Nelson your opinion...

[jcdc71]

Nelson you mentioned that you are also on HRT. My doctor's opinion of "good" permanent dose is 300mg/week of test e. That amount seemed high to me.

I am 36 yrs old with a natural free test level of 231.

BTW his recommendation for HGH seemed low at between .8-1.2 units/day.

What do you take if you dont mind me asking?

 

[MichaelScott]

i need that dr.

 

[solidspine]

At your age serious HRT is really a non-issue, however since you asked the question


200mg Test C to 300mg Test C per week would augment your natural test very nicely.


As far as growth is concerned, 2 IU per day is the minimum to take to see anything ever.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Is this your personal physician, an endo (doubt it) or one of those "rejuvination clinics?"

300 mgs is hardly augmentation. That's a small cycle bro. It'll put you way out of range of any mere mortal. If your existing T is 231 and extra 300 mgs will shoot it to around 1500 ngs. No one has a natural level that high.

Of course, ya hate to turn down extra juice! You can always stock up and do a serious cycle somewhere along the way. Legit pharm T with a script is GOLDEN bro.

So it depends on what you want to do.

To me , sensible HRT is a combination of things.

1...100 mgs a week of enth.

2...Supps to support free T (UNLEASHED)

3...1/4 mg of dexx every 3 days to keep e at bay.

4...Supps to support liver health and remove "bad" estrones (POST-CYCLE)

5...a little HC G every 8 weeks or so to plump up the boys. The week I do this I take no test since it will be high enough from the HC G. I also take a little extra dexx due to the estro conversion.


Hope this helps.

 

[mobro]

good post.

Nelson,
can you give an example of what you think is an optimum short cycle? you have a diff opinion than most on type and duration.

 

[holy ghost]

4-8 weeks lol

 

[slat1]

My endo said 100mg's a week is normal also.
I know one guy who was on 250mgs of enanthate a week and his ng/dl tested out at 3,000!!!

 

[mobro]

4-8 weeks lol

yeah yeah....you got me.....LOL

 

[jcdc71]

Is this your personal physician, an endo (doubt it) or one of those "rejuvination clinics?"

300 mgs is hardly augmentation. That's a small cycle bro. It'll put you way out of range of any mere mortal. If your existing T is 231 and extra 300 mgs will shoot it to around 1500 ngs. No one has a natural level that high.

Of course, ya hate to turn down extra juice! You can always stock up and do a serious cycle somewhere along the way. Legit pharm T with a script is GOLDEN bro.

So it depends on what you want to do.

To me , sensible HRT is a combination of things.

1...100 mgs a week of testosterone enanthate.

2...Supps to support free T (UNLEASHED)

3...1/4 mg of dexx every 3 days to keep e at bay.

4...Supps to support liver health and remove "bad" estrones (POST-CYCLE)

5...a little HC G every 8 weeks or so to plump up the boys. The week I do this I take no test since it will be high enough from the HC G. I also take a little extra dexx due to the estro conversion.


Hope this helps.

Yes, thanks for the reply...

The pharm T is AWESOME (no post inj. at all)

He is actually a D.O. with credentials in life extension

I thought this was high, but like you said i wasnt going to argue with good pharm T., but at the same time I dont want all the sides (bald by 40) that may go along with 300mg/week

I think I will do as you suggested and save up extra test, and cycle that with primo (600mg/week) for 8 weeks twice a year

 

[heavy_duty]

where does the doc tell you to inject?
my doc makes you go see her for the poke.

 

[mattdan]

At your age serious HRT is really a non-issue, however since you asked the question


200mg testosterone cypionate to 300mg Test C per week would augment your natural test very nicely.


As far as growth is concerned, 2 IU per day is the minimum to take to see anything ever.

Did you even read his post before vomiting this dribble? Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about and should not be acting like you do. Why do people want to act like experts when they clearly don't know what the hell they're talking about?

This is why he asked Nelson.

 

[MichaelScott]

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[Mrpumped]

Did you even read his post before vomiting this dribble? Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about and should not be acting like you do. Why do people want to act like experts when they clearly don't know what the hell they're talking about?

This is why he asked Nelson.

At least he offered help instead of wasting space like you did! I don't think his recommendation was bad at all so what the fuck is your problem?

 

[mattdan]

1. Nothing needs to be added to what Nelson said.

2. If you think that was good advice, well you can guess the rest.

If you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, shut the fuck up. Is that so hard to understand?

You, and he apparently don't even understand the question. The answer is so fucking bad I don't even want to go there. And for you to say it was ok, tells me something about you.

Compare his advice to Nelsons. See if you can figure it out on your own.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

He is actually a D.O. with credentials in life extension

How do you get credentials in LIFE EXTENTION? How many of his patients are living past the normal life expectancy of people?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yes, thanks for the reply...

