

We pay 50-100% more for healthcare than single payer systems like Canada and have results that are somewhat worse

1/3 of the public is uninsured or underinsured

Almost 1/3-1/2 of the american public gets their healthcare from the government anyway.


Our system is screwed up worse.

 

[Phenom78]

Bro

Don't buy the Unionized Companies propoganda. They are desperately trying to convince taxpayers to subsidize their errors. Their health care costs for retired employees alone is astronomical, so they're looking to all us shmucks to pay it for them.

Traveling for cost or elective procedures isnt the issue. No one here is traveling because otherwise they'd have to wait on line for 6 months to several years.

And we "pay more" for several reasons. Not the least of which is we wouldn't put up with the level of care they receive. They don't even have a basis for comparison. But doctors Ive spoken to, who are in the business of sellign equipment to these socialized medicine countries, are astounded at how far behind they are. They're essentially purchasing all our outdated crap.

And if you are going to start spouting uninsured numbers understand how they are tabulated. They include 10 million + illegals who are uninsured. They included those between jobs, as well as many young people who either choose to go without, or havent as of yet obtained it through work. Where to spend your money is an individual choice as well. I know plenty of people who chose to buy somethign else with their cash when they were young, making the conscious decsion that they wouldnt need health care that year.

And the fact that we already have medicare and medicaid tapping our tax dollars (and not uncoicncidentally adding to the high cost of health care in this country) is not a license to exacerbate the problem with more government provided care.

Even if you don't like Canada's healthcare system ours is screwed up even worse. And the concept of having to wait in lines can be done away with with a 2 tier system of private and public care. Besides alot of americans travel to Canada, India, Thailand for healthcare too.

http://www.slate.com/id/2131601/


Businesses have to pay 4-10k per person for healthcare, making business growth slow and making us less competitive internationally against countries with single payer systems

Discontentment with our system is high, higher than in countries with a single payer system

We pay 50-100% more for healthcare than single payer systems like Canada and have results that are somewhat worse

1/3 of the public is uninsured or underinsured

Almost 1/3-1/2 of the american public gets their healthcare from the government anyway.


Our system is screwed up worse.

 

[dawookie]

An ex girlfriend of mine would go to Costa Rica for any dental work, light cosmetic work, etc... but she got the boob job here..

I work with mostly asian and indian people and they often travel to indonesia or asia for surgery..

i dont think its too new of a trend tho

 

[milo hobgoblin]

Oh shit.. not this thread again.

All we need is Bluepeter and the circle will be complete.


All I can say about India is this.. If you guys had to work with any of our Indian offshore guys...

you wouldnt let em work on a paper bag with a whole roll of duct tape... if there is a term that would describe the exact opposite of thinking outside the box.. these guys are the poster children. And the scariest part is they were advertised as their best and brightest.

 

[Sassy69]

Just don't forget your malaria pills if u go to India...

 

[Lao Tzu]

Bro

Don't buy the Unionized Companies propoganda. They are desperately trying to convince taxpayers to subsidize their errors. Their health care costs for retired employees alone is astronomical, so they're looking to all us shmucks to pay it for them.

Traveling for cost or elective procedures isnt the issue. No one here is traveling because otherwise they'd have to wait on line for 6 months to several years.

And we "pay more" for several reasons. Not the least of which is we wouldn't put up with the level of care they receive. They don't even have a basis for comparison. But doctors Ive spoken to, who are in the business of sellign equipment to these socialized medicine countries, are astounded at how far behind they are. They're essentially purchasing all our outdated crap.

And if you are going to start spouting uninsured numbers understand how they are tabulated. They include 10 million + illegals who are uninsured. They included those between jobs, as well as many young people who either choose to go without, or havent as of yet obtained it through work. Where to spend your money is an individual choice as well. I know plenty of people who chose to buy somethign else with their cash when they were young, making the conscious decsion that they wouldnt need health care that year.

And the fact that we already have medicare and medicaid tapping our tax dollars (and not uncoicncidentally adding to the high cost of health care in this country) is not a license to exacerbate the problem with more government provided care.

Except for the part about aliens and the young voluntarily not getting healthcare none of those really strike me as good reasons to oppose UHC. And there is still a problem of working people who can't afford healthcare. Even that isn't really a good reason as spending 34-69 billion on healthcare for those people will cause 65-130 billion in economic growth. Alot of them are just assumptions from what I can tell. It is an assumption that prices are going up due to gov. intervention and an assumption to assume we pay more because we have better care. Your assumption that care is inferior in those countries doesn't really strike me as true unless you prove it. England & Canada outscore the US on almost all health issues and the fact that they have UHC is considered one of the reasons. If the level of care they get is inferior, they'd have worse health than we do.

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_cast/uploaded_files/061703_iom_uninsurance.pdf

http://www.scielosp.org/pdf/rpsp/v14n1/16646.pdf

Those union workers, assuming they are over 65 will get medicare so its not really an issue. the only real issue is the 55-65 year olds who are semi-retired. And support for medicare is high, about 96%.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=32459

The medicaid/medicare part is because alot of anti-UHC believers feel we have a free system and them a socialistic system. That doesn't really add up when you consider that we pay more in taxes for healhcare than the Canadians do.

 

[Lao Tzu]

All I can say about India is this.. If you guys had to work with any of our Indian offshore guys...

you wouldnt let em work on a paper bag with a whole roll of duct tape... if there is a term that would describe the exact opposite of thinking outside the box.. these guys are the poster children. And the scariest part is they were advertised as their best and brightest.

Alot of those Indians are trained in the US and have worked in the US. The founder of one Indian hospital was a cardiologist in Manhattan from 1968-1988.

 

[Gambino]

what country can i fly to for a decent peni resizing?