New to the forums, few questions..

[sam4el]

Read the sticky on rules, I've been doing a lot of outside research(I.E. not on this site) and I decided to join and ask a few questions before I do anything.

I've never taken anything outside of protein/creatine and I've been working out for several years now. I'm currently sitting at 165-168 lbs, I'm 5'9-5'10, going on 23 years old and I don't know my body fat % but it is definitely under 15% but I've never gotten it checked. I'm not looking to put on too much weight so bulking on Anadrol or something is definitely not for me. I am, however, looking to put on at least a few pounds of lean mass and cut up nicely so I looked into Anavar.

Being my first cycle, I've read I should start with Test but I want little to no side effects. I know Anavar is expensive and is one of the cleanest(if not the cleanest). I know it's still toxic to the liver but I'm not much of a drinker so that shouldn't be an issue(plus I drink a lot of water)

My questions begin at:

1. I know it's all specific to your body, but what am I likely to gain on an Anavar only cycle?
2. How long should I cycle Anavar only?(I've read first cycles should be no longer than 12 weeks)
3. Is an Anavar only cycle effective for my purposes?
4. I've been told and I've read that I should be taking 20-40mg ED, is this ideal for my body weight and what I plan to do?
5. I don't want injectables and I don't want many side effects, if I HAD to stack(with another oral) which one would be ideal?(I've read Winstrol and Primo are similar to Anavar)
5. Is PCT required for an Anavar only cycle?

I appreciate everyone's time and I am grateful to those who respond with advice.

 

[shibs]

hey bro at 165lbs you don't need steroids, you need a better diet/workout routine. that's way too small. trust me you could get up to 190 by tightening up your diet and workout. steroids aren't for you quite yet.

 

[zedhed]

^^^Hey sam I know not what you wanna hear but shibs is tellin you str8 up man.^^^
Ahd he is right on the money.
And oral only cycles are not really cost productive.
You might post your diet and workout specifics for more help.

 

[thelocal]

man listen to these people they are right,u can be 190 by 2months time natty

 

[C0LUMB0]

Welcome to the site bro and well done for reading the rules first - you have definitely come to the right place. !

A good bulking diet will definitely move you off the 160lb range and we can look at AAS after that.
post up your diet bro and lets take it from there.

 

[EZ_E]

Welcome to the site bro and well done for reading the rules first - you have definitely come to the right place. !

A good bulking diet will definitely move you off the 160lb range and we can look at AAS after that.
post up your diet bro and lets take it from there.

^^^ x 2

~EZ

 

[sam4el]

Diet consists of mostly see-food. I eat all the time, I'm hungry all the time, but I usually only eat lots of healthy cereals+non fat milk, fruits and almonds. Dinner is the only thing that varies and is always semi-healthy at least(usually contains meat), also 2 protein shakes on workout days, 1 whey right after and one casein before bed.I work out 5x a week doing monday-chest tuesday-back wednesday-shoulders thursday-legs and friday-bi/tri. My workouts range from 30-60 mins and I include 5 minutes walking at 3.5mph before and after the session. I've been up to 180 before but it was a slightly dirty bulk. I don't want to get too big, so 190 as mentioned above is too much(IMO). The max I'd like to weigh is 180 at about 8-10% body fat. Problem is I've been sitting at 165ish for several months now with no change even though I'm lifting the same or higher weights that I did at 180.

 

[EZ_E]

Diet consists of mostly see-food. I eat all the time, I'm hungry all the time, but I usually only eat lots of healthy cereals+non fat milk, fruits and almonds. Dinner is the only thing that varies and is always semi-healthy at least(usually contains meat), also 2 protein shakes on workout days, 1 whey right after and one casein before bed.I work out 5x a week doing monday-chest tuesday-back wednesday-shoulders thursday-legs and friday-bi/tri. My workouts range from 30-60 mins and I include 5 minutes walking at 3.5mph before and after the session. I've been up to 180 before but it was a slightly dirty bulk. I don't want to get too big, so 190 as mentioned above is too much(IMO). The max I'd like to weigh is 180 at about 8-10% body fat. Problem is I've been sitting at 165ish for several months now with no change even though I'm lifting the same or higher weights that I did at 180.

Can you post each meal in a typical day? For example 8am this, 10am this, etc

Also, I think 5 days in a row is over training and counterproductive, rest = grow, maybe switch to 2-3 days on, day off...

~EZ

 

[sam4el]

Well I do sleep about 10-12 hours a day. I'm not working as of now so I have a lot of free time. I figured with 10-12 hours of sleep everyday that would be sufficient rest to work out 5 times a week. Maybe I should split the days off then? Workout Mon/Tues, break Wed, work out Thurs/Fri, break Sat and start over? Because I'm waking up at random hours of the day, meal times mean nothing. Essentially, I eat a large bowl of cereal every few hours. It equals roughly 400-500 calories with 20+g of protein. Dinner is the random factor but consists of homemade food.(burgers, pasta, meatloaf, veal, chicken)

 

[EZ_E]

Well I do sleep about 10-12 hours a day. I'm not working as of now so I have a lot of free time. I figured with 10-12 hours of sleep everyday that would be sufficient rest to work out 5 times a week. Maybe I should split the days off then? Workout Mon/Tues, break Wed, work out Thurs/Fri, break Sat and start over? Because I'm waking up at random hours of the day, meal times mean nothing. Essentially, I eat a large bowl of cereal every few hours. It equals roughly 400-500 calories with 20+g of protein. Dinner is the random factor but consists of homemade food.(burgers, pasta, meatloaf, veal, chicken)

If you're not working right now you have enough time to train and diet properly (I envy you)

I prefer to train 2-3 days on, day off, that means you train some combo of 7 days every week...2-3 months on, week off too...

