NervousNewbie...Needs Advices...

[AlexDavey]

Hello, ive posted this elsewhere, but would like to see your guys opinion...

I need some *advices* !

When I was 21, i started working out, and decided to jump straight into anabolic steroids. I then decided that i was not in fact, a retard, so proceeded to experiment with my body naturally. Well, i managed to gain 56lbs of (mainly) muscle, and then lose it all again (on purpose), just by manipulation of diet and exercise.

Now im very average in stature. Im 5ft10, weigh 150. and have 6% bodyfat (i believe this to be inaccurate, as it was done with an electric machine, and im sure i carry more fat that that, or maybe its just water...)

I am interested in a much leaner, harder psysique, i have NO intention of becoming bigger, i want quality not quantity. The most i would want to gain is 6lbs...

I have thought about doing this naturally, it would not be too much of a problem as my diet exercise ritual is pretty decent (ie i eat every 2 hours, mainly fish - with turkey, and red meat thrown in with lots of veggies and salad etc, working out cardio AM and weights PM) but i realise that with my body type, i would not be able to become as lean and hard as i would with anabolics. Plus were i to be assisted it would happen a lot quicker.

Anyway, with these goals in mind, i have managed to gain access to some British Dragon Primobol. The question is, are these reputable or would it have been made by a guy with a bathtub...and would a ONE month cycle of this (250mg per week) be of ANY use, even if it were just to see if i enjoy the *lifestyle*...

I can also get my hands on various products, including Winstrol (25mg per tab), would this be better, should i stack the two, dosages, one month long enough etc !!!

I know a lot of people reading this, cant wait to type *USE TESTOSTERONE YOU PUSSY!*, but please DONT, REMEMBER i want minimal QUALITY gains with LITTLE or NO sides!

Thanks guys, i really appreciate your help here!!!

 

[krishna]

Winny alone is good for lean quality gains. Just curious, why would you lose 56 pounds of muscle on purpose?

 

[Bruce]

winny only or anavar only, winny makes joints hurt real bad for a lot of us, whereas anavar strengthens the tendons and joints. now if you really only want 6lbs anavar is plenty but you need to run it at a high dose of 50 preferably 75mg ed which could be pricey. primo needs to be run at 400-600 a week, so 250 is a waist. your other choice could be tbol for 4 weeks and you would definitely put on 6 lbs and then run pct. British Dragon is one of the best products around period. anvavar and tbol are both orals, and no tbol is not dbol it promotes quality gains not. if you are set on injecting then do winny 50mg ed, but it will hurt your joints, or even eq at 400 a week, but then your looking at 12 weeker with eq.

 

[digit0x]

Prepare to be trashed bro. The guys here arent cruel, but they speak the truth. Nothing your saying really makes any sense... Why lose 56 pounds intentionally? 4 weeks for a cycle? You claim to know nutrition, and regular workouts, but you haven't leaned out? uhm... 6 pounds? You don't need anabolics of any kind to do this. Lots of cardio in the gym with some egg whites will thin you up fast. Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound confused. To be at least slightly helpful... I would put away the primobol and maybe get some clenbuterol, IF that.

 

[smaretick]

winny only or anavar only, winny makes joints hurt real bad for a lot of us, whereas anavar strengthens the tendons and joints. now if you really only want 6lbs anavar is plenty but you need to run it at a high dose of 50 preferably 75mg ed which could be pricey. primo needs to be run at 400-600 a week, so 250 is a waist. your other choice could be tbol for 4 weeks and you would definitely put on 6 lbs and then run pct. British Dragon is one of the best products around period. anvavar and tbol are both orals, and no tbol is not dbol it promotes quality gains not. if you are set on injecting then do winny 50mg ed, but it will hurt your joints, or even eq at 400 a week, but then your looking at 12 weeker with eq.

I agree...if you're looking for a short cycle with quick gains try tbol...but if you go with orals, do some research on protecting your liver & PCT. To attempt to gain only 6lbs you should be able to do that naturally by manipulating your diet (i.e., increasing your protein, carbs).

 

[Apexx]

why the fuck would you want to lose 56lbs of muscle on purpose?????

 

[ruggermu]

Yeah bro I also can't figure out why you would loose muscle on purpose
(we must have different goals).