The pharm T is AWESOME (no post inj. at all)

He is actually a D.O. with credentials in life extension

I thought this was high, but like you said i wasnt going to argue with good pharm T., but at the same time I dont want all the sides (bald by 40) that may go along with 300mg/week

I think I will do as you suggested and save up extra test, and cycle that with Primobolan - methenolone - (600mg/week) for 8 weeks twice a year

That sounds like a good plan. And yeah, 1500ngs is a very conservative estimate. Sometimes on 100mgs if I go for a blood test a few days later my T has been over 1000 and that raises an eyebrow from my doc because that's considered TOP range. I always say "Oh, I did my shot right before I came here!"

I make sure I make my appointments on the last day BEFORE a shot.

 

[heavy_duty]

lots of Doctors at EF

LMAO-

 

[ladycandy]

my hdl plummeted down to 22 while I was on my first cycle ever of test enan at 250mg e5days... Would that still be affected as badly at 100mg a week? Also is that "week" e5days or e7days?

 

[mattdan]

At your age serious HRT is really a non-issue, however since you asked the question


200mg testosterone cypionate to 300mg Test C per week would augment your natural test very nicely.

I can't believe I have to do this, but here goes.

Statement 1. HRT is a non-issue? He said his natural T level was 231. If you know ANYTHING about HRT those two statements don't go together.

Statement 2. 300mg of test would augment natural T? Like Nelson said, that is NOT augmentation. That is a small cycle and is 3X normal HRT doses. If you can get it, great, but that is NOT HRT and is not augmentation, it is a cycle.

This giving bad advice has got to stop. If you don't know what you're talking about - shut the fuck up. Don't guess and play games with some else's body.

 

[Nelson Montana]

How do you get credentials in LIFE EXTENTION? How many of his patients are living past the normal life expectancy of people?

Yeah, that one is a little suspect. I don't think LE is an accedited field -- more of an "alternative theoretical" somthing or other.

And Anthony is correct -- nothing has really been shown to extend lifespan (short of preventing death with drugs or surgery that would occur if not treated) but it certainly is possible to extend "youth" with lifestyle changes, diet, supps, HR T, proper exercise, etc. That is a fact.

 

[Nelson Montana]

my hdl plummeted down to 22 while I was on my first cycle ever of test enan at 250mg e5days... Would that still be affected as badly at 100mg a week? Also is that "week" e5days or e7days?

Last I heard, a week was 7 days.

100mgs a week for a cycle isn't worth it.

And yes, bad advice is worse than none at all. Everyone can throw in their own opinion, and that's great, but be wary of those who throw in their own "facts."

 

[ladycandy]

Last I heard, a week was 7 days.

100mgs a week for a cycle isn't worth it.

And yes, bad advice is worse than none at all. Everyone can throw in their own opinion, and that's great, but be wary of those who throw in their own "facts."

thanks nelson, but was considering the 100mg/week as hrt and not a cycle. With ongoing 100mg/week dosage... would that hdl that suffered during my 11 week run of 250mg e5days be as nearly affected? I was not taking any cholesterol supps but am now taking niacin and a lot of fish oil.

 

[Nelson Montana]

thanks nelson, but was considering the 100mg/week as hrt and not a cycle. With ongoing 100mg/week dosage... would that hdl that suffered during my 11 week run of 250mg e5days be as nearly affected? I was not taking any cholesterol supps but am now taking niacin and a lot of fish oil.

Less of a dosage equals less sides. That's just logical.

Try primrose oil, apple pectin and polycosonol for cholesterol.

 

[Mrpumped]

1. Nothing needs to be added to what Nelson said.

2. If you think that was good advice, well you can guess the rest.

If you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, shut the fuck up. Is that so hard to understand?

You, and he apparently don't even understand the question. The answer is so fucking bad I don't even want to go there. And for you to say it was ok, tells me something about you.

Compare his advice to Nelsons. See if you can figure it out on your own.

Just because your husband fucked you too hard in the ass last night doesn't mean you get to rag on others because your ass hurts now. Why don't you shut the fuck up and go fuck yourself. Just because I said I think he gave good advise doesn't tell you anything about me. You're a shit bag who doesn't know how to speak to people so shit is what you get in return. Do you understand what I said, Forest?

 

[mattdan]

No, I'm someone who is sick and tired of assclowns like yourself that give bad advice and act like they know what they're talking about.

I don't know how to talk to people? Have you read your own posts?

Don't get mad at me because I proved your opinion wrong with facts. YOU are the one looking very stupid right now standing behind your 100% wrong opinion.

Wrong is wrong. Name calling is what ignorant people do when they have no facts to back up their statement.

Read my post where I prove your absurd opinion wrong, genius.

 

[mattdan]

I can't believe I have to do this, but here goes.

Statement 1. HRT is a non-issue? He said his natural T level was 231. If you know ANYTHING about HRT those two statements don't go together.

Statement 2. 300mg of test would augment natural T? Like Nelson said, that is NOT augmentation. That is a small cycle and is 3X normal HRT doses. If you can get it, great, but that is NOT HRT and is not augmentation, it is a cycle.

This giving bad advice has got to stop. If you don't know what you're talking about - shut the fuck up. Don't guess and play games with some else's body.

