Need to put on some serious size

[Swole_2112]

I'm currently 5' 10", 205 lbs, 10-12%. I need to put on some serious and KEEPABLE size. I need a cycle that is going to do exactly that (to include PCT). Just as a little background info, this would not be my first cycle. It would probably be my sixth or seventh cycle. My most recent cycle looked something like this:

Weeks 1-8: Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 8-16: Sust 500mg/wk
Weeks 8-12: EQ 400mg/wk

I know that cycle seems kind of screwy, but thats how it worked out in the end. Should the cycle I speak of be of low doses and long duration or moderate to high doses and of average duration? Or otherwise? I need advice from some of you more experienced users out there.

 

[solidspine]

Weeks 1-8: Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 8-16: Sust 500mg/wk
Weeks 8-12: EQ 400mg/wk

That’s a great cycle, test and eq


I would do the same thing but change eq to deca and


D-bol
Fina/tren
Deca at least 600mg per week
Test E at least 600mg per week


Anti E
PCT


Eat 4000 clean calories a day,

Train like your on fina, oh yeah you will be.


Good luck.


Diet and trianing are 95% of everything

 

[mikematt06]

why are you only running the eq for 4 weeks? did u mean weeks 1 to 12?

 

[chazk]

eat everything you can get ahold of and then when you have eaten that find some more to eat eat untill your full then 2 hours later eat again. eating is the key to building muscle.

you need to do a bulk cycle focus on eating and lifting heavey youll prb end up looking like a gaint bloated monster but dont worry you will build the mass you need to carry into more advanced cycles with better diet and training.

some one posted diet is 95% in think its actually closer to 99% you can change the way your body looks get leaner or get big all with food.the drugs wont help any unless you have enough protien in any cycle a bulk or a cutter.

dont be afriad to get a little fat. muscle growth takes place better when your a little pudgy .If your gonna clean bulk and dont want to get fat well that shit takes forever.

a body builder at state level told me starting out " your 17 spend the next 5 years bulking your ass off untill you gain as much mass as you can hold on your frame. it worked i was 230lbs 5'8 by age 23 then ripped down to get at a lean 200lbs. but i started off at 130lbs .I gained 100lbs in 5 years then trimmed off the extra 30lbs of fat . had i tried to stay lean and toned with out the high calories I doubt I would have made it past 175lbs

you have to eat my friend , eat eat eat then eat some more

 

[black sheep]

week 1-12 test 500/week
week 1-10 deca 400mg/week
week 1-4 D-Bol 40mg ed
week 1-4 NPP 100mg e3d
week 1-4 Test prop 100mg eod

Here is a sample training day bulking diet that is working well for me:

7:00am 8 egg whites, 2 whole eggs; one serving oatmeal, 1 raisen bagel
10:00am 50 gram whey shake
noon 8oz lean meat (96% lean beef, chicken or turkey breast)
2:00pm 8oz lean meat
5:00pm 50gram whey shake - 1 slice wheat bread with peanut butter (Pre-workout)
7:30pm 8oz lean meat - 2 cups of brown rice (cooked)
9:00 pm same as 8
10:30pm 50 gram whey shake

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

That’s a great cycle, test and eq

I would do the same thing but change eq to deca and

D-bol
Fina/tren
Deca at least 600mg per week
Test E at least 600mg per week

Anti E
PCT

Eat 4000 clean calories a day,

Train like your on fina, oh yeah you will be.

Good luck.

Diet and trianing are 95% of everything

just my opinion, but i think running DECA and TREN is a bad idea

 

[solidspine]

just my opinion, but i think running DECA and TREN is a bad idea

Maybe you know something I don't



I have done deca and tren, can’t remember any sides or bad effects,


Actually think my best (first) really long cycle included deca, d-bol, Tren, Winny, Test E, Proviorn and primo


Got super cut up and lean,,

I’m at 5’5” now, always cutting and like deca and fina together,

Your comments are appreciated

 

[jacked clown]

I think he means deca + Tren = Prolactin sides and no dick

 

[mikefear]

week 1-12 test 500/week
week 1-10 deca 400mg/week
week 1-4 D-Bol 40mg ed
week 1-4 NPP 100mg e3d
week 1-4 Test prop 100mg eod

