Nelson Montana

[MohawkMuscle]

I have read some post on him and I must say I am ashamed at what happens when A known author decides to write on this board. The people of elite are like a bunch of rats attacking a piece of cheese untill there is nothing left. This is why Pro Athletes who post on this board use fake names. However Nelson Montana came onto this board to share his info and insight using his real name and everyone jumps on him! We should be greatful that someone like him decides to join this board. Not everyone will agree with what he says.. so be it! He is not here to say he is God. He is here to share is info. Does someone have to be Mr. Olympia to have you people listen? Okay then listen to Ronnie Coleman. Train 6 days per week on a double split with high volume eat 10 metrx per day. (is that still his sponser? I remember him on a TV talk show when a viewer asked how he got so big. he said Metrx with HMB) So go listen to him and make Metrx rich. (or richer)
I have read his clolumns in magazines and they are very good articles. If they wernt do you think Robert kennedy would allow him to write there??
Nelson may not be huge.. heck he may not even be big but I beleive he does provide good info to this board.

 

[powerforward]

i agree with some of what nelson says, and i even purchased his e-book, but he is on here to sell/promote his business and as such it is more likely that people will try to challenge his knowledge than if he was a reguler member. It doesn't mean that people should attack him, but most of the conversation i have read (taibox for instance)has been reasonable.

 

[GENETIC_FREAK]

Did I miss something? It seems like the bulk of members have been more than receptive to his thoughts. Freak

 

[MohawkMuscle]

Did I miss something? It seems like the bulk of members have been more than receptive to his thoughts. Freak

How did you like his e-book? I order the book.

 

[MohawkMuscle]

Did I miss something? It seems like the bulk of members have been more than receptive to his thoughts. Freak

I guess thaibox posts stood out more.

 

[powerforward]

had some decent general info. Great read though on the background of the supplement industry. Some good routines that i've never tried, but not a ton of steroid info or diet recommendations. Not to bad for the money.

 

[T2O]

I think Nelson has a lot to offer. I don't like his smart ass attitude he gives me when ever he bothers to answer one of my threads. I listen and learn from almost everything he says. I think the people that attack him on certain topics are justified. I think Nelson has to remember that every one responds differently to different drugs. All in all I am happy when he posts. I listen and never lash at him even if I think its justified.

 

[Athernigy]

His attidute is crappy, that's the only reason he gets flamed. It's the approach that he presents his information in and expects everyone to listen.

His knowledge isn't what's in question here, it's his people skills.

-sk

 

[T2O]

Thanks Athernigy thats all that I was trying to say

 

[powerforward]

agreed, a little more tact and a lot more respect. That said i'm glad he posts here, i like that he advocates small dosages and rational use.

 

[Athernigy]

Thanks Athernigy thats all that I was trying to say

Hadn't even read your post before, but yea basically what you said.

-sk

 

[SofaGeorge]

Nelson has put forth some extremely interesting discussion. There have been a few detractors... but for the most part there haven't been any detractors amongst the worthwhile members who contribute often. (With a couple small exceptions that mostly come off as ruffled feathers.) I very much value what he has to say.

 

[Zyglamail]

Did I miss something? It seems like the bulk of members have been more than receptive to his thoughts. Freak

A lot of them have but some are very confrontational and demand very thurough answers and if not answered they seem to insinuate that Nelson is backing down on the subject. Nelson is an Author and a businessman and I am sure many of our questions are being taken note of and will possibly even be addressed in a new book from him. In the mean time we do have to understand that he is NOT obligated to sit here and spoon feed us information and proove his statements. I am sure if one were to dig hard enough they would not only find enough data to either refute or support his claims but they would also likely learn something new in the process.

 

[Him1]

I'm glad Nelson is here to answer questions, and, I think it's pretty fucking stupid when people start attacking his physique. I'd be willing to bet that Nelson's 180-190 lb frame(I'm guessing by his pic) is bigger than 75% of the self-proclaimed 5'10 260 lb 10% bf people we have on this board.

 

[Fonz]

OK,

First of all this is a DISCUSSION board.

We are here to debate and discuss AAS oriented theories and other performance enhancing ones.

We're not here to acquiesce and follow the herd like sheep.

Thats for the mainstream.

It doesn't matter who posts a thread/topic/whatever.

He/she is going to have to back it up.

From this, people are going to try to pick holes in the theory.

This is how you maximize ther efficacity of a theory.

I saw nothing wrong with Nelsons threads.

Sure, they got heated. So? That always happens.

Did you learn something from the debate?

This latter aforementioned question is EXACTLY what you should be asking yourself.

Was Nelsons information > The total amount of information developed from the thread?

The answer is NO. And that is what this discussion board is all about.

End result: You learn new information.

End of rant.

Fonz

 

[MR. BMJ]

SofaGeorge and FONZ stated pretty much how I feel as well.