 

[Bruce]

by the way i in no way feel u should touch anabolics, as it is apparent you could put on that 56 natty, and not to mention as said above you could put on 6 natty fuck even 12, so my cycles are just non biased answers to your question, but i don't think you should be using anabolics, sounds like you want a quick easy 6 pounds, nothing is easy, and your spending all that money on gear and ancillaries and anti e for 6 weeks, just bad idea.

 

[smaretick]

by the way i in no way feel u should touch anabolics, as it is apparent you could put on that 56 natty, and not to mention as said above you could put on 6 natty fuck even 12, so my cycles are just non biased answers to your question, but i don't think you should be using anabolics, sounds like you want a quick easy 6 pounds, nothing is easy, and your spending all that money on gear and ancillaries and anti e for 6 weeks, just bad idea.

How true...as I stated previously, you should be able to gain 6 lbs naturally.

 

[bw1]

Average? 5'10" 150? If you only want 6 lbs, you could do that natty. Why 6? Why not 5 or 10? I don't get the 56lb muscle loss thing either. Doesn't make sense

 

[tommy39]

You know i have heard alot of newbies talk about not wanting alot of muscle. I think you might believe you are going to blow up and be huge overnight using a reg. cycle. That wont happen unless you are dialed in on diet and training. And using a good cycle not just a 6lb gainer. Do you think someone might think your on roids? Unless you want to put on some worthwhile size i recomend supps. and plenty of food. Why even use a tad of drugs? Think about what you really want.

 

[Synpax]

Hi,

Your post makes little sense, but here's some advice.

You are a skinny dude, first of all, and you probably don't have much muscle. Just start counting your calories, aim for about 2800 (30 protein, 50 good carbs) and drink a lot of water and lift lift lift. You will gain 6 lbs within about 6 months - 6 lbs of muscle.

Don't mess with roids, you don't know what you are doing naturally.

 

[AlexDavey]

Thanks for the responses guys... Heres the deal...

I did put on all the weight mentioned naturally, and then i lost it all on purpose. For starters, i realised i was uncomfortable at that weight. I was pushing 200lbs, and at 5ft 10 with the frame i have (pretty small), was carrying too much weight. Also, I was, as i mentioned, only experimenting too see what my body could do naturally, so i upped the cardio and lifted a lot lighter with higher reps. I was doing this Monday-Friday, Cardio-AM, Weights-PM. My diet was VERY strict. I lost all the weight i had gained, and now feel more comfortable the way i am...Right now, im pretty average. My experimenting naturally is done and dusted, its been years in the making, man, ive paid my dues!

HOWEVER, i would like to improve the QUALITY of my physique. Although i CAN gain muscle naturally, the quality of physique is not where i would like it. I do not in ANY WAY, want to be a big bodybuilder. Becoming huge is not a priority for me. This is why i opted for Primo. I thought at 250mg per week for 8 weeks I would get a minimal, quality gain, and tighten up the whole package. I also thought this of Winny, but decided after A LOT of research that it may be too detrimental.

Im still under the impression that im hoing to have to experiment with my own body to see how I react, everyone is different, i know. I really appreciate constructive advice, im not a 16 year old boy who has to see results TODAY, however, im not a *naturalist* who subscribes to the theory of *oh, you can get the physique you want naturally, it just takes longer*. I think this is, to put it bluntly, a load of old shit!

AS for Anavar suggestions, from what i remember its 17AA, which im not keen on. If i didnt mind 17AA, i would head for the good old Winny. Clen is always possible i suppose, maybe i should give that a shot...

Anyways, thanks again guys, i really appreciate the time you take to help a dude out...

 

[Bruce]

bro all orals are the 17AA. anavar is probably the safest steroid you could use, winny is way harsher on your liver,

 

[bw1]

bro all orals are the 17AA. anavar is probably the safest steroid you could use, winny is way harsher on your liver,

Oral primo is not a c17. You are correct, Anavar seems to be very mild and well tolerated by the liver. I still think he can get what he's looking for natty, with clean diet and hard training. If he is going to run something I think primo or var would be good choices.

 

[AlexDavey]

Okay, granted anavar is only slightly toxic, but ive heard primo enanthate is not at all toxic. My question is, would 8 weeks at 250mg per week give me ANY quality gains, or would the minimum dose be 500mg per week. Bear in mind my stats, im no ronnie coleman here!!!