Here is a sample training day bulking diet that is working well for me:

7:00am 8 egg whites, 2 whole eggs; one serving oatmeal, 1 raisen bagel
10:00am 50 gram whey shake
noon 8oz lean meat (96% lean beef, chicken or turkey breast)
2:00pm 8oz lean meat
5:00pm 50gram whey shake - 1 slice wheat bread with peanut butter (Pre-workout)
7:30pm 8oz lean meat - 2 cups of brown rice (cooked)
9:00 pm same as 8
10:30pm 50 gram whey shake

that's your bulkding diet, blacksheep?

christ, i wish i could get away by putting on weight with that amount of food.. i need WAYYYYYYYYY more calories than that1

 

[UA_Iron]

you got to get a little dirtier with the diet - its the truth.

Deca over EQ for bulking.

I would not run Deca and Tren together - two progestins (for most people) is just asking for undesirable sides and a ton of other ancillaries to counter it.

 

[black sheep]

that's your bulkding diet, blacksheep?

christ, i wish i could get away by putting on weight with that amount of food.. i need WAYYYYYYYYY more calories than that1

My goal right now is lean bulk - muscle mass without fat. In the past I always ate a ton, put on fat, then had to diet and cardio it off. I hate dieting - so this time I leaned out and decided to bulk in a slower, cleaner fashion. This is why I am running rHGH and doing a 20 week AAS cycle. I have been adding about 1.5lbs a week without changing my BF.

It comes out to about 3200 calories and 300 grams of protein. I try to keep carbs out except first thing in the morning and the meals post workout. I find that too many carbs at other times put on body fat for me.

 

[ninesecz]

why did you not start your sust till you were done with the d-bol?? that means the sust did not kick in till like week 12-14 you should have used the d-bol to kick start why the sust was kicking in. that makes no sense doing it the way you did it! jmho

 

[gettnlarge01]

weeks 1-8: Dbol 40mg/day
Weeks 8-16: Sust 500mg/wk
Weeks 8-12: EQ 400mg/wk

I know that cycle seems kind of screwy, but thats how it worked out in the end. Should the cycle I speak of be of low doses and long duration or moderate to high doses and of average duration? Or otherwise? I need advice from some of you more experienced users out there.[/QUOTE]
Your gains would have been better with this. Sust 250mg/e3d, for 16wks, Eq 400mg/wk for 16wks,D-bol 40mg/day for 6wks. Eat all you can and make sure to get in at least 2grams of protein per pound of bodyweight

 

[Swole_2112]

why are you only running the eq for 4 weeks? did u mean weeks 1 to 12?

Like I said, it was a screwy cycle. My supply got screwed up. Otherwise, I would have run it for longer.

 

[Swole_2112]

why did you not start your sust till you were done with the d-bol?? that means the sust did not kick in till like week 12-14 you should have used the d-bol to kick start why the sust was kicking in. that makes no sense doing it the way you did it! jmho

Again, it was a screwy cycle. My supply got screwed up. It's too long of a story and not worth telling.

 

[JKurz1]

keep carbs out except first thing BIG MISTAKE!!!!

 

[mikefear]

gotcha.. when i need to put on some real size i go for about 4500 cals of whatever the fuck i can find.

double whoppers? i'll take 3.

 

[JKurz1]

gotcha.. when i need to put on some real size i go for about 4500 cals of whatever the fuck i can find.

double whoppers? i'll take 3.

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

Actually think my best (first) really long cycle included deca, d-bol, Tren, Winny, Test E, Proviorn and primo

Got super cut up and lean,,

I’m at 5’5” now, always cutting and like deca and fina together,

Your comments are appreciated

I think he means deca + Tren = Prolactin sides and no dick

I would not run Deca and Tren together - two progestins (for most people) is just asking for undesirable sides and a ton of other ancillaries to counter it.

thanks fellas ...yeah that's exactly what i meant SOLIDSPINE ...just don't know anyone who'd chance running those two together because of the potential for bad sides

if you can do it though, then that's great but i would definitely consider you a rare breed

 

[mikefear]

you think i'm kidding?

i didnt go from 135 to 185 in a year eating brown rice and sweet potatos

 

[UA_Iron]

most of the guys who are naturally skinnier can eat whatever they want - and they should too. There's no way you're gonna gain on eating clean - at least without getting sick from overindulgence or completely broke cause it costs too much.

