Thanks for the info needto. So you think prop for only 8 weeks?..money really is no obstacle for the whole cycle and pct. I noticed no armidex or aromisin either for the pct...I will def utilize all the pct supplements you suggested but I'm also thinking some chemical help as well. What do you think is the best out of primo mast or equipoise? I wouldn't do tren now cuz of harsh sides and clen even freaks me out a bit