Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Smart Stack"

[dabuffguy]

So, this is the 3rd month needtogetaas and I have been doing a monthly stack for you guys. This month we want to do a stack that is as safe as possible and still effective, all while keeping the cost down. In our other threads we posted what was involved in the stack, and a good explanation of each of the products and their effectiveness.

Granted, this stack will not produce as eye popping gains as our first two stacks we did, we want everyone to be comfortable taking this stack without worrying about supression or side effects.

This stack will have a couple repeats from our other stacks because the products are awesome and work great. We also have a few new products to introduce and we may get some help from our reps to further explain their products if needs be.




Here's the stack:

1-4 ICON (Just Add Muscle)

1-4 Amplify02 (AGXsports)

BCAA (Primordial Performance)
Creatine Monohydrate (Primordial Performance)
Beta Alanine (Primordial Performance)
(all at damn good prices)

Lipid Stable (Molecular Nutrition)



PCT
Sustain Alpha (Primordial Performance)



Notice there is no cycle support or liver supplements. You don't need them with this stack!





Now, there are a few applications for this stack:

You need something mild between heavy cycles that will give you good gains without suppression all while keeping yourself in peak health.

You are just getting into supplements and want to test the waters without going hardcore.

You don't want to gain serious mass because you are an active athlete that needs some strength but significant muscle mass increases isn't desirable for your specific sport. (distance running, swimming, etc)


You want a side effect free stack that is effective.







All throught out the following couple weeks needto and I will give information about the products. Some of them will be a carryover from previous threads, and I will copy/paste/post them up a soon as I can. The PCT is Sustain Alpha only because of the very mild effect ICON has on your HPTA.

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

perfect bro I will be in This Thread to post up soon.

 

[blake6463]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

Just Wooonderfulllllll , i love when these 2 bro's do this! ! !

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

Nicee.


Brad.

 

[SouthernLord]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

I actually just started running this stack. Just as DBG mentioned this is a safe and effective stack for those between cycles or for someone who wants to get their feet wet with a very mild DS/PH cycle.

I am running......

Icon @ 3 caps ed for 6 weeks
Amp02 pre workout
Peak Beta (Molecular Nutrition) 3 caps ed

Test Recovery Stack for PCT

I always use BCAA and Creatine. They are staples.

I will chime in and report my thoughts

 

[iggy]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

good shit needto and dbg!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

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What Is ICON™?

NAS: Natural Anabolic Substances

NAS are naturally-occurring anabolic agents found in the foods we eat every day. The StarChem Laboratories research team has uncovered a potent muscle building agent that has never before been introduced to the dietary supplement market.

ICON: 11-Ketotestosterone

11-Ketotestosterone sits at the top in the hierarchy of naturally occurring anabolic substances known as the 11-Oxygenated family of endogenous agents. Recognized as the main androgenic hormone in many species of fish, 11-Ketotestosterone also serves a secondary role in human endocrinology as an endogenous adrenal substance capable of exerting powerful anabolic effects.

In addition to its role as a muscle building hypertrophic agent, 11-Ketotestosterone is known to be a potent inhibitor of the enzyme 11ß-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type-1 reductase. Inhibition of this enzyme is known to have numerous beneficial effects upon physical health such as decreased visceral fat, greater insulin sensitivity, improved blood lipid profiles, and healthier vascular tone.

11-Ketotestosterone does not convert to DHT nor does it aromatize to estrogens, and being a natural compound native to our own bodies it is metabolized in the liver efficiently and safely. ICON does not contain any dangerous methylated chemical alterations that can be toxic to the liver and negatively impact cholesterol profiles.

Introducing, ICON by StarChem Labs. A new muscle building dietary ingredient, ICON is a breakthrough in the Sports Nutrition industry. A “naturally occurring” anabolic substance, we’ve set out to prove that the building blocks of advanced muscle growth are derived from food, or what we like to call NAS (Natural Anabolic Substances). The active ingredient found in ICON will provide impressive gains in muscle mass while simultaneously reducing body fat.

* Myotrophic Endogenous Compound
* Non-Methylated / Non- Liver Toxic
* Non-Aromatizing
* Anti-Catabolic
* Helps Burn Fat


Unlike many of the performance enhancing anabolic supplements of the past, Natural Anabolic Substances are here to stay.

60 Capsules
Supplement Facts
Serving Size3Capsules
Servings Per Container20

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

* 11-Ketotestosterone 150mg *

Other Ingredients
Gelatin, Cellulose, Magnesium Stearate, Candurin Silver Fine, Red #3, Yellow #5.

Directions: Take 1 capsule 3 times per day, preferably with meals for no more than 8 weeks at a time.



