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auto14972

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Hey what’s up guys I’m new to this site so I just wanted to introduce myself and give a little background information.

Age: 27
Height: 5’6”
Weight: 177
BF%: around 10%
Training Experience: 5-6 years
Goals: Finish up cutting then put on some solid muscle.

I started out really fat and really weak. Weighed about 235 lbs. I was sick of being fat so I started eating right and training. Got stuck on the on “losing weight” and dropped to 130 lbs, losing what little muscle I had. I was looking to get a 6-pack and thought if I just lost weight I would get it. At this point I realized there was more to it and if I ever wanted to reach my goals I’d have to put on some muscle. I corrected my diet and training and gained some muscle over the next few months. Right around this time superdrol (a legal/grey market oral steroid) came out. I read up on it and decided to use it. It was a stupid move b/c I could have easily made the gains without it. I learned from this and kept training for a while. Later on looking for that quick edge I used it again. After this I was done with it forever. I decided if I was going to use steroids it would only be a traditional AAS with research backing it. Then my friend gave me a bottle of Tren. It looked like some shit made in some kids basement. I didn’t trust it at all, not too mention tren really wouldn’t be a good choice for a first time AAS user, so I just trashed it (I contemplated selling it, but my conscious wouldn’t let me sell something that I didn’t think was safe). At this point I decided it was best to wait until I could get something from a reliable source and I just continued to lift and train and learn more. About 2 months ago I bought myself Anabolics 2007 and have been reading over this book. I also have been browsing different forums, which has led to an overall high amount of conflicting information. This pretty much brings you all up too speed on where I’m at (If you bothered reading this, LOL)

Also during this time I tried out pretty much every supplement you could imagine, some helped some didn’t.

Diet:
I usually eat 6 meals a day consisting of protein, complex carbs, and healthy fats. On wourkout days I have a post workout shake with carbs (simple and complex) and whey protein. My last meal be bed is cottage cheese, peanut butter, and veggies.
Here are my usual calorie sources
-protein sources (steaks, chicken, tuna, lean ground beef, whey protein, fish, egg whites/whole eggs, and skim milk)
-complex carbs (steel cut oats, sweet potatoes, brown rice…)
-Veggies (broccoli, asparagus, spinach, salads)
-healthy fats (avocados, almonds, fish oil, natural peanut butter, whole eggs)

Also lots of water

Workout Regimen:
Varies from 3-5 times a week depending on my time restrictions. Focused primarily on compound lifts.

Sleep:
I usually sleep 8-9 hours daily

Regular Supplements
Whey Protein
Fish Oil
Multi Vitamin
Creatine (won't use once my cycle is started)
MACA (won't use once my cycle is started)
***Then I’ll usually try out something new here and there***

Anyway I was thinking of using this for my first cycle (whenever I find a reliable source and after I finish cutting):
-Week 1-10 Test Enanthate 500mg/week
-Nolvadex *only if Gynocomastia or other estrogen related symptoms occur*
Or should I use Arimidex?

My cyle is still a little ways off but I've started playing around with some ideas for PCT. It's really frustrating trying to put together a solid PCT, there are just some many differing opinions floating around. Hopefully you guys can give me some added input. I will not start my cycle until I'm convinced that I've structured the best possible PCT for me

PCT #1
-Week ?-15 Nolvadex 20mg daily
-Week 12-15 Clomid (Day1 -> 300mg, Day 2-11 ->100mg Day12-21 -> 50mg )

PCT#2
-Week 12-16 Nolvadex 10mg
-Week 12-14 Clomid 100mg

PCT #3
-Week 12-16 40/40/20/20 Nolva
-Week 12-14 150/100/50 Clomid

***Still Debating: I'm still not sure if I'm going to include HCG. If I do it will be low dosed for a short period of time. Any opinions on this welcome***

Along with my multi vitamin, whey protein, and fish oil. I'll be taking these aditional health supplements. No real reason I'm just taking them for overall health.
-liv52
-AI cycle support (containing: Red Yeast Rice, Silymarin (milk thistle extract),NAC,Hawthorn Berry,Saw Palmetto,Policosonol,Celery Seed Extract,Nettle Root,Idebenone)

Anyway guys like I said I'm not in any hurry to start this cycle. I'm just trying to do some research and get some leg work out of the way. I won't start this cycle until I have my PCT decided, a reliable company for my Test E, all my PCT products bought and delivered, and basically until I feel like I'm totally ready to begin.