I think a lot of times, and a lot of people need to really listen to what I am saying here, is that anytime you write something down on a thread, it always has that chance of getting misinterpreted wrongly. Hell, one of the coolest guys I know is cockdezl, he has helped me understand a lot of things, but a lot of people do not understand his style of writing, which can come off sounding "Snooty". God where the hell is that guy by the way. This can get misinterpreted even more with all the different ethnicities that are present here.

Anyway, people take things way toooo personal on here at times and go jumping the trigger. It goes both ways. Also, as FONZ mentioned, there are always heated battles in any debate...there IS NO BETTER LEARNING TECHNIQUE THAN HAVING YOUR BACK AGAINST THE WALL ON THE SPOT! This my fellow friends is how we learn. Hell FONZ knows this, as he has been there quite often. Also, I have been corrected many times...but hell, if I am wrong, I could care less about that (This is why MS and COCK are my 2 favorite mentors on here...fuck, I love being corrected because I learn from it). Nobody, whether it be MS, FONZ, COCK, MACRO, HUCKLEBERRY, PA, ULTER, myself, etc, etc,,,would be anywhere unless they were under a little heat at times.

On the same token, people shouldn't be afraid to post their opinions and differences on any debate. That is exactly what these boards are for. There is a differnce in using good taste in debates as opposed to being a real jerk-off too...ie ANIMAL. If you all want a good example of a board with primo info with proper, respectful, heated discussions, then take look at Anabolic Fitness.

I sure hope Nelson doesn't leave, as I really enjoy his ideas. I especially like his thread on SHBG.

BTW...remember, none of us are GOD either. Hell if we knew everything, then there would never be any new ideas to discuss on. It's fun learning about "possibilites" that can arise from speculations.

BMJ

 

[Zyglamail]

MR. BMJ, I hear where your commin from but at the same time getting an idea from a post and digging up info on its validity yourself can also be a great learning experience.

On a side note, last I checked, not comming to the board and giving 100% proof to all comments wasnt against the TOS.

 

[MR. BMJ]

I agree 100% ZYG! Researching any topic on your own is the best form of education for learning. The whole process is just so valuable that some people just do not realize how much. This kind of goes hand-in-hand when people are trying to find holes in your ideas/opinions/research because you never can tell what people will ask. Therefore, getting asked something for the first time and having to find an answer for it is an awesome learning experience.

Also, I find that a lot of people have a hard time saying "I don't know" to a question. Trust me people, nobody knows everything, and nobody should put you down for not knowing an answer to a question. Likewise, some people often get themselves into a bind by not stating whether something is their opinion. Making an idea sound as if it were a fact or proven theory is a bad idea unless you have convincing proof. Therefore, people need to state stuff like "in my opinion" or "from what I have gathered" or "do you guys feel that I am right or wrong" etc....Also, when somebody corects you, just admit it by saying something like "Hey thanks man, I didn't know that" or something similar....just don't go getting your panties in a knot just because somebody doesn't agree with ya (guess that goes both ways). At the same time, saying somebody is wrong by saying something like "Hey idiot..." isn't exactly right either.

In other words, treat people how you would like to be treated.

Take a joke every now and ten as well. We all get flamed for making dumb mistakes...in other words, don't have a heart atack, try laughing at it as well.

Hell, I love everybody here except the damn FEDS! If i ever offended somebody, I hope they would confront me about it. That way I could possibly clear the confusion up.

So again, I hate it when knowledgeable people leave, and I really hope Nelson doesn't take that path because I do feel that the people who enjoy his threads and comments totally outweighs those dipshits that make it miserable for him.

BMJ

 

[Athernigy]

MR. BMJ, I hear where your commin from but at the same time getting an idea from a post and digging up info on its validity yourself can also be a great learning experience.

On a side note, last I checked, not comming to the board and giving 100% proof to all comments wasnt against the TOS.

Yea but if someone comes up with an idea that is really different from the norm then sometimes you think that the idea is "stupid" and no point to do the research yourself. Whenever someone makes a claim, specially something that is completely different than what people believe in, it is always good to show your "proof" or at least how you derived at that conclusion.

-sk

 

[sk*]

-sk

 

[OVRTrainer]

I actually happened to meet Nelson and his wife last night. He's a genuinely nice guy. It's been great that he has been willing to contribute to the board and debate some of the more controversial topics. You have to respect the man, even if you don't agree with everything he says. We need more intelligent individuals who are willing to offer theories and research in the hopes of uncovering a bit of the mystery of AAS. I hope he decides to stick around.