With a high metabolism you can afford to eat dirtier.

 

[Ulter]

Does anyone read my posts or do I do this for myself?

1. There is not enough gear there to put on SERIOUS size.
2. When you take steroids you change your gene activity which in turn increases protein syntheis. That makes you grow bigger and faster thaN you would normally. So, in effect, you are changing your genetics by using steroids.
3. When you stop taking the steroids the gene activity goes back to normal. So your body will return to the genetic limits that it has without the steroids.

YOU CAN NOT DO A WEAK OR EVEN LARGE CYCLE AND KEEP (INSERT ADJECTIVE: HUGE, SERIOUS, MASSIVE) GAINS ONCE YOU COME OFF.

Is Giambi as big as he used to be? McGuire? Anyone seen Sosa lately?

 

[abomb]

1 gram of test 1-20 (Aromasin/AIFM)
600 mg Deca 1-10 (Dostinex)
50 mg Dbol 1-4 (Tylers)

Eat 4k-5k calories a day.

400 mg Protein
800 mg Carbs
Lots of Efa's

I swear that will put "massive" size.

 

[JKurz1]

most of the guys who are naturally skinnier can eat whatever they want - and they should too. There's no way you're gonna gain on eating clean - at least without getting sick from overindulgence or completely broke cause it costs too much.

With a high metabolism you can afford to eat dirtier.

complete bs

 

[JKurz1]

Does anyone read my posts or do I do this for myself?

1. There is not enough gear there to put on SERIOUS size.
2. When you take steroids you change your gene activity which in turn increases protein syntheis. That makes you grow bigger and faster thaN you would normally. So, in effect, you are changing your genetics by using steroids.
3. When you stop taking the steroids the gene activity goes back to normal. So your body will return to the genetic limits that it has without the steroids.

YOU CAN NOT DO A WEAK OR EVEN LARGE CYCLE AND KEEP (INSERT ADJECTIVE: HUGE, SERIOUS, MASSIVE) GAINS ONCE YOU COME OFF.

Is Giambi as big as he used to be? McGuire? Anyone seen Sosa lately?

same principles for hrt regarding protein syn. speed, etc?

 

[Ulter]

Yes it's the same. When test binds to the receptor it causes activity in the gene, that results in protein synthesis. If you raise or lower the amount you raise and lower the activity. HRT or not.

 

[black sheep]

keep carbs out except first thing BIG MISTAKE!!!!

I said expect first thing in the morning and all the meals post workout. This is helping me bulk without adding BF. Every person is different - you have to know your body and what works for you - that is the key.

 

[JKurz1]

I said expect first thing in the morning and all the meals post workout. This is helping me bulk without adding BF. Every person is different - you have to know your body and what works for you - that is the key.

you are right and I know a plethora about nutrition...trust me. Many, yes, are carb sensative...HOWEVER carbs are protein sparing so either your fats need to be cranked or your carbs in an effort to save muscle, repair and grow. What are you exact breakdowns. p c f?

 

[Top-Notch]

week 1-10 deca 400mg
week 1-4 dbol 40mg
week 1-10 Test E 500mg or Sustanon 500

 

[krishna]

If this is your 6th or 7th cycle, and you want "serious and keepable size" then plan on cycling AAS for the rest of your life.

 

[black sheep]

you are right and I know a plethora about nutrition...trust me. Many, yes, are carb sensative...HOWEVER carbs are protein sparing so either your fats need to be cranked or your carbs in an effort to save muscle, repair and grow. What are you exact breakdowns. p c f?

My meal plan changes slightly from day to day -I just figured it out to be roughly:


calories ~ 3100 p-335g 47% c-327g 45% f-55g 8%

Now that I look at it I could probably afford a little more good fats in my diet.