Icon is a prohormon and by far one of the most easy on the ,liver,body,hairline,skin,lipids,you name it.. As easy as it is on the system it still gives some of the best gains.. Which is about the only reason I like the product.. WHen ever you look at a steroid,pro hormone,otc product one thing always comes to mind right from the start.

Risk vs gains.. This is just one part of the thought process but for me and others it weighs heavy on the mind.. Because of Icons low low risk and cheap price I give it a very High grade on the risk vs gains chart.

Added together with the other products in this stack and you end up with a good amount of gains for a very little amount of risks. For people just starting out this is perfect for them.. For people who want a step up but do not want to (give them self away) to there friends,family,or co workers this stack is perfect. For people who want gains but also want to know there health is not at a huge risk this stack is perfect.. This stack is a very easy recovery too. Minimal to no hpta shut down.

 

[dabuffguy]

Sustain Alpha

Sustain Alpha. It's the shizz. What else is there to say?

But for real, I was skeptical of SA before I tried it for the first time. I am very impressed by it. It makes me feel great, and really boosts the libido. Chicks dig that! Well, what does it do? What is it for? It is for PCT.

From PP's site:

Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting cream that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. This supports male vitality, libido, and erectile function. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized.

I can't do it justice with my own understanding, so I highly suggest reading up on the article and understand the science behind Sustain and what makes it an essential part of your PCT.

See it here:

Sustain Alpha - Boosting Testosterone & Libido with topical resveratrol & 7,8 Benzoflavone


2 Main ingredients in Sustain:



Resveratrol.


Several studies have demonstrated that resveratrol is an effective antioxidant. It inhibits lipid (fat) peroxidation of low-density lipoprotein (cholesterol) (LDL), prevents the cytotoxicity of oxidized LDL, and protects cells against lipid peroxidation. It is thought that because it contains highly hydrophilic and lipophilic properties, it can provide more effective protection than other well-known antioxidants, such as vitamins C and E .

Resvertrol helps maintain healthy cholesterol levels and helps prevent heart disease.



7, 8 Benzoflavone

Benzoflavone has been clinically proven to improve healthy male homone profiles and sexual function. In our world of bodybuilding, that means it increases testosterone secretion by the testes. Which means greater libido for the sack, greater strength and recovery in the gym. And Increased leanness and muscularity as we all know. It also enhances emotional well being.


Everyone should be using these supplements with their cycles, and post cycle recovery.



It just so happens that these ae the key ingedients in Primordial Performance products. Dermacrine and Sustain Alpha are awesome products bro. I use them both and they work. They smell good to.

So, you get crazier in bed, bigger and stronger, and feel better all around.



7, 8 BZF is actually used in the medical world as an aromatase-enzyme inhibitor. The process by which the aromatase enzyme acts in the body it does 2 things.

1) It help keeps estrogen levels under control by neurosteroidal mechanisms.

2) It raises blood-testosterone levels by way of preventing metabolic breakdown of testosterone.



Another interesting fact is that it helps keep/sustain sexual function and performance against drugs that otherwise decrease hormone levels and sexual funciton. Alcohol is one of these drugs.

 

[needtogetaas]

Sustain Alpha

Sustain Alpha. It's the shizz. What else is there to say?

But for real, I was skeptical of SA before I tried it for the first time. I am very impressed by it. It makes me feel great, and really boosts the libido. Chicks dig that! Well, what does it do? What is it for? It is for PCT.

From PP's site:

Sustain Alpha is a natural testosterone boosting cream that stimulates the body's own production of testosterone. This supports male vitality, libido, and erectile function. The formula dries within minutes, leaving the skin clean and moisturized.

I can't do it justice with my own understanding, so I highly suggest reading up on the article and understand the science behind Sustain and what makes it an essential part of your PCT.

See it here:

Sustain Alpha - Boosting Testosterone & Libido with topical resveratrol & 7,8 Benzoflavone


2 Main ingredients in Sustain:



Resveratrol.


Several studies have demonstrated that resveratrol is an effective antioxidant. It inhibits lipid (fat) peroxidation of low-density lipoprotein (cholesterol) (LDL), prevents the cytotoxicity of oxidized LDL, and protects cells against lipid peroxidation. It is thought that because it contains highly hydrophilic and lipophilic properties, it can provide more effective protection than other well-known antioxidants, such as vitamins C and E .

Resvertrol helps maintain healthy cholesterol levels and helps prevent heart disease.



7, 8 Benzoflavone

Benzoflavone has been clinically proven to improve healthy male homone profiles and sexual function. In our world of bodybuilding, that means it increases testosterone secretion by the testes. Which means greater libido for the sack, greater strength and recovery in the gym. And Increased leanness and muscularity as we all know. It also enhances emotional well being.


Everyone should be using these supplements with their cycles, and post cycle recovery.