 

[Thaibox]

I suppose most are talking about me when referring to the guys that gave Nelson a hard time. Yes, I disagree with a considerable amount of what Nelson was saying, but I believed I approached him professionally and respectfully. I also opened what I thought to be a good thread for an educational discussion. I enjoyed the days of 2Thick and E2 going at it for pages and pages. I think everyone learned from that. Maybe I was simply trying to start that type of discussion again. To begin a thread that exemplified what Mr.BMJ and Fonz touched on...A thread where a FULL debate commences, where theories and ideas are presented, refuted, and examined by everyone.

I'm not saying if he was right or wrong, but(I believe) Mr. Nelson failed on his part of the deal by simply not supporting himself adequately. Hence, the criticism from other members. In my VERY FIRST POST to Nelson, I stated my respect to him, and I continue to do so. The only problem I have with him is that he could not follow through. When you elevate yourself to a certain level in any given field, and throw yourself out on stage, you open yourself to scrutiny and must be willing to accept the fact that you will have to defend your theories when you present them. Why is this so hard to grasp for some? Maybe I'm out of line, that's why I dropped it a long time ago.

Again, like Fonz said, this board is all about information. The best source of this information is when people's brains are picked apart and are made to articulate a solid argument. But, I suppose we can continue to read a thousand threads on where to buy Fina, and what dumbass rapper is on juice instead.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Just in case, I wasn't referring my response to anybody in particular. I just hate seeing people leave. If this ws anybody else besides Nelson, I would have said the same thing. I skip a lot of the threads due my limited time with school work. I would be the last person to ask for anything lately. I just sort of glance over a few threads and that is it. Schools out now, so maybe i'll be able to add more.

BMJ

 

[Zyglamail]

Yea but if someone comes up with an idea that is really different from the norm then sometimes you think that the idea is "stupid" and no point to do the research yourself. Whenever someone makes a claim, specially something that is completely different than what people believe in, it is always good to show your "proof" or at least how you derived at that conclusion.

-sk

Well if one is not openminded enough to even give someones idea a second look because it is "too out there", then that sounds like a personal problem, one that will likely affect their ability to not only be objective but self educated.

Thaibox, to be honest I wasnt really thinking any one specifically so dont take it personal. However what people also have to realize here is that Nelson, unlike us no life guys who sit on the board all day(myself included), derives his livelyhood from selling his hard earned research information in the form of books and personal training services etc. Granted, this board is all about sharing ideas and taking this sport to the next level but at the same time we all have slightly differing goals and agenda's. For many of us simple recognition is payment enough as we build our reputations and our comments carry more weight as time goes on. Nelson, is beyond that point and while I would like a thurough dissertation on every claim every one makes for my own selfish reasons, its neither required or specified by the TOS of this site.

Some of you may even remember back when Nelson started posting, I in a sense confronted him on this very issue. I said my peice and he said his. SInce then his short 2 line answers have expanded, granted not as much as many would like but they still have some value and should give enough information to those that are so inclined to get off their asses and do some research of their own to support or refute his statements.

In the end we all have the freedom to ask and answer questions in a civilized fashion. If a poster does not have the time, energy or inclination to go into full details that is their right to chose not to do so.

Lastly I would also like to add that there are varying degrees of education among us. An explanation that may be perfectly suitable to one individual may not be anough for another because of the underlying knowledge allready posessed by the reader. With this in mind it is nearly impossible, even with the most details account, to please everyone. Now in Nelsons case (or with any of the more advanced researchers) many things are simply common knowledge to them that perhaps the average board member is unaware of so when an explanation is given its given at a higher level which often takes a lot of specific knowledge and background for granted.

 

[sk*]

Well if one is not openminded enough to even give someones idea a second look because it is "too out there", then that sounds like a personal problem, one that will likely affect their ability to not only be objective but self educated.

Well that's how it works in this world ...

There have been many philosophers in time and many scientists that have gone through the same thing, even I have gone through similar things in life. The point is that the more "out there" the idea is the more you need to explain it so you will have more followers.

-sk

 

[sk*]

Also, he keeps telling everyone that he has been bodybuilding all his life and he knows all the secrets ...

... but if you look through his site he mentions that he has only recently, in the last few years, picked up on his size. Basically he went on a whole life of doing nothing in the gym and then one day started to actually do something there. As far as I am concerned, his bodybuilding carreer started when he started to make some actual gains.

Buttom line is that I don't need an expert telling me that if you go to the gym to talk with other people and do a few seated calf you aren't going to grow.

-sk

 

[Zyglamail]

Well that's how it works in this world ...

There have been many philosophers in time and many scientists that have gone through the same thing, even I have gone through similar things in life. The point is that the more "out there" the idea is the more you need to explain it so you will have more followers.

-sk

Its all about perception and for you collecting a foloowing may be a goal but if it were me, I wouldnt want "followers" that had to be spoon fed every detail, but thats neither here nor there.