You need a set eating schedule, every 2.5-3 hours...large bowl of cereal is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much sugar...depending on the cut of meat & how they're prepared burgers and meatloaf a probably not good choices, especially since most meatloaf has breadcrumbs....do the burgers have buns? White pasta? again too much sugar...

Any carbs? Vegetables? Water?

~EZ

 

[sam4el]

Yes, buns, white pasta. I remove any fat that is visible on any cuts of meat. Meat is prepared at medium rare. Burgers are done so they have a slight redness to them inside. Meatloaf and burgers made from 100% lean beef. The cereals I'm eating contain between 5-15g of sugar tops(per "recommended" serving). High in fiber, protein and vitamins. Is there anything I can eat that is healthier than cereal but just as easy to make? And perhaps in the same price-range or lower?

Hell if it's that bad I might as well just eat a double cheese burger from McDonald's every 3 hours then.

**Edit**
Not a vegetable fan. I'll get some onions, potatoes, tomatoes and some lettuce here and there. I drink at least a liter of water everyday(not including other liquids) and when I remember to drink water, I'll have at least 2 liters.

 

[EZ_E]

Yes, buns, white pasta. I remove any fat that is visible on any cuts of meat. Meat is prepared at medium rare. Burgers are done so they have a slight redness to them inside. Meatloaf and burgers made from 100% lean beef. The cereals I'm eating contain between 5-15g of sugar tops(per "recommended" serving). High in fiber, protein and vitamins. Is there anything I can eat that is healthier than cereal but just as easy to make? And perhaps in the same price-range or lower?

Hell if it's that bad I might as well just eat a double cheese burger from McDonald's every 3 hours then.

**Edit**
Not a vegetable fan. I'll get some onions, potatoes, tomatoes and some lettuce here and there. I drink at least a liter of water everyday(not including other liquids) and when I remember to drink water, I'll have at least 2 liters.

Buns, white pasta, white rice, white potato = sugar...what else are you putting on the burger? WHat else is in the meatloaf besides the meat (breadcrumbs?)

I don't really see much benefit to eating that much cereal...chicken/turkey on the George Foreman Grill is beyond easy...

You're also dehydrtaed, 1-2 liters of water a day isn't enough, you need to drink more even if little by little...I'm not a fan of a lot of things....but vegetables are a necessary part of the puzzle, ot every meal every day but they gotta be in there...

~EZ

 

[Zyglamail]

Ditch the cereal and eat some real food. And why nonfat milk? Please dont tell me to reduce fat since you followed that up saying you eat almonds. Fat isnt the enemy as long as its good fat, like from almonds and whole milk. Crappy Calories from cereal is the enemy.

 

[sam4el]

Yes to reduce fat. I understand good fats aren't the enemy but too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. Since I consume 1-2 liters of milk daily, if that was 2% milk or so, my fat intake would be way too high. Eating almonds lets me monitor my healthy fat intake easier. What if I were to switch cereal for oatmeal? I know I have plenty of time to make proper meals, but I'm pretty lazy so I need something that's as easy as pouring and I'm good to go or as easy as making a sandwich(6 times a day haha)

Besides all that, let's say I was inclined to cycle anavar anyway. How long would an anavar only cycle be? And is PCT recommended for an anavar only cycle?

 

[EZ_E]

Yes to reduce fat. I understand good fats aren't the enemy but too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. Since I consume 1-2 liters of milk daily, if that was 2% milk or so, my fat intake would be way too high. Eating almonds lets me monitor my healthy fat intake easier. What if I were to switch cereal for oatmeal? I know I have plenty of time to make proper meals, but I'm pretty lazy so I need something that's as easy as pouring and I'm good to go or as easy as making a sandwich(6 times a day haha)

Besides all that, let's say I was inclined to cycle anavar anyway. How long would an anavar only cycle be? And is PCT recommended for an anavar only cycle?

Then you'll get no more advice...

~EZ

 

[gymjunkie09]

Yes to reduce fat. I understand good fats aren't the enemy but too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. Since I consume 1-2 liters of milk daily, if that was 2% milk or so, my fat intake would be way too high. Eating almonds lets me monitor my healthy fat intake easier. What if I were to switch cereal for oatmeal? I know I have plenty of time to make proper meals, but I'm pretty lazy so I need something that's as easy as pouring and I'm good to go or as easy as making a sandwich(6 times a day haha)

Besides all that, let's say I was inclined to cycle anavar anyway. How long would an anavar only cycle be? And is PCT recommended for an anavar only cycle?

if you are lazy then you've may have chosen the wrong hobby lol

 

[sam4el]

Lol. I'm not too lazy to work out. I'm never too lazy to go to the gym, I go 5x a week for that matter. But I know that's only half the battle. Diet and rest is the other. The problem with diet is that, this may sound odd but, I have no motivation to make food. I like quick fixes for food. That's why I've been eating cereal but I was under the impression it was good for me. But hey, thanks a lot for your advice