It just so happens that these ae the key ingedients in Primordial Performance products. Dermacrine and Sustain Alpha are awesome products bro. I use them both and they work. They smell good to.

So, you get crazier in bed, bigger and stronger, and feel better all around.



7, 8 BZF is actually used in the medical world as an aromatase-enzyme inhibitor. The process by which the aromatase enzyme acts in the body it does 2 things.

1) It help keeps estrogen levels under control by neurosteroidal mechanisms.

2) It raises blood-testosterone levels by way of preventing metabolic breakdown of testosterone.



Another interesting fact is that it helps keep/sustain sexual function and performance against drugs that otherwise decrease hormone levels and sexual funciton. Alcohol is one of these drugs.

ScienceDirect - Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry : New 7,8-benzoflavanones as potent aromatase inhibitors: Synthesis and biological evaluation

studies prove that the ingredients in sustain alpha lower estrogen as well and are good for your health.

 

[Just Add Muscle]

We need to find out if there is shutdown from Icon because if there is not then it will be a perfect PCT product.

 

[Gawd]

Anyone know if ICON contains anything that's banned in Canada?

 

[needtogetaas]

Anyone know if ICON contains anything that's banned in Canada?

Nope.. Thats one more great part of this stack.. The whole stack can be shipped to Canada

 

[cal62887]

I just saw this thread. Thanks for including Lipid Stabil into that stack. I'm sure you guys have noticed the importance that Cholesterol levels play in overall health....especially on a cycle. Here is a quick intro. More to come.

LIPID STABIL

Designed by William Llewellyn specifically for the enhanced athlete, Lipid Stabil is a comprehensive and targeted cholesterol support formula. It contains a full array of natural ingredients that help maintain healthy levels of total cholesterol, HDL (good) cholesterol, LDL (bad) cholesterol, and triglycerides. This clinical formula is also high in antioxidants, to help reduce homocysteine, LDL oxidation, and the formation of arterial plaque. With a large body of clinical research backing its individual ingredients, Lipid Stabilis the most complete daily supplement available for supporting cholesterol and heart-health!*


A Full Spectrum Heart-Health Formula Designed to Support: *

Reduced Cholesterol Absorption
Increased HDL (good) Cholesterol
Reduced LDL & Triglycerides
Reduced Plaque Formation
Reduced Homocysteine
An Overall Healthy Lipid Profile​

 

[JjohnMN]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

I actually just started running this stack. Just as DBG mentioned this is a safe and effective stack for those between cycles or for someone who wants to get their feet wet with a very mild DS/PH cycle.

I am running......

Icon @ 3 caps ed for 6 weeks
Amp02 pre workout
Peak Beta (Molecular Nutrition) 3 caps ed

Test Recovery Stack for PCT

I always use BCAA and Creatine. They are staples.

I will chime in and report my thoughts

Hey how is the Peak Beta??

 

[SouthernLord]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

Hey how is the Peak Beta??

I just started it a few days ago so not too much to report yet other than No Tingles!!!!

I've used beta alanine in the past and it is a great product, but I could never really deal with the parathesis (tingles).

I am expecting more weight on the bar for more reps and more endurance once it kicks in.

 

[Gawd]

Nope.. Thats one more great part of this stack.. The whole stack can be shipped to Canada

Thats convenient. I may have to give it a try.
Any thoughts on adding Anavar to this stack?

 

[dabuffguy]

Thats convenient. I may have to give it a try.
Any thoughts on adding Anavar to this stack?

Well, the whole point of this stack is to avoid an involved PCT. Adding anavar in would make you need to include more PCT stuff.

But, yeah you could add it if you wanted. Wouldn't do anything but give more gains, but require a stronger PCT protocol.

 

[needtogetaas]

Well, the whole point of this stack is to avoid an involved PCT. Adding anavar in would make you need to include more PCT stuff.

But, yeah you could add it if you wanted. Wouldn't do anything but give more gains, but require a stronger PCT protocol.

I feel if you added just var at 50mg ed to the stack then the sustain alpha alone would be good for pct.. It would be better to run Testosterone Recovery Stack if you were going to add something like var though..

 

[cal62887]

Re: Needto & Dabuffguy's January Sponsor stack. "The Safe Stack"

I just started it a few days ago so not too much to report yet other than No Tingles!!!!

I've used beta alanine in the past and it is a great product, but I could never really deal with the parathesis (tingles).

I am expecting more weight on the bar for more reps and more endurance once it kicks in.

I'm glad you've had good feedback. I remember you mentioning that you couldn't deal with the paraesthesia of normal BA. Molecular Nutrition has solved that problem for you.

 

[needtogetaas]

nice

 

[Self-Inflicted]

How many weeks would you run the ICON and then the PCT?

 

[dabuffguy]

How many weeks would you run the ICON and then the PCT?