I am not setting any records on fast mass growth, but I am adding weight slow and steady without changing my BF. That was/is my goal. I can up my protein and fat by adding one more scoop of Muscle milk to my whey/muscle milk shake. Maybe I will try that for a couple weeks.

 

[boston789]

If this is your 6th or 7th cycle, and you want "serious and keepable size" then plan on cycling AAS for the rest of your life.

Yup!

 

[boston789]

And oh yeah.....I dont think you could pay me to do a tren/deca cycle.

 

[abomb]

week 1-10 deca 400mg
week 1-4 dbol 40mg
week 1-10 Test E 500mg or Sustanon 500

Newbie cycle at best.

 

[Swole_2112]

If this is your 6th or 7th cycle, and you want "serious and keepable size" then plan on cycling AAS for the rest of your life.

For whatever reason, I have difficulty keeping gains from cycles once I've gotten them. I'm not exactly sure what the cause is, but I can say that my nutrition has not always been what it needed to be post cycle and I have not always done PCT. Still, I'm not sure if that would account for all the gains that I didn't keep.

 

[Swole_2112]

Does anyone read my posts or do I do this for myself?

1. There is not enough gear there to put on SERIOUS size.
2. When you take steroids you change your gene activity which in turn increases protein syntheis. That makes you grow bigger and faster thaN you would normally. So, in effect, you are changing your genetics by using steroids.
3. When you stop taking the steroids the gene activity goes back to normal. So your body will return to the genetic limits that it has without the steroids.

YOU CAN NOT DO A WEAK OR EVEN LARGE CYCLE AND KEEP (INSERT ADJECTIVE: HUGE, SERIOUS, MASSIVE) GAINS ONCE YOU COME OFF.

Is Giambi as big as he used to be? McGuire? Anyone seen Sosa lately?

Ulter,

All that being said, how is it that some guys have more mass long after a cycle has concluded than before that cycle? Also, if once one is off cycle, the body returns to it's pre-cycle state, then what's the point of doing cycles at all? If one's objective is to obtain increased muscle mass and KEEP IT, I would have to say that one who does cycles is just kidding themselves.

Also, a nutritionist/friend of mine recommended that in order for me (or anyone) to put on mass and keep it is to chunk up. He said that you have to have a certain amount of muscle mass for three months before the body finds it natural to have that extra mass. Before that, it's simply borrowed. From that, I asked the question that if one were to do a cycle for 3+ months, would that have the same effect as the excess body weight?

You have more insight into this subject than I. What are your thoughts?

 

[acneman]

Newbie cycle at best.

over a gram of gear a week is a newbie cycle
i think top-notch is closer to right than you
5 months of a gram of tes a week???????
was that a joke?
thats just iresponsible
who was it that said
more isnt better
better is better
thats a pro bodybuilder cycle so why dont you throw in the massive doses of hgh and igf and insulin and mainlining nubain while your at it

 

[Swole_2112]

Ulter,

All that being said, how is it that some guys have more mass after doing so many cycles than before? Also, if once one is off cycle, the body returns to it's pre-cycle state, then what's the point of doing cycles at all? If one's objective is to obtain increased muscle mass and KEEP IT, I would have to say that one who does cycles is just kidding themselves.

Also, a nutritionist/friend of mine recommended that in order for me (or anyone) to put on mass and keep it is to chunk up. He said that you have to have a certain amount of muscle mass for three months before the body finds it natural to have that extra mass. Before that, it's simply borrowed. From that, I asked the question that if one were to do a cycle for 3+ months, would that have the same effect as the excess body weight?

You have more insight into this subject than I. What are your thoughts?

Or anybody else for that matter.

 

[JKurz1]

TIme out...you are getting almost 350g of carbs and this is only first meal of the day and post workout? Thats more than I get and I am on a 4,000 cal diet with carbs in every meal excet prebed.....something aint right bro.....reevaluate.

 

[black sheep]

TIme out...you are getting almost 350g of carbs and this is only first meal of the day and post workout? Thats more than I get and I am on a 4,000 cal diet with carbs in every meal excet prebed.....something aint right bro.....reevaluate.

1 cup of oatmeal and 1.5 bagels for breakfast and almost a whole box of Brown rice in the 2 meals post workout - It equals ~350 grams of Carbs. You need to re-evaluate.