Thanks for any advice or criticism
 
Welcome!
 
Welcome. Congrats on the huge weight loss and life style change. I know it all too well myself.

and very well done being a 'newb' and doing your research first. This will go a long way with the vets around here. Shows you really want to know everything you can before jumping in... which unfortunately is not always the case.

Im not the expert here or the man to give professional advice, but I will say a TE500 (split into 2x 250 E3D) is a great place to start.

a light AI throughout would be a good idea. AIFM (found around here) would be a good choice and enough for most. or Aromasin. or arimidex.

HCG is not necessary, but would be a good way to kick start the testes (ouch. bad metaphor. lol) between your last shot and PCT. dosing varies from person to person. 500iu ED for 10-15 days is what I propose... I may be off a lil here though. again Im no expert.

IMHO I like PCT #3 the best.
-Week 12-16 40/40/20/20 Nolva
-Week 12-14 150/100/50 Clomid
altho Im betting Nolva alone would be suffice.


ok.. again.. Im not the authority here, but this is my opinion.

K to you for all the research and lifestyle change done BEFORE asking questions here.
 
excellent first post bro. The idea of a long acting test only cycle for your first is simple, efficient and perfect for a newbie. The PCT will be a cinch as well.
Solid 12- 15 week cycle of T-e at 500mg /week along with a high Protein mod carb diet will give you a nice lean gain. I wish I had an AI for my first cycle but wasn't much known about it 12 yrs ago.
AIFM is a good choice for your AI. Use it approx 1 spray ed for the duration of your cycle. Its a suicide inhibitor. It should keep any bloat at bay and hinder aromitization. Doesn't perform the same as a SERM (Nolv, Clomid).
PCT could be 40mg ed of Nolv for 2 weeks.
Have the HCG on hand just in case your nuts shrink to peanuts. Nolv (or Clomid) and HCG can help you recover your natty T production.
500mg /wk of T-e is rather so just see how it goes. If you are doing well you can play with the doages (750mg/wk or even a G/wk).

If you want to stack then a first cycle stack would be wks1-12 T-e and the final 4-5 weeks 50mg ed of Stanozolol (winny).
 
Ya, that was a very good first post. Wish mine would have been that intelegint and though out. It looks like you have a good handle on your diet which is most important. That's a good first cycle, it's obvious you did your homework.
 
Welcome
 
For PCT I would run HCG for 10 days straight @ 500iu's. It might not be necessary w/ that cycle but it definetley wouldn't hurt. Nolvadex 2-3 wks @ 20mg ed and clomid @ 50mg ed for 3-4wks should have you recovered nicely.
 
You have made some new friends I see.. :) more than I can say for most newbies around here.


"What should I do for my first cycle?"

lol. Read, diet and possibly workout for more than a month at a time.

You, my friend, have done just that. Good job. You will fit in well around here.
 
looking to lean said:
You have made some new friends I see.. :) more than I can say for most newbies around here.


"What should I do for my first cycle?"

lol. Read, diet and possibly workout for more than a month at a time.

You, my friend, have done just that. Good job. You will fit in well around here.
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All you have to do anymore is not suggest a dbol only cycle and have worked out more recently than 2yrs ago to get a little respect.
 
srf173 said:
All you have to do anymore is not suggest a dbol only cycle and have worked out more recently than 2yrs ago to get a little respect.
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damn it no dbol only? thats all I do... well all I did.... over two years ago when I worked out. :P
 
Welcome to the best AS forum on the internet! Be sure to do tons of reading and research before you start your next cycle...you'll be glad you did.
 