6 week for Icon. 4 weeks for PCT. That's what I would do.

 

[Self-Inflicted]

Besides The ICON and Sustain Alpha, how important are the other supps? I already have a different brand of BCAA, Creatine, Beta alanine and was wondering if the Lipid Stable and Amp02 are that necessary. Basically, will just using Icon and sustain alpha with my current supps work?

Also it says 1-4, I'm guessing we can take either 1-4 pills. If I buy 3 bottles and take 3 pills i'd have 48 pills left over, more than half the bottle! Would it be wiser to buy 3 bottles and take 4 pills daily? Is 4 too much for someone just stepping into this?

 

[dabuffguy]

Besides The ICON and Sustain Alpha, how important are the other supps? I already have a different brand of BCAA, Creatine, Beta alanine and was wondering if the Lipid Stable and Amp02 are that necessary. Basically, will just using Icon and sustain alpha with my current supps work?

Also it says 1-4, I'm guessing we can take either 1-4 pills. If I buy 3 bottles and take 3 pills i'd have 48 pills left over, more than half the bottle! Would it be wiser to buy 3 bottles and take 4 pills daily? Is 4 too much for someone just stepping into this?

I'd go 2 a day and see how it goes. If you want to bump it from there, then go for it.


If you already have creatine, bcaa and stuff and you are happy with it, you don't need to buy the other stuff.

You can run it by itself if you want.

Lipid stable would be for someone who has bad cholesterol values. If you don't then there's no need for it with Icon. If you were' taking products that affect your cholesterol then I would include it.

 

[Self-Inflicted]

I'll start off with 2 a day for the first week and see how it goes. I've already made my purchase and am planning my diet/routine now for this 10 week run. While doing this I've come up with a few questions.

1) My current routine involves mostly 4 sets of 12 reps for each exercise. Averaging around 13-20 sets per muscle depending on the muscle that day. Is this type of routine okay(I have a log I can copy over if it isnt clear) or should I go with something else like heavier weight, but lower reps?

2) I'm currently 200lbs give or take a few and around 14-16% bodyfat. I'm currently not taking in a lot of carbs and rely on a heavy fat/protein type of diet. For these 10 weeks should I focus on high carb/protein and getting in as much calories as possible?

3) Do I follow the same routine/diet on PCT?

4) After PCT can I go ahead and do another cycle of say 1-t or should I wait longer?

5) Is it good to cut after the PCT? or should I wait after a few cycles to cut back down?

Thanks for any help.

 

[needtogetaas]

I'd go 2 a day and see how it goes. If you want to bump it from there, then go for it.


If you already have creatine, bcaa and stuff and you are happy with it, you don't need to buy the other stuff.

You can run it by itself if you want.

Lipid stable would be for someone who has bad cholesterol values. If you don't then there's no need for it with Icon. If you were' taking products that affect your cholesterol then I would include it.

And the amp is not needed but your going to want it once you have it and see how good it is bro.. Pumps are crazy as shit.

 

[Self-Inflicted]

I may pick some up for this, but got to work out the funds first. Have been using lipoflame/amp02 for over a year so I'm well aware of how good it works.

 

[needtogetaas]

I may pick some up for this, but got to work out the funds first. Have been using lipoflame/amp02 for over a year so I'm well aware of how good it works.

Ya the amp is the bomb. I am about to order some myself this week.

 

[Self-Inflicted]

Semi bump my questions posted above.

Made the purchase of 2 icon and 1 Sustain alpha. I also made a purchase of the HSM Pack(2 1-T and the PCT pack) for later use. My Icon has come in I believe and I'll start using it either tomorrow or Friday. The total supp stack I'll be using will be

Metabolic Drive Whey
Flameout(Fish oil)
regular fish oil
Surge Workout Fuel(Pre-workout)
Surge Recovery(Post Workout and possibly in the morning for extra carbs/calorieS)
Creatine Mono

I also have 2 bottles of Hot-Rox extreme(Yes, I use a lot of biotest products), but I think these will work better after i'm done with the first 6 weeks and start using it during PCT or after.

I'll post up a log of my experiences and try to keep it update as possible.

 

[Self-Inflicted]

Also, can I run 1-t and ICON at the same time or is that a waste?

 

[dabuffguy]

Also, can I run 1-t and ICON at the same time or is that a waste?

You sure can. I can hook you up with a discount on the 1-T

 

[Self-Inflicted]

I already purchased the HMS stack from Primordial so I got my 1-t covered. Was going to do two seperate runs, but since my Icon and 1-t arrived at the same time, I'm debating doing both. Would it still be 2-3 caps a day with Icon or would I use less since i'm stacking it with something else?

 

[TheN1ghtmare21]

Gonna have to take a look into ICON