 

[Ulter]

Ulter,

All that being said, how is it that some guys have more mass long after a cycle has concluded than before that cycle? Also, if once one is off cycle, the body returns to it's pre-cycle state, then what's the point of doing cycles at all? If one's objective is to obtain increased muscle mass and KEEP IT, I would have to say that one who does cycles is just kidding themselves.

Also, a nutritionist/friend of mine recommended that in order for me (or anyone) to put on mass and keep it is to chunk up. He said that you have to have a certain amount of muscle mass for three months before the body finds it natural to have that extra mass. Before that, it's simply borrowed. From that, I asked the question that if one were to do a cycle for 3+ months, would that have the same effect as the excess body weight?

You have more insight into this subject than I. What are your thoughts?

I didn't say you return to pre-cycle state. But many do.
You will go back to the genetic limits your body has. No one will hold mass beyond that point. That point is different from one guy to the next. But when, like you, men have done a few good cycles they should be way past their genetic limit. And at that point they're not going to get "serious mass that you will keep".
When you ask how is that some guys keep their gains long after their cycle, the answer would require a little more background on the individual. Most often it's because they were no where near their genetic limits and you're talking about a 1st or 2nd cycle. You said this is your 7th or 8th. By now you should be way past your genetic limit. Although looking at your size I would say you probably wasted at least 5 of those cycles by either not using enough or not eating enough or not training enough. If the cycles have all been in the last few years.

 

[abomb]

over a gram of gear a week is a newbie cycle

I never said that my recommendation was a newbie cycle. If you would read who I quoted (top notch) then you would have seen that I was simply stating that for a guy on his 7th cycle looking for "massive" gains he's gonna need more than 500 mg of test, 400 mg of Deca for ten weeks.

thats a pro bodybuilder cycle

Bro your living in a dream world if you think that's even close to a pro's cycle.

 

[acneman]

I never said that my recommendation was a newbie cycle. If you would read who I quoted (top notch) then you would have seen that I was simply stated that for a guy on his 7th cycle looking for "massive" gains he's gonna need more than 500 mg of test, 400 mg of Deca for ten weeks.

Bro your living in a dream world if you think that's even close to a pro's cycle.

i was talkin about top notch his cycle was over a gram a week of total gear with the orals
and your probably right about some pros cycles
but still thats a huge cycle you posted
probably overkill even for a guy with 7 cycles unless hes been doin them close together
like 7 cycles in 3 years
but hey who said you were an expert???
nobody
ah another one who bombs anyone who disagrees with him

 

[JKurz1]

1 cup of oatmeal and 1.5 bagels for breakfast and almost a whole box of Brown rice in the 2 meals post workout - It equals ~350 grams of Carbs. You need to re-evaluate.

relax....I never said it was garbage...I just said you'd be better off spreading them out......125g in one meal and over 225 in the two following a wo is overkill in MY OPINION.....better off taking in 50-70 in the first two

 

[CO B-man]

you think i'm kidding?

i didnt go from 135 to 185 in a year eating brown rice and sweet potatos

How long have you been juicing?

 

[acneman]

you think i'm kidding?

i didnt go from 135 to 185 in a year eating brown rice and sweet potatos

let me guess
semen and pina coladas??????
you dont look like you weigh 185
how tall are you?

 

[abomb]

i was talkin about top notch his cycle was over a gram a week of total gear with the orals
and your probably right about some pros cycles
but still thats a huge cycle you posted
probably overkill even for a guy with 7 cycles unless hes been doin them close together
like 7 cycles in 3 years
but hey who said you were an expert???
nobody
ah another one who bombs anyone who disagrees with him

Im no expert - Im sure your not either. Some bro's can grow on 500 some can't. Every body is different. Obviously the thread starter is having problems keeping his gains. I believe that Ulter's views on AAS cycle amounts are dead on. If you want to get huge and stay huge then your cycles need to be bigger than the "norm" and run for longer periods of time. Do you think guys like Ret & Galaxy are as big as they are because they run ten week cycles of 500 mg sust?

 

[Ulter]

let me guess
semen and pina coladas??????
you dont look like you weigh 185
how tall are you?