Thanks for the advice and warm welcome guys, it is really appreciated. There is so much conflicting information out there it can be truly overwhelming. It's nice that there is such a place as this where I can ask questions and can get reasurrance from those with more experience (which is pretty much everybody).

Also if anyone has any articles that might be helpful for me to read over please post them up.
 
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God damn welcome to EF, like everyone else said nice intelligent first post, need more like you to come around here.
I would personally go with your PCT#2, IMO I don't think you would need HCG but wouldn't hurt as said above. Everything else seems on great. Keep us updated when you do deciede to venture down that path.
 
looking to lean said:
Welcome. Congrats on the huge weight loss and life style change. I know it all too well myself.

and very well done being a 'newb' and doing your research first. This will go a long way with the vets around here. Shows you really want to know everything you can before jumping in... which unfortunately is not always the case.

Im not the expert here or the man to give professional advice, but I will say a TE500 (split into 2x 250 E3D) is a great place to start.

a light AI throughout would be a good idea. AIFM (found around here) would be a good choice and enough for most. or Aromasin. or arimidex.

HCG is not necessary, but would be a good way to kick start the testes (ouch. bad metaphor. lol) between your last shot and PCT. dosing varies from person to person. 500iu ED for 10-15 days is what I propose... I may be off a lil here though. again Im no expert.

IMHO I like PCT #3 the best.
-Week 12-16 40/40/20/20 Nolva
-Week 12-14 150/100/50 Clomid
altho Im betting Nolva alone would be suffice.


ok.. again.. Im not the authority here, but this is my opinion.

K to you for all the research and lifestyle change done BEFORE asking questions here.
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Thank you, my weight was a problem for a long time, I went from being overweight to practically underweight and I'm glad to have finally put that in my past.

Well it seems that most are recommend using an AI during my cycle. Is this something you recommend through the whole cycle or would it be something I could use during the second half of cycle. I seen recommendation for low doses of arimidex ED or EOD.

I too was thinking that I could probably get away with not using HCG given the length and relative low dose of my planned cycle. But the more I think about I'll probably just try to locate and pick some up anyway. Then just keep it onhand just incase any problems arise. I mean considering my future and most likely longer cycles (I'm assuming I'll be doing future cycles after this one) will need HCG so I mine as well pick it up now. If I do use the HCG this time around it will probably be for 10-16 days.

So one vote for PCT #3 ;)
The reason I planned on going with both was based solely on the fact of never really seen any disadvantages to this plan and really all I see is a possible upside to using them in conjunction. The one problem I do noticed mentioned is there seems to be alot more side effects noticed with Clomid. Since I've used nolvadex in the past I figure if I do notice any side effects I'll be able to pinpoint them to clomid as the source. If this occurs I could then just proceed to taper off the Clomid and continue with my Nolvadex (this would be alright, correct?)
 
Awesome post great basis to get any advice I just started posting and I wish I had the patience to type out an intro like that guess my ADHD is a little to intense for that. Your base sounds good and you do have a good idea about pct I would use HCG cause it does have excellent benefits. Good Luck with the source be very cautious there are a lot of predators out there.
 
needtogetas said:
i know I am thinking the same thing you are bro :worried:
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I'm not sure I know what you guys mean :confused:

I don't consider myself a "noob" per se. Yes I've never ran a true cycle (as I mentioned in my first post I have used superdrol in the past) but I have read books, forums, and websites on possible cycles. Before reading up on AAS forums I used to browse other bodybuilding forums looking for information on supplements, diet, and workout routines. I've also worked for long period of time at supplement stores and still currently work part time at one.

If you wouldn't mind could you pm or email me on exactly what you're referring too. Thanks
 
They are reffering to the fact that your a "noobie" to the site and a "noobie" to actually using a real cycle... Take no offence man, every comment is said with respect towards you... you imo are ready to begin the journey.
 
