Nervous Newbie

[wildcat]

Hi=--

I am very interested in trying A.S. and have done my homework on all the different gear out there, but an still unclear on what would be the best entry-level cycle. As the title of my post states, I would like to stay away from the potentially more dangerous stuff.

Anyways, I am 22 years old, 5-9, 160 with a pretty-low bodyfat percentage. (Hadn't always been that way... a couple of years ago, I weighed 265 lbs, but lost that by exercising and eating right.... no ECA or AS to help). I just throw that in cuz I think i still have the genetics to be overweight, but i'm not sure....

Basically my goals are to get a good gain in the cycle without looking too bloated (d-bol, i understand does this...). I would like my muscles to be hard and i'd like to stay as trim as possible, but of course... that is the dream of every bodybuilder.

What should I stack with?

Deca sounds good, but the 18 months it takes to piss it out ain't so good.
SUS sounds like it's a great test mix, but how dangerous is it? should i be nervous about gyno?
What about winny, masteron, primo and EQ.

Can you guys suggest a few different stacks that would be good. (And I realize that I need to come off all of them with Clomid.)

thanks. wc

 

[The Ranger]

Sus 250 and a little EQ would go a long way for you....add a bit of clomid, nolva on hand in case, and you're off and running...not a pricy cycle either Bro...

Ranger

 

[ultragainz]

few stacks? ya i cna pull out a lot but here are some.....eq for 10 weeks at 300-400mgs.....if you take test 500-750mgs or 600mgs-400mgs.......deca at 300-400mgs....winny at 50mgs eod or ed.....know make a stack those are some example of how much to take..

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, it all depends on what your goals are, and how dedicated you are to achieving them.

I would think a killer stack with minimal/no bloat, with gains you can easily keep is something like winny/tren/eq/test.

Maybe like this:
Winny 50mg/day weeks 1-8
Test 250mg/week weeks 1-10
Eq 200-400mg/week weeks 1-10
Fina/tren 40-75mg/day weeks 6-12

The fina/tren should be out of your system relatively quickly, and those 2 extra weeks will allow the test and eq out. You could start the clomid the next week.

How does this cycle grab ya?

 

[MUSTANG_18]

All the cycles above would be good choices and with a good diet should yeild great results. E-Mail or PM me if you have any questions. Good Luck!

M18

 

[DTA]

Do the test of your choice (sustanon would be great) 500mg a week
Deca - 400mg/week

Do both for ten weeks and you'll see some really awesome gains. It's simple but very effective. If you're worried about water you can take 10-20mg of nolvadex a day. That's what I do and I don't put on much water weight. Plus you probably won't have to worry about any gyno, but at least have nolvadex on hand, and plenty of it. Also clomid of course, for afterwards.

 

[wildcat]

that last stack sounds alright, but what's the diff between doing test and SUS?

and I find it interesting that none of you mentioned Masteron..... do you all just think it's crap.

by the way... i would like to go (i dunno if i am dreaming) from my 160... to about 180... but cut!

 

[pgerardone]

If you bloat or not is more determined by how you eat then what steroid you use. I have used dianabol up to three weeks from a show and was shredded. Get some test, it is the most inexpensive and most effective as. Take 400-600 mg a week for 8-10 weeks and you should get great gains. Just make sure you use an anti-estrogen. In addition to preventing gyno anti-estrogen cut down on water retention and harden up your physique. Also eat a lot of protien.

 

[wildcat]

This may seem like a stupid question, but I know i am going to have to do a drug test for work in a lil while... do A.S. come up on drug tests for jobs? or do they have to do a A.S.-only test?

 

[tarzan21]

YOU DIDNT CLEARLY STATE WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE, DO YOU WANT TO BULK OR CUT.
FROM WHAT YOU SAID IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME TREN. AND WINNY WOULD BE A GREAT START.
WHEN YOU ASK HOW DANGEROUS THEY ARE IT KINDA SOUNDS LIKE YOUR TRYIN TO SAY DO I REALLY HAVE TO INJECT SORRY IF I'M WRONG.

 

[TxLonghorn]

To test for a.s. is pricey, so most companies won't test for it, only for recreational drugs.

And yes there is a test for a.s., have you ever heard of Ben Johnson?

 

[1abbig]

i would run a sus250 EQ stack or even a sus fina stack. both will do very well for you .

weeks 1-8 500mg sus250
weeks 3-8 75mg EOD fina

or

weeks 1-8 500mg sus250
weeks 1-10 400mg EQ


be sure to take clomid post cycle and have nolva on hand.. if any signs of gyno take 20mg Ed until signs go away and then dcrease to 10mg ed until the end of your cycle!!

good luck in whatever cycle you decide.

 

[wildcat]

i meant, do they have to give me an AS-only test.


i want to bulk up..... but stay hard... about 20 lbs. would be nice.


by danger- i mean gyno, liver damage, roid rage, heart probs..... etc.

so, does this sound good?

SUS-EQ-WINNY

or

SUS-EQ-DECA


you guys are lotsa help.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I think either cycle is fine, obviously the test/deca/eq will lend itself to bloating more than the test/winny/eq.

But don't look at this as the first one will give more results than the second one or vice versa. They will/should give similar results. But you will still have to put forth the effort both in the gym and at the dinner table.

 

[Intramuscular]

I like Cypionate and Enanthate, but I LOVE SUS!!!

DTA had the right idea. That's a pretty cheap and easy way to go. With that cycle, hitting 180 lbs will be a peice of cake. Hope this helps, good luck.

 

[solidspine]

Just as important as the gear you take during training is to eat correctly, High protein and get plenty of rest.

At your height and weight and correct lifting you will gain 10-20 lbs of solid muscle on gear with in 15 weeks.

 

[wildcat]

It sounds like everyone agrees on the DECA-SUS combo, but which would be more beneficial to throw in for great LEAN muscle gains... EQ or winny?

and i'm kinda curious why no one has mentioned primo or masteron... are they not as good?


wc

 

[bigkraut]

Dude, you want to bulk but stay lean? If you figure out how to do that let me know, I hate the post bulking dieting. lol. The bloat goes away so don't sweat that so much. The test-deca-D-bol cycle won't fail you. Try this:

D-bol @ 15mg/day weeks 1 thru 6
test @ 500mg/wk weeks 1 thru 8
deca @ 400mg/wk weeks 1 thru 10

Get yourself some Arimidex and take a half a tab eod. That should help keep the bloat down and fend off gyno. Take clomid post cycle to restore your natural test. Eat 6 or 7 evenly spaced high protein meals a day. Shoot for at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. Minimize cardio and other things that needlessly burn calorie. Get plenty of sleep each night, avoid tobacco, drugs, and booze. In the gym, stick with the heavy basics like the squat, deadlift, and bench. Did I mention squats? You execute a good game plan and I think you will reach your goals. Best of luck!

 

[PYRO]

If your really worried about gyno get some armidex and take half a tab ed. take milke thistle for aliver protectant. and the roide rage some people get it but most say if they notice it they can controle it

goodluck

 

[wildcat]

you guys have been lotsa help.....

thanks.