He's in our office. He's 185
You shouldn't jump to conclusions and just assume he leads your gay lifestyle. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

great thread.

 

[abomb]

He's in our office. He's 185
You shouldn't jump to conclusions and just assume he leads your gay lifestyle. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

And oh yeah.....I dont think you could pay me to do a tren/deca cycle.

exactly ...unless of course you WANT your chest to look like A BOMB's



there! ...now do me a favor and bomb me so you can link everybody back to this comment

Im no expert

amen to that!

Some bro's can grow on 500 some can't. Every body is different.

he admit the the above

...and then makes a recommendation of nearly 2grms of AAS a week (1,950mgs) below?

1 gram of test 1-20 (Aromasin/AIFM)
600 mg Deca 1-10 (Dostinex)
50 mg Dbol 1-4 (Tylers)

...ummm YOU might wanna try a "newbie cycle at best" cycle ...you'll have less boobs ...i mean sides

 

[abomb]

My pics are in my gallery. Let's see yours big shot. That's right fucko Im calling you out. Quit being such a pussy and let's see how good you look.

And I will goddamn bomb you - not for any other reason than for you being a fucking stalking prick.

 

[Tweakle]

there is no magic secret cycle of the pros that will take someone who's been using for years to 'arnie like' size in 10 weeks. or 20 weeks. or 10 years.

chances are you have typical, or shitty genetics, and piling on megadoses of AAS is just going to give you more back hair and jack up your BP when you get fat from all the estro bloat.

 

[abomb]

Agreed. Genetics are the ultimate deciding factor.

 

[BiggT]

At 5' 10" and only 205lbs, I recommend this cycle for "keepable gains". AND, I am not being a dick or flaming.

1.) 3 years of progressive training on squats, bench presses, barbell rows, military presses, and deadlifts, and dips and chins.

2.) 3 years of caloric surplus, including milk, whole eggs, red meat. (despite the current fad, eggs are the 'good' cholerterol, and don't give me health concern BS about milk, drink skim, or red meat...if you want to take test and d-bol, they're a whole lot worse for the lipid profile than lean red meat)

3.) If you don't weigh a solid, "keepable" 235 in 3 years, you did something wrong.

I didn't post this to be a dick bro, the reason a lot of guys lose gains off-cycle is because they train like shit with no order or plan for progression. They go in the gym and try to 'work hard', but they don't train the important stuff progressively and they are always looking for the "secret" cycle or workout of some pro BB......I am not accusing you of doing anything wrong, but at 205 at your height, you shouldn't feel 'plateaued' or like you need some advanced drug cycle (or any at all for that matter) to pile on 20-30lbs of solid, keepable gains.

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

"I HAVE NO MORE ISSUES WITH YOU A-BOMB ...OUR PROBLEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED AS PER http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514491"

i do not have an "edit" button for post #51 for some reason so i'll edit it here

post #51 should read as follows:

"I HAVE NO MORE ISSUES WITH YOU A-BOMB ...OUR PROBLEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED AS PER http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514491"

 

[CO B-man]

ya ...i know ...i look at them when i want a good laugh

which coincidently might be a good reason nobody should take advice from you



don't you mean "that's right bucko" ...huh little Richie Cuntingham?



oh so you admit you have no good reason to bomb me? ...other than i showed you up for the bitch that you are
and how can i be "stalking" you if i was in this thread before you ...hmmmmmmmmm?
i just couldn't stomach your B/S anymore ...2grms a week ...what are you trying to create an army of man tits?
...you see all that gear + your so called "expertise" should have made YOU a monster ...so it's about time somebody told you to STFU already ...you no training, no diet having, let the juice do all the work, wanna be!

oh yeah George called ...said don't post a pic ...we're not done turning you upside down yet $$$

i love skull fuckin' you


PS ...real men don't drag their friends in their battles ...try using your wits not your tits!

You seriously should consider toning it down with your cuts on A-Bomb. You are very close to being an obvious stalker of his posts and threads. If you disagree with him there is nothing wrong with that but there is absoulutely no need for you to cut him down constantly. At least he has the courage to post pictures in his thread where are yours? Usually when someone cuts down other peoples pictures it is either jealousy (envy), or their own self insecurity and/or both shining through. People can bomb you all they want but if you can not take a hint I can bring it up to the mods and see what they think of your useless, childish torments. Just saying!

