New Cycle-comments welcome

[Trenjamin]

Alright, first off not a noob but not near as experienced as many folks here. I'm putting together my next cycle and I'm looking strictly for mass here. I'm at about 225 lbs and am in the teen's for body fat, not sure exactly and don't really care at this point. Here's what I got planned, let me know your thoughts, advice is appreciated. Diet and training are consistent as I've been doing both for several years. Very common cycle but with all the ones I've done, I have yet to do this one as laid out.

I will do between 12-14 weeks.

Test E: 750 EW
Deca: 600 EW
Dianabol (kickstart) 50 mg ED for first 4-6 weeks.

hCG throughout at 500 iu's every 3 days

I have tamox, clomid, and adex on hand but don't plan to use any of them during cycle unless I need it, which I might with deca after a several weeks. It's a pretty simple cycle but I have it set at what I feel is effective doses and want to keep the pinning down to two needles a week this way to minimize scar tissue. Will also take Cycle Support or Cycle Assist for cycle support.

PCT: Tamox 40/40/20/20, DAA

 

[Texas Monster]

Your still a noob if you want to cycle deca and use nolva for your PCT.

Take your nolva and throw it away. That is what it is good for.

Decca only needs to be ran 10 weeks and that is it.

I would run npp instead because you get a quicker clearing time and can gain all the benefits of decca without the sides that come later.

Here is my ideal Nandralone cycle.

Week 1-12 Test c 500mg
Week 1-10 NPP 420 mg
Week 1-4 Tbol 40 mg
Week 9-14 Winstrol 60 mg
Week 1-10 caber .5 mg e3d
Week 1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Week 12-18 N2slin
Week 5-8 Hcgenerate
Week 7-14 HCG 500 ius
Week 1-14 N2gaurd

Week 15 PCT
Hcgenerate
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
Daa
PCT+Unleashed

19-22
Phytoserms 347
Bridge
DAA

 

[Trenjamin]

Your still a noob if you want to cycle deca and use nolva for your PCT.

Take your nolva and throw it away. That is what it is good for.

Decca only needs to be ran 10 weeks and that is it.

I would run npp instead because you get a quicker clearing time and can gain all the benefits of decca without the sides that come later.

Here is my ideal Nandralone cycle.

Week 1-12 Test c 500mg
Week 1-10 NPP 420 mg
Week 1-4 Tbol 40 mg
Week 9-14 Winstrol 60 mg
Week 1-10 caber .5 mg e3d
Week 1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Week 12-18 N2slin
Week 5-8 Hcgenerate
Week 7-14 HCG 500 ius
Week 1-14 N2gaurd

Week 15 PCT
Hcgenerate
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
Daa
PCT+Unleashed

19-22
Phytoserms 347
Bridge
DAA

Thanks for the info, however, I have had success with nolva including a previous deca cycle so I know it works for me, plus I've tried clomid and don't like it. I actually like torem the best of the three. I do have formestane on hand that I can add to my pct. As for the tbol, I'd rather have dbol but I will look into it more. The reason I didn't go with NPP is because I can only find it at 100mg/ml which would mean 5-6 cc's for that alone each week, more then double the standard deca. I like the caber and winny ideas and will add those in.

 

[Mekat]

what do u mean uve had "success" with nolva?? without getting bloods done u'll never know if uve actually recovered, even if ur dick starts working again,

..anyway look into (nolva and deca prolactin issues) its been discussed many many times, in this forum and others, and dont run this cycle without caber or prami.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

dont be a jackass bro. Nolva is garbage and can also cause blood clots. Not to mention if used with a nadrolone can cause some serious issues.

 

[Texas Monster]

Thanks for the info, however, I have had success with nolva including a previous deca cycle so I know it works for me, plus I've tried clomid and don't like it. I actually like torem the best of the three. I do have formestane on hand that I can add to my pct. As for the tbol, I'd rather have dbol but I will look into it more. The reason I didn't go with NPP is because I can only find it at 100mg/ml which would mean 5-6 cc's for that alone each week, more then double the standard deca. I like the caber and winny ideas and will add those in.

NPP first off does not have to be ran that high.

For NPP a good weekly dosage is anywhere from 350-420 mg a week.

That is 1ml eod if dosed at 100 mg / ml or 1.2 ml eod dosed at 100 mg / ml

So two bottles at 350 mg per week would last 6 weeks.

Three bottles at 420 mg would last 7 weeks

It is not that expensive and if you are complaining about cost you need to not be running hormones right now.

And Did you really recover fine with nolva? Did you know that nolva upregulates progesterone receptors and makes you more susceptable to rebound gyno during pct?

How much clomid were you running during PCT? If it was anything over 50mg then no shit you didnt like it because you were getting all the side effects with only the benefits of running a small dose such as 25 mg.

Did you know nolva does nothing to restore HPTA function?

Did you get blood work to confirm this?

And you ABSOLUTELY NEED EITHER CABER OR PRAMI WITH A 19 NOR NO EXCEPTIONS.

The cycle I laid out for you is legit and GTG with a nandralone.