NOTE - Posts by people who have used primo enanthate would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[Bruce]

the answer is still no, primo is so mild it must be run 400-600 it is not test, if you wanna run an injectable i told you eq is fine at 400 a week you will get some quality gains, but for what you want anavar is the way to go, pct will be next to nothing, you will be harder more vascular and ripped up with high doses of var. u should really do it natty but i am done lecturing, eq or var buddy pick one, primo only if you wanna run it longer and higher but its a waster. anavar is given to children who have trouble growing, okay though it is hard on the liver i know of people taking it for 12 weeks without a prob on the liver, and dbol which is notorious for the liver is given to aids patients on a daily basis for long periods without liver damage, its good to care about the liver, but one oral at a time is ok if you don't drink

 

[chase152]

Feels like we are living in bizzarro world.

 

[AlexDavey]

Thanks for taking the time out to explain this to me Bruce. I got what you said loud and clear. Im gonna do a little more research of my own, no harm in waiting. Thanks guys...

 

[will b huge]

WOW, (Very Confused here?????)

You lost 56 pounds of natural muscle on PURPOSE......BUT NOW, want to use a drug to put back on 6 pounds of muscle??????

WHY DIDNT YOU JUST LOSE 50 pounds of MUSCLE instead of 56??????? or 45 pounds and then use your "Strict Diet" to harden up........Although, I find it VERY HARD to believe that you lost 56 pounds of muscle without being 3 percent body fat.....If you lost that much muscle, your fat would be GONE!!!!!!!

Once again, WOW....the most surprising post I have ever read........

 

[AlexDavey]

I gained it over 5 years of training, twice a days five days a week, and then lost it to see what my body was capable of attaining naturally. I also felt uncomfortable being that big, as i have a small frame.

I understand why you would be skeptical, but its the truth. Im not trying to convince you, it matters not whether you believe me or not. It just happens to be the truth.

Nowadays, im after QUALITY not quantity.

Thanks!

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

why the fuck would you want to lose 56lbs of muscle on purpose?????

he was training for his next movie

 

[digit0x]

"" Also, I was, as i mentioned, only experimenting too see what my body could do naturally, so i upped the cardio and lifted a lot lighter with higher reps. I was doing this Monday-Friday, Cardio-AM, Weights-PM. My diet was VERY strict. ""

ok..... so do this again only for less time.

 

[krishna]

WOW, (Very Confused here?????)

You lost 56 pounds of natural muscle on PURPOSE......BUT NOW, want to use a drug to put back on 6 pounds of muscle??????

WHY DIDNT YOU JUST LOSE 50 pounds of MUSCLE instead of 56??????? or 45 pounds and then use your "Strict Diet" to harden up........Although, I find it VERY HARD to believe that you lost 56 pounds of muscle without being 3 percent body fat.....If you lost that much muscle, your fat would be GONE!!!!!!!

Once again, WOW....the most surprising post I have ever read........

This guy's right bro. If you gained 56 lbs of muscle naturally, why do you want to take something just to gain 6 lbs? Sounds like you did just fine without gear. With the goals you have, gear is absolutely not necessary. There are risks involved with using AAS, and you would be doing yourself more harm than good. Discipline your diet and get that 6 pounds back. Should be cake for you. Why subject yourself to AAS if it's unnecessary?

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I don't buy the story...seems like either this guy is full of shit or just not giving the whole story. You can't tell half-truths to the bro here - it comes out like you are writing in bright red ink.

6' 150lbs? Need gear for a 6 lbs gain? Lost 56 lbs of natural muscle? WTF?


Bluesman

 

[mendo]

Not trying to flame you bro...but if you can gain and lose (??) 56 lbs of muscle on your own...you don't need steriods...or even advice for that matter...to get 6.

If I had to guess...I'd say you haven't been lifting for very long...but you want to try juicing anyway. You've read a few posts and know that we'll tell you to wait, learn, and get a solid foundation from good diet and training first...so you made up a story that YOU THOUGHT would make you sound experienced and ready for a cycle. It doesn't.

 

[AlexDavey]

Hello again.

So it seems that you guys think im full of shit!

Oh well. im not here to try and convince you, so im not even going to try!

The fact is i am telling the absolute truth, and feel there is no need to lie to people who COULD be 100lb school boys. It just confirms that i really need to try experimenting for myself, as everyone is different.