 

[Swole_2112]

At 5' 10" and only 205lbs, I recommend this cycle for "keepable gains". AND, I am not being a dick or flaming.

1.) 3 years of progressive training on squats, bench presses, barbell rows, military presses, and deadlifts, and dips and chins.

2.) 3 years of caloric surplus, including milk, whole eggs, red meat. (despite the current fad, eggs are the 'good' cholerterol, and don't give me health concern BS about milk, drink skim, or red meat...if you want to take test and d-bol, they're a whole lot worse for the lipid profile than lean red meat)

3.) If you don't weigh a solid, "keepable" 235 in 3 years, you did something wrong.

I didn't post this to be a dick bro, the reason a lot of guys lose gains off-cycle is because they train like shit with no order or plan for progression. They go in the gym and try to 'work hard', but they don't train the important stuff progressively and they are always looking for the "secret" cycle or workout of some pro BB......I am not accusing you of doing anything wrong, but at 205 at your height, you shouldn't feel 'plateaued' or like you need some advanced drug cycle (or any at all for that matter) to pile on 20-30lbs of solid, keepable gains.

I'm not arguing with you I'm just responding to your reply.

I've been training for about 6-7 years. Granted, for about the first 2-3 years of that, if I, with the knowledge I have today, could have seen myself training or planning my nutrition I'd have been like, "what the hell do you think your doing?" Or, "Where you born mentally retarded?" Unfortunately, it was duing those first 2-3 years of training that I did my first cycle: T-200, 200mg/wk, no PCT, and the nutrition was not all that good, from what I recall. However, for about the past three years, my training has been pretty intense. I simply feel as though I've plateaued and need another cycle to get me through it. I just simply want to do it the right way. But, maybe what you recommend is the right way. I'll have to do more research.

 

[Swole_2112]

I didn't say you return to pre-cycle state. But many do.
You will go back to the genetic limits your body has. No one will hold mass beyond that point. That point is different from one guy to the next. But when, like you, men have done a few good cycles they should be way past their genetic limit. And at that point they're not going to get "serious mass that you will keep".
When you ask how is that some guys keep their gains long after their cycle, the answer would require a little more background on the individual. Most often it's because they were no where near their genetic limits and you're talking about a 1st or 2nd cycle. You said this is your 7th or 8th. By now you should be way past your genetic limit. Although looking at your size I would say you probably wasted at least 5 of those cycles by either not using enough or not eating enough or not training enough. If the cycles have all been in the last few years.

When I first got on cycle, I was about 195lbs at about the same BF%. Aside from the ten pounds of mass that I've put on, I'd say that my muscles have better shape to them, but, certainly not the mass that should have resulted from 7-8 cycles. Now that I see the numbers in front of me, it's obvious that I've wasted my money on most of the cycles I've done in the past. I'd say most of them were haphazardly planned with moderate PCT and nutrition.

I've got to say, I find it hard to believe that 5'10", 205lbs at approx 12% bg is my genetic limit, especially when considering my weight when I started cycling and how long I'd been lifting at that time.

 

[bighippie11]

For whatever reason, I have difficulty keeping gains from cycles once I've gotten them. I'm not exactly sure what the cause is, but I can say that my nutrition has not always been what it needed to be post cycle and I have not always done PCT. Still, I'm not sure if that would account for all the gains that I didn't keep.

thats your problem right there bro^^. sad for being 7 cycles in man. it's all good though if you do it right from hear on out. learn from your mistakes. post up what you plan on doing for pct this time...