I have had plenty of experience with DECA and can tell you this is the best way to run the compound.

But dont take my advice and keep running nolva in your PCT and keep feeling like shit and get gyno. No skin off my nose.

 

[joeblow12345]

Your still a noob if you want to cycle deca and use nolva for your PCT.

Take your nolva and throw it away. That is what it is good for.

Decca only needs to be ran 10 weeks and that is it.

I would run npp instead because you get a quicker clearing time and can gain all the benefits of decca without the sides that come later.

Here is my ideal Nandralone cycle.

Week 1-12 Test c 500mg
Week 1-10 NPP 420 mg
Week 1-4 Tbol 40 mg
Week 9-14 Winstrol 60 mg
Week 1-10 caber .5 mg e3d
Week 1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Week 12-18 N2slin
Week 5-8 Hcgenerate
Week 7-14 HCG 500 ius
Week 1-14 N2gaurd

Week 15 PCT
Hcgenerate
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Forma
Daa
PCT+Unleashed

19-22
Phytoserms 347
Bridge
DAA

This is gtg. I know some people refuse to let nolva go, but if you run pct like this you wont go back to nolva.

NTBM REP

 

[Trenjamin]

lol wow! What's with the hostility? I'm allowed to have my own opinion and ask questions when I run into conflicting information or things I don't understand. This is my body I'm doing this to so I'm the one that needs to feel comfortable with it. If you're going to be a dick then just don't post. For those who actually offered advice, I appreciate it. I've only done a few AAS cycles and am tired of playing with PH's.

TexasM, it was a higher dose that I ran the clomid at which could explain my aversion. I still have it and will try it out at the lower 25 mg/day. No tapering? BTW, I wasn't complaining about cost, I just don't like to pin 3-4 different locations at once every time. Thanks for the info on NPP, I don't know anything about that one so I'm still researching it.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

dont be a jackass bro. Nolva is garbage and can also cause blood clots. Not to mention if used with a nadrolone can cause some serious issues.

^^^ This not hostility this is facts.

 

[Texas Monster]

There is no need for tapering unless you are doing a milder cycle.

For 19-nors though you will need the 4 weeks at 25 mg

 

[Texas Monster]

^^^ This not hostility this is facts.

It is the weirdest thing how people come on here asking for advice then they get offended when we tell them they are wrong.

 

[Trenjamin]

It is the weirdest thing how people come on here asking for advice then they get offended when we tell them they are wrong.

I appreciate the advice but I won't subject myself to some e-punk (no, not calling you out) who has nothing to contribute but his own ego.

Back to the topic on hand, I'll try the clomid at 25mg throughout.

 

[training700]

Huh? He was giving you information and is legit.

Sent from my DROID3 using EliteFitness

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I appreciate the advice but I won't subject myself to some e-punk (no, not calling you out) who has nothing to contribute but his own ego.

Back to the topic on hand, I'll try the clomid at 25mg throughout.

You need to check your fucking attitude new guy. Go take your nolvadex and don't listen to people who know wtf they are talking about. My fucking ego? Enjoy your nolvadex blood clots.

 

[Trenjamin]

Huh? He was giving you information and is legit.

Sent from my DROID3 using EliteFitness

No, not texas monster I appreciated his advice, that was directed to the tool burn who thinks he's still in high school.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

No, not texas monster I appreciated his advice, that was directed to the tool burn who thinks he's still in high school.

Your obviously an ignorant douche bag as training 700 was referring to my advice to you. My origional post was meant as a monotone warning that nolva is horrible as these guys were trying to tell you. Don't be a jackass and listen to their advice. Obviously the word jackass makes you butt hurt. It it obviously applies as your acting like a cry baby. I'm sure AAS amplifies this personality trait in you. I feel for your family around you when you use it. Everyone here is looking out for your safety by telling you not to use nolva or to throw it in the trash or even not to be a "jackass" and use it. Your just like the stereotypical punks who post up about nolva and shitty pct and nolva with nandrolone without any research before hand and get pissy when those of us who see this same shit over and over every day get on your case about it. Who's the asshole using an estrogen blocker with a list of shitty side effects some of which can be very serious? Not me. Your obviously new to this shit and learning so far be it for those who have forgotten more than you currently know about it to get on your case about it. If I weren't so anti nolva for its harmful sides I wouldn't bother posting in regards to helping YOUR health "jackass" . Pardon my crass tone. I'll email you some tissues.

 

[Trenjamin]

Your obviously an ignorant douche bag as training 700 was referring to my advice to you. My origional post was meant as a monotone warning that nolva is horrible as these guys were trying to tell you. Don't be a jackass and listen to their advice. Obviously the word jackass makes you butt hurt. It it obviously applies as your acting like a cry baby. I'm sure AAS amplifies this personality trait in you. I feel for your family around you when you use it. Everyone here is looking out for your safety by telling you not to use nolva or to throw it in the trash or even not to be a "jackass" and use it. Your just like the stereotypical punks who post up about nolva and shitty pct and nolva with nandrolone without any research before hand and get pissy when those of us who see this same shit over and over every day get on your case about it. Who's the asshole using an estrogen blocker with a list of shitty side effects some of which can be very serious? Not me. Your obviously new to this shit and learning so far be it for those who have forgotten more than you currently know about it to get on your case about it. If I weren't so anti nolva for its harmful sides I wouldn't bother posting in regards to helping YOUR health "jackass" . Pardon my crass tone. I'll email you some tissues.