As far as his accomplishments I thought he competed in the masters a few years back and did pretty well considering his poor(by his account) genetics. How many people here have placed the top 5 in a national show? Im sure there are some but I sure as hell havent or have any desire to to be honest.

In the end, beleive what you want, everything here should be taken with a grain of salt wether from me, him or anyone.

 

[liftsiron]

OK,

First of all this is a DISCUSSION board.

We are here to debate and discuss AAS oriented theories and other performance enhancing ones.

We're not here to acquiesce and follow the herd like sheep.

Thats for the mainstream.

It doesn't matter who posts a thread/topic/whatever.

He/she is going to have to back it up.

From this, people are going to try to pick holes in the theory.

This is how you maximize ther efficacity of a theory.

I saw nothing wrong with Nelsons threads.

Sure, they got heated. So? That always happens.

Did you learn something from the debate?

This latter aforementioned question is EXACTLY what you should be asking yourself.

Was Nelsons information > The total amount of information developed from the thread?

The answer is NO. And that is what this discussion board is all about.

End result: You learn new information.

End of rant.

Fonz




This sums up the way that I feel, this board is about debate. I have crossed paths with Nelson Montana on a few issues. We have a few differant points of views, that's all. I agree with the majority of what he says, but when I disagree I state so. I always check out threads with his name attached, because I feel that it will be worthwhile, Nelson generates debate and encourages independant research. I feel that Nelson has contributed alot in the short time that he has been here and look forward to bumping heads with him some more. I also will pick up a copy of his new book, and the guy does practice what he writes about. He looks fit in all the pics that I've seen of him.

 

[sk*]

Its all about perception and for you collecting a foloowing may be a goal but if it were me, I wouldnt want "followers" that had to be spoon fed every detail, but thats neither here nor there.

As far as his accomplishments I thought he competed in the masters a few years back and did pretty well considering his poor(by his account) genetics. How many people here have placed the top 5 in a national show? Im sure there are some but I sure as hell havent or have any desire to to be honest.

In the end, beleive what you want, everything here should be taken with a grain of salt wether from me, him or anyone.

You have been around here for a pretty long time, you know as well as me that nearly everyone says they have "poor genetics."

This is a pointless argument really cause I couldn't care less, but I am just pointing out that most of his gains were in the last few years according to his website. #5 is good but he only started lifting recently not since he was a newborn like he claims and uses to sell his book. As I mentioned before going to the gym once in a while and talking to other people hardly qualifies as lifting.

-sk

 

[Zyglamail]

This is a pointless argument really cause I couldn't care less, but I am just pointing out that most of his gains were in the last few years according to his website. #5 is good but he only started lifting recently not since he was a newborn like he claims and uses to sell his book. As I mentioned before going to the gym once in a while and talking to other people hardly qualifies as lifting.
-sk

Funny you mention that cause I really dont care either, I was just trying to let people know there is no stating you HAVE to back up what you type here with a lengthy disertation. People can rant and rave all they want about wanting more details but it wont make it happen. In the end, you can ignore his posts or read them and get an idea and run with it from there. In the end you have no control over how thuroughly he, or anyone else repsonds but there is no sense in insulting the man.

On the issues of his claimed accomplishments, I honestly havent been following them because they dont concern me much. Hell, I am too busy concentrating on my accomplishments, or more precisely lack there of, to worry about his

 

[sk*]

Funny you mention that cause I really dont care either, I was just trying to let people know there is no stating you HAVE to back up what you type here with a lengthy disertation. People can rant and rave all they want about wanting more details but it wont make it happen. In the end, you can ignore his posts or read them and get an idea and run with it from there. In the end you have no control over how thuroughly he, or anyone else repsonds but there is no sense in insulting the man.

On the issues of his claimed accomplishments, I honestly havent been following them because they dont concern me much. Hell, I am too busy concentrating on my accomplishments, or more precisely lack there of, to worry about his

Everything you say is true bro, but he is usually the first one insulting someone else and I believe that's why most people have a problem with him.

-sk

 

[gtaman]

Also, as FONZ mentioned, there are always heated battles in any debate...there IS NO BETTER LEARNING TECHNIQUE THAN HAVING YOUR BACK AGAINST THE WALL ON THE SPOT! This my fellow friends is how we learn.

Is that so? Is this why the police so often extract false confessions that need to be overturned later?

Being questioned politely is one thing, but if you don't read the guy's book first, as many of the early critics did NOT, then how can you hold a rational debate?

It's ludicrous to suggest that inquisition-style tactics lead to learning.

 

[Rogue Warrior]

My experience with Nelson Montana gives me new hope for this world.

I ordered his book and never got it so he stayed with me to get to the bottom of the matter; he did so by sending a copy of his book that I had ordered, but never received when I ordered from this site.

He looks after the little guy. Whomever he may have rubbed a little wrong in the past all I can say is get over it. He is genuine in his effort to help us learn.