MegaDesel said:
They are reffering to the fact that your a "noobie" to the site and a "noobie" to actually using a real cycle... Take no offence man, every comment is said with respect towards you... you imo are ready to begin the journey.
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Alright thank you. I just got a little confused there.

Thanks for clearing it up, I appreciate it.

This cycle isn't going to happen anytime too soon so keep the advice coming guys.

Thanks again
 
MegaDesel said:
They are reffering to the fact that your a "noobie" to the site and a "noobie" to actually using a real cycle... Take no offence man, every comment is said with respect towards you... you imo are ready to begin the journey.
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yup what he said. :)
 
auto14972 said:
Alright thank you. I just got a little confused there.

Thanks for clearing it up, I appreciate it.

This cycle isn't going to happen anytime too soon so keep the advice coming guys.

Thanks again
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welcome auto. you'll get some great advice here and people will joke with ya too at the same time, so don't have a thin skin. you'll know if they don't like you...... they'll just drops some bombs on ya. :)
 
iHulk said:
excellent first post bro. The idea of a long acting test only cycle for your first is simple, efficient and perfect for a newbie. The PCT will be a cinch as well.
Solid 12- 15 week cycle of T-e at 500mg /week along with a high Protein mod carb diet will give you a nice lean gain. I wish I had an AI for my first cycle but wasn't much known about it 12 yrs ago.
AIFM is a good choice for your AI. Use it approx 1 spray ed for the duration of your cycle. Its a suicide inhibitor. It should keep any bloat at bay and hinder aromitization. Doesn't perform the same as a SERM (Nolv, Clomid).
PCT could be 40mg ed of Nolv for 2 weeks.
Have the HCG on hand just in case your nuts shrink to peanuts. Nolv (or Clomid) and HCG can help you recover your natty T production.
500mg /wk of T-e is rather so just see how it goes. If you are doing well you can play with the doages (750mg/wk or even a G/wk).

If you want to stack then a first cycle stack would be wks1-12 T-e and the final 4-5 weeks 50mg ed of Stanozolol (winny).
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My diet will be high protein (chicken,fish,steak,lean ground beef) and high on complex carbs (steel cut oats, sweet potatoes....) along with mantaining my usually healthy fats. I find a react pretty well to this diet when bulking.

AIFM is a topical ATD with Dehydroepiandrosterone for cortisol and estrogen suppression correct? I've always been hesitant about ATD and I'm not sure how I feel about it during a cycle. If I remember I thought that that it causes a pretty quick estrogen rebound (but I think it was in reference to oral atd) but maybe since I would be starting my PCT directly afterwards this wouldn't be a concern? Also has anyone ever heard of or used topical formestane (an anit-estrogen and suicide inhibitor I bleieve)?

Are you suggesting only 2 weeks of Nolva for PCT? That seems like it wouldn't be nearly enough. Did I miss something?
 
I've never received an estrogenic rebound from AIFM. I've never heard from anybody receiving this from it either...and Aromasin too.

BMJ
 
needtogetas said:
yup what he said. :)
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Alright cool. At first I thought it was something bad, LOL

I'm just trying to start off on the right foot, so I just wanted to make sure everything was alright :)

Haha, don't worry ole farte' I have thick skin. You got to with the friends I have. :)

Looks like the first person who responded to my post got "bombed" or something?

Since I'm familiarizing myself with how this site works whats up with the karma points thing? I mean I understand if you agree with something someone says or if you just like their post you can give them Karma Points. But what does this mean?
"You have spent 0 of your daily 20 karma allowance for the last 24 hours"
I'm guessing it's how many karma points I can give someone?
^^^
There you guys go, that's a noob question for you all :)
 
Gday and welcome mate, wish I coulda intro'd meself in that sort of manner. lol I still wonder if people know im here.
Kinda like it that way.
Lot of info here to absorbe. suck it up, it might prevent u from saying something stupid. Well its worked for me so far.
Keep smiling, makes the world wonder what uve been up to! :)
 
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