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rvd_brock

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Hey guys,

I'm thinking about starting my 2nd cycle in a month or so, and I was thinking the following:

500mg Test Enanth weeks 1-12
Deca weeks 3-12
Dbol weeks 1-4 (for the kick start)

I was also wondering which anti-e's would be the best. I want to keep off water retention, and obvioulsy gyno. Thanks, bros.

-rvd_brock
 
just curious why are you not doing deca to start with, it seams to me , if your adding d bal you should hit deca from week 1 or it almost seams pointless to add the d bal??? i dot know thats just me. if you did the deca wk 1 and 2 as well as d bal i think you'd like it ALOT more.
 
nevermind i am a idiot, your getting a 10 ml bottle of deca and it wonlt last 12 weeks. loll. well in that case i would do deca from wk 1-10 dbal wk1-4 and again wk10-15

and ethenate all the way around, but thats just me. end the deca wk 10- and have dabl to jump on, you'll see a suprising gain in strength and you'll feel great at the end of your cycle, you can also run it untill 3 weeks after your cycle becasue the deca will still be in affect and when your done with wk 15 you can go straight into clomid

wk 1-12 ethenate
wk1-10 deca
wk1-3 or 4 d bal
wk 10-15 dbal

Clomid to end it.

thats my recommendation
 
GawdsGift said:
nevermind i am a idiot, your getting a 10 ml bottle of deca and it wonlt last 12 weeks. loll. well in that case i would do deca from wk 1-10 dbal wk1-4 and again wk10-15

and ethenate all the way around, but thats just me. end the deca wk 10- and have dabl to jump on, you'll see a suprising gain in strength and you'll feel great at the end of your cycle, you can also run it untill 3 weeks after your cycle becasue the deca will still be in affect and when your done with wk 15 you can go straight into clomid

wk 1-12 ethenate
wk1-10 deca
wk1-3 or 4 d bal
wk 10-15 dbal

Clomid to end it.

thats my recommendation
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Thanks much for the recommendation, karma fer u. Also, what anti-e's should I run? I was thinking either A-dex or Novaldex every week. What do you guys think?
 
If your really prone to Gyno, run .5-1mg/D Adex or 10-20mg Nolva/D. In my experience though, taking Anti-E while "on" hinders my peak gains. IMO
 
Why are you starting the Deca on week 3? If anything it should be started a week earlier then the Enathate due to it's longer ester.
Arimidex seems to be the Anti-e of choice for those that use them. I however agree with lostlazy that at least in my case it hinders gains, and I'm not talking about strictly water retention. I'm not gyno prone at all so it's not a problem for me. But if you're inexperienced with test at the very least have Nolvadex "on hand".
 
My first cycle was 500mg sustanon per week, and it went well. I dropped about 5 lbs of fat and gained about 15 lbs of muscle. went from like 13%-->10%. I was trying to bulk, but my diet wasn't nearly enuf calories. Now, I'm eating like 4-5Kcal/day, and like 300g protein. So I'm hoping to put on like 20 lbs of lean muscle w/ this stack.

Also, what kind of dosing schedule should I use for A-dex/N-Dex? I know some of you guys say to do it all post-cycle, but what about if I want to completely prevent gyno. Like 50mg per week be ok? More/Less? Thanks.
 
I did the same first cycle.


If I were you, I'd skip the deca for this cycle. Consider hitting between 600-750 mg of test for 12 weeks.

Try 25-30 mg of d-bol per day for 4-6 weeks from the start. After several weeks off the bol, you might consider throwing it in again for the last weeks of your cycle untill the enanthate wears off.

I did this while using 1 mg of liquidex every other day. With no problems whatsoever.
 
lostlazy said:
If your really prone to Gyno, run .5-1mg/D Adex or 10-20mg Nolva/D. In my experience though, taking Anti-E while "on" hinders my peak gains. IMO
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Thats way too much adex to run: 1mg ED. No wonder anti-e's hinder your gains. Go with .5mg EOD to start and you should be fine.
 
So HERE'S THE FINAL CYCLE (Except Anti-E's.....so pleeease advice on that).

Week 1-12 enanthate
Week 1-10 deca
Week 1-4 d-bal 50mg
Week 10-14 d-bal 50mg

Week 8-14 500 iu's of HCG

Thinking of Clomid post. Any help w/ Anti-E's would be really appreciated.
 
That's a heavy dose of d-bol for a first time d-bol user. I get great gains from 20-30mg/day and I'm not realy one for small doses.
 
Ok how about this, then.

Week 1-12 enanthate 500mg per week
Week 1-10 deca 400mg per week
Week 1-4 d-bal 30mg per week
Week 10-14 d-bal 30mg per week

Week 8-14 500 iu's of HCG

Also, still need help w/ anti-e's.
 
Really I'd go with this:

Week 1-4 25mg dbol/day
Week 1-12 500mg enth/week
Week 1-10 200-300mg deca/week

Week 12-14 500 IU Hcg eod. (5000 IU total)
 
Post cycle:

Nolvadex 20mg/day
Creatine
Avena
Clen + Taurine
 
rvd_brock said:
Do I really need that much dbol?
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yeah man dbol dosages go by the day

25-30mg per day is sufficiant for a beginner

as jubei suggested, i will suggest the same, 25mg per day

anti e's:
ldex/.5 EOD through out cycle
novaldex in case of gino and for poost cycle

you should be good to go with that dose of ldex
 
Did he think you took dbol once per week?
 
Ok guys, thanks much for the info. Karma to u both.

One more question. How good is l-dex for countering water retention?
 
Very good, but not perfect.
 
OK SO HERE is my finalized cycle. I'll keep you guys posted as to my progress. I think I'll start in in early November:

..................Test Enanth......Deca...............D-Bol.............L-Dex

Week 1:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD
Week 2:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD
Week 3:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD
Week 4:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD
Week 5:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.......................0.5 mg EOD
Week 6:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.......................0.5 mg EOD
Week 7:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.......................0.5 mg EOD
Week 8:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.......................0.5 mg EOD
Week 9:.....500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD
Week 10:...500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD
Week 11:...500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD
Week 12:...500 mg EW......300 mg EW.....25 mg ED......0.5 mg EOD

Weeks 9-14 500 IU Hcg 2x / Week

Novaldex in case of gyno and for post cycle.

Lemme know all of your thoughts, etc. Thanks.
 
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