I would appreciate it if you would stop derailing my thread and take your emotionally charged negativity somewhere else. I wish you luck in all your future goals.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I would appreciate it if you would stop derailing my thread and take your emotionally charged negativity somewhere else. I wish you luck in all your future goals.

LOL....Thanks for your concern bro. Your one of the good ones.

 

[Ezskankens]

Lol.

 

[Trenjamin]

Alright, I made revisions to the cycle with your help and others. How's this layout?

Week 1-12 Test E 750mg
Week 1-10 Deca 600 mg
Week 1-4 Dbol 50 mg
Week 9-14 Winstrol 60 mg
Week 1-10 Caber .5 mg e3d
Week 1-14 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Week 7-14 HCG 500 iu's


Week 15 PCT
Clomid 25/25/25/25
DAA 3g/ed
PCT Assist

I also have Exemestane, I know some people prefer it over adex but not sure if that would be overkill.

Also, what's the general consensus on Bromocriptine for prolactin? I see that some people like it like Lyle Macdonald, and others hate it.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Hey buddy,

Run your caber at least two weeks past deca. It will hang around after you stop it. Caber(dostinex) does a better job than bromo. Exemestane is aromasin. It is better(nicer) than adex in most peoples opinion.
What is "pct assist" ? Pct is on the right track. You need more in there. Unleashed for increasing free T and phyto 347 would do you miles of good in raising your natural T back up. 2 shots of HMG would put your pct over the top if you have access to it.

 

[Trenjamin]

Hey buddy,

Run your caber at least two weeks past deca. It will hang around after you stop it. Caber(dostinex) does a better job than bromo. Exemestane is aromasin. It is better(nicer) than adex in most peoples opinion.
What is "pct assist" ? Pct is on the right track. You need more in there. Unleashed for increasing free T and phyto 347 would do you miles of good in raising your natural T back up. 2 shots of HMG would put your pct over the top if you have access to it.

Awesome thanks, I didn't think to run the caber longer. Damn that stuff is expensive but beats getting gyno. SNS also has a new product out called inhibit p with p5p, vitex, and l-dopa. Would this be good to add in as well?

PCT Assist is by CEL, I have a bottle of it already that i bought last year but never ended up using. htt p://ww w. competitiveedgelabs. co m/p-c-t-assist/

I can replace the adex with aromasin. What's a good dose?

I'm not familiar with HMG? Looking into phyto and unleashed now.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Awesome thanks, I didn't think to run the caber longer. Damn that stuff is expensive but beats getting gyno. SNS also has a new product out called inhibit p with p5p, vitex, and l-dopa. Would this be good to add in as well?

PCT Assist is by CEL, I have a bottle of it already that i bought last year but never ended up using. htt p://ww w. competitiveedgelabs. co m/p-c-t-assist/

I can replace the adex with aromasin. What's a good dose?

I'm not familiar with HMG? Looking into phyto and unleashed now.

If you get caber from a research chem place like great white peptides or chemical need it shouldn't be as much as pressed tabs from a pharmacy. Aromasin should all be 25mg per tab of per ml if you get liquid. (liquistane) 12.5mg eod should be fine with the dose of test your running.
I have never heard of the SNS product you mentioned. If its got credible reviews maybe use it. But for prolactin I wouldn't mess around. Google HMG, read up on it. If you can find it its a real killer to have in pct.

 

[Trenjamin]

If you get caber from a research chem place like great white peptides or chemical need it shouldn't be as much as pressed tabs from a pharmacy. Aromasin should all be 25mg per tab of per ml if you get liquid. (liquistane) 12.5mg eod should be fine with the dose of test your running.
I have never heard of the SNS product you mentioned. If its got credible reviews maybe use it. But for prolactin I wouldn't mess around. Google HMG, read up on it. If you can find it its a real killer to have in pct.

Yeah it was 25mg tabs. I got a pill cutter so I can make it 12.5 easily enough. I would make you proud as I did look into tamox and it seems that it's a terrible idea to use it with 19nors like deca and tren. I just have done a lot of oral ph's and used nolva and was fine, which is why I assumed the crossover would be similar but was wrong.

I already bought the caber but I will def look into research chem sites first next time. I don't see much of anything on the Inhibit P but I think it's still too new as well. I wouldn't trust it alone for something like this but I guess I really don't need it if I'm using dostinex already. I looked up NTBM phyto347 and it basically looks like stinging nettle, divanil, and bulbine for ~$150. I'm sure it's much less at retailers though. I have a few natty test boosters that I can throw in like Activate Xtreme. The unleashed looked pretty good though. I'll look more into HMG. I've always like SAM-E too but what's the thought on this?