Thanks for taking the time to reply anyway,

Take care!

Alex.

PS None of you seem to understand that i couldnt get to the QUALITY of physique i wanted naturally, but nevermind, too late now!!!

 

[DIVISION]

Hello again.

So it seems that you guys think im full of shit!

Oh well. im not here to try and convince you, so im not even going to try!

The fact is i am telling the absolute truth, and feel there is no need to lie to people who COULD be 100lb school boys. It just confirms that i really need to try experimenting for myself, as everyone is different.

Thanks for taking the time to reply anyway,

Take care!

Alex.

PS None of you seem to understand that i couldnt get to the QUALITY of physique i wanted naturally, but nevermind, too late now!!!

I think you upset the forum, now they don't believe you!





DIV

 

[mendo]

Hello again.

So it seems that you guys think im full of shit!

Oh well. im not here to try and convince you, so im not even going to try!

The fact is i am telling the absolute truth, and feel there is no need to lie to people who COULD be 100lb school boys. It just confirms that i really need to try experimenting for myself, as everyone is different.

Thanks for taking the time to reply anyway,

Take care!

Alex.

PS None of you seem to understand that i couldnt get to the QUALITY of physique i wanted naturally, but nevermind, too late now!!!

Well I was 100 lbs...now I'm 44 lbs...but its very high quality!

 

[Bruce]

well u are obviously ahead of us school boys, faggot, u might wanna take up a career in pro boxing cause i am sure that the fighters would love to know how to lose 56 lbs of muscle by changing their workout regiment. palease you liar

 

[will b huge]

WOW, (Very Confused here?????)

You lost 56 pounds of natural muscle on PURPOSE......BUT NOW, want to use a drug to put back on 6 pounds of muscle??????

WHY DIDNT YOU JUST LOSE 50 pounds of MUSCLE instead of 56??????? or 45 pounds and then use your "Strict Diet" to harden up........Although, I find it VERY HARD to believe that you lost 56 pounds of muscle without being 3 percent body fat.....If you lost that much muscle, your fat would be GONE!!!!!!!

Once again, WOW....the most surprising post I have ever read........

didnt want to flame ya or call anyone a liar, but read the quote above and think about it????????????

 

[will b huge]

Hello, ive posted this elsewhere, but would like to see your guys opinion...

I need some *advices* !

When I was 21, i started working out, and decided to jump straight into anabolic steroids. I then decided that i was not in fact, a retard, so proceeded to experiment with my body naturally. Well, i managed to gain 56lbs of (mainly) muscle, and then lose it all again (on purpose), just by manipulation of diet and exercise.

Now im very average in stature. Im 5ft10, weigh 150. and have 6% bodyfat (i believe this to be inaccurate, as it was done with an electric machine, and im sure i carry more fat that that, or maybe its just water...)

I am interested in a much leaner, harder psysique, i have NO intention of becoming bigger, i want quality not quantity. The most i would want to gain is 6lbs...

I have thought about doing this naturally, it would not be too much of a problem as my diet exercise ritual is pretty decent (ie i eat every 2 hours, mainly fish - with turkey, and red meat thrown in with lots of veggies and salad etc, working out cardio AM and weights PM) but i realise that with my body type, i would not be able to become as lean and hard as i would with anabolics. Plus were i to be assisted it would happen a lot quicker.

Anyway, with these goals in mind, i have managed to gain access to some British Dragon Primobol. The question is, are these reputable or would it have been made by a guy with a bathtub...and would a ONE month cycle of this (250mg per week) be of ANY use, even if it were just to see if i enjoy the *lifestyle*...

I can also get my hands on various products, including Winstrol (25mg per tab), would this be better, should i stack the two, dosages, one month long enough etc !!!

I know a lot of people reading this, cant wait to type *USE TESTOSTERONE YOU PUSSY!*, but please DONT, REMEMBER i want minimal QUALITY gains with LITTLE or NO sides!

Thanks guys, i really appreciate your help here!!!

Hey, I thought you were going to update me....I wanted to know how you made out bro....Good Luck to ya

 

[locrian]

hey, i'm new too and i was considering primo as well. if you decide to take the plunge 400mg of primo a week for 10 weeks would be necessary to make it worth your while.