Here it is genius. Let me know if you can't understand it.

Like I said, don't give advice if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That was bad, incorrect advice - PERIOD.

I'm sick and tired of people acting like they know what they're talking about - like yourself - when they don't.

 

[mattdan]

Just because your husband fucked you too hard in the ass last night doesn't mean you get to rag on others because your ass hurts now.

BTW, that was pretty funny. You should have stopped there tho because it went downhill pretty fast.

 

[jcdc71]

How do you get credentials in LIFE EXTENTION? How many of his patients are living past the normal life expectancy of people?

I stand corrected, i just looked at his web site and they term it "anti-aging" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean...

He is board certified in family medicine and is a member of the "Academy of anti-aging medicine"...

 

[jcdc71]

where does the doc tell you to inject?
my doc makes you go see her for the poke.

He just gave me a scrip for test e. 200mg/ml (5ml) with refills

He knows that i have already done a cycle before and know how to adminster the injection.

 

[heavy_duty]

mrpumper
that's from jh1

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I stand corrected, i just looked at his web site and they term it "anti-aging" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean...

He is board certified in family medicine and is a member of the "Academy of anti-aging medicine"...

I know who you are talking about. He was removed from moderator status on MesoRx for incompetance and mental instability.

 

[ladycandy]

Is this your personal physician, an endo (doubt it) or one of those "rejuvination clinics?"

300 mgs is hardly augmentation. That's a small cycle bro. It'll put you way out of range of any mere mortal. If your existing T is 231 and extra 300 mgs will shoot it to around 1500 ngs. No one has a natural level that high.

Of course, ya hate to turn down extra juice! You can always stock up and do a serious cycle somewhere along the way. Legit pharm T with a script is GOLDEN bro.

So it depends on what you want to do.

To me , sensible HRT is a combination of things.

1...100 mgs a week of testosterone enanthate.

2...Supps to support free T (UNLEASHED)

3...1/4 mg of dexx every 3 days to keep e at bay.

4...Supps to support liver health and remove "bad" estrones (POST-CYCLE)

5...a little HC G every 8 weeks or so to plump up the boys. The week I do this I take no test since it will be high enough from the HC G. I also take a little extra dexx due to the estro conversion.


Hope this helps.

Nelson, lets say your test level is around 350 and you started a program as you mentioned above. A year later your natural test is checked. What would the level be? Is there no telling? I guess I am just trying to figure out how you go about monitoring your nat test levels to be sure you don't get completely shut down. Or with this program would there be no reason for it to shut down? And would that 350 original level diminish?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, lets say your test level is around 350 and you started a program as you mentioned above. A year later your natural test is checked. What would the level be? Is there no telling? I guess I am just trying to figure out how you go about monitoring your nat test levels to be sure you don't get completely shut down. Or with this program would there be no reason for it to shut down? And would that 350 original level diminish?

By using UNLEASHED your free T might actually be higher, even after being on HR T but only as long as you're on the UNLEASHED. Levels return to base once you're off. It would be an interesting experiment to see how it would factor in pre and post HR T. But as far as your natural "total" levels go, yes, they would most probably be lower if you went off the replacment, but you wouldn't be "shut down."

 

[ladycandy]

By using UNLEASHED your free T might actually be higher, even after being on HR T but only as long as you're on the UNLEASHED. Levels return to base once you're off. It would be an interesting experiment to see how it would factor in pre and post HR T. But as far as your natural "total" levels go, yes, they would most probably be lower if you went off the replacment, but you wouldn't be "shut down."

ahh thanks... so is it possible to run the hrt long enough to actually shut your nat test down completely? Is hrt basically a committment for life? Is there ever the chance of going back to restore your nat test levels to where they were? Only reason why I ask is in case you run into a more serious side effect such as cholesterol/blood pressure problems. Would just be nice to know that you could stop the hrt and still be able to produce test naturally.

 

[heavy_duty]

better keep an eye on the ol prostate too

 

[Nelson Montana]

ahh thanks... so is it possible to run the hrt long enough to actually shut your nat test down completely?
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A LOW DOSE WON'T SHUT YOU DOWN BUT AS YOU GET DEPENDANT (AND OLDER) YES,NATURAL LEVELS WILL DROP.



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Is hrt basically a committment for life?


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YES.

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Is there ever the chance of going back to restore your nat test levels to where they were?

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UNLIKELY IF THEY WERE LOW TO START OUT WITH.




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Only reason why I ask is in case you run into a more serious side effect such as cholesterol/blood pressure problems.

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ACTUALLY, LOW DOSE TEST IMPROVES CHOLESTEROL RATIO. 100 MGS WILL NOT RAISE BP MUCH, IF AT ALL.


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Would just be nice to know that you could stop the hrt and still be able to produce test naturally.

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IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, I'D SUGGEST A HEAVY DOSE SUPP ROUTINE -- UNLEASHED, POST-CYCLE, MYOGENX. THAT SHOULD RAISE LEVELS BUT WILL CAUSE NO SUPRESSION AT ALL.

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