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

You seriously should consider toning it down with your cuts on A-Bomb. You are very close to being an obvious stalker of his posts and threads. If you disagree with him there is nothing wrong with that but there is absoulutely no need for you to cut him down constantly. At least he has the courage to post pictures in his thread where are yours? Usually when someone cuts down other peoples pictures it is either jealousy (envy), or their own self insecurity and/or both shining through. People can bomb you all they want but if you can not take a hint I can bring it up to the mods and see what they think of your useless torments. Just saying!

hold on a second here
obvious stalker? ...like i said i posted in this thread first, so how can that be? + there have been, i'm sure, many post from both him and i in between the only two threads that i flamed him in ...more on this in the next paragraph.

cut him down constantly? ...i've showed him up in 2 different threads, and the first thread was the one that started it all when HE bombed me for something i never said ...then to top it off, he wrote, what i never said, in the bomb so i could look like an asshole ...said he'd fix it but never did (probably didn't want to spend the K or $ to correct his indiscretion, and thought i'd just go away like some chump) ...but was mighty quick buy a G-bomb for me after i posted about it ...which ironically YOU defused? cuz YOU agreed with me ...so i'm kinda confused??? ...so what's up with that??? cuz i certainly didn't ask you to defuse it.

as far as the pic? he brought it into this, not me. if he's dumb enough to gimmie a stick ...the least i can do is beat'em with it

and as for bringing this to the MOD's i'm pretty sure they've seen it ...this is the stupid drama that sells G-bombs to begin with ...but if he's foolish enough to buy'em then i'll laugh at him the whole way ...i hope he buys 100 of 'em
there's enough good bros in here, that are far from stupid, that can see what's really going on here
YOU have nothing to do with this, so what are YOU doing here??? hmmmmmm? let's examine this question ...a situation like this gives you the opportunity to chime in and save the day with a righteous statement ...you did it for the publicity, and the potential political advancement in this board's ladder of hierarchy (which ...psssst it doesn't really exist)

if not then why are you here? ...and really, the 64million dollar question is ...why are you here on his side after YOU defused his G-bomb and agreed with me? ...don't look now, but what you've done here is most hypocritical ...so basically (just going by your actions here) you'll stand for what ever you think will make you more "popular" ...all for the intagible love and comradery that exists only on internet land.

a bit of advice ...pick a side and stick to it.
stand for something ...have integrity, cuz i can tell you that being wishy-washy isn't gonna earn you a lick of respect from the people worth having it from.
cuz "Usually when someone" is on one side today and another side tomorrow it's because they haven't the character or guts to stand behind what they believe regardless of popularity.

WOW bring it to the MOD's ...very unbecoming of a grown man, more reminiscent of a school yard tattle-tale

furthermore, mr. a-bomb is a big boy with big bombs and a quick trigger, i should hope he could defend or justify himself
OR
he can do the right thing which would be apologize to me publically (because that's where he didn't mind insulting me)
and gimmie back my "K" (it's the principal of it)

then i would not only consider toning it down, but i'd be inclined to edit the nastiness ...and forget the whole thing

so please don't make it seem like i just went after this poor guy, like some dick ...cuz i didn't

i stay out of the "drama", "clicks" and "politics" around here
i'm sorry that you allowed yourself to get dragged into this, CO-B, but you brought this on yourself ...this had nothing to do with you ...let it go

***TO THE REST OF THE THREAD I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS B/S

 

[acneman]

hold on a second here
obvious stalker? ...like i said i posted in this thread first, so how can that be? + there have been, i'm sure, many post from both him and i in between the only two threads that i flamed him in ...more on this in the next paragraph.

cut him down constantly? ...i've showed him up in 2 different threads, and the first thread was the one that started it all when HE bombed me for something i never said ...then to top it off, he wrote, what i never said, in the bomb so i could look like an asshole ...said he'd fix it but never did (probably didn't want to spend the K or $ to correct his indiscretion, and thought i'd just go away like some chump) ...but was mighty quick buy a G-bomb for me after i posted about it ...which ironically YOU defused? cuz YOU agreed with me ...so i'm kinda confused??? ...so what's up with that??? cuz i certainly didn't ask you to defuse it.

as far as the pic? he brought it into this, not me. if he's dumb enough to gimmie a stick ...the least i can do is beat'em with it

and as for bringing this to the MOD's i'm pretty sure they've seen it ...this is the stupid drama that sells G-bombs to begin with ...but if he's foolish enough to buy'em then i'll laugh at him the whole way ...i hope he buys 100 of 'em
there's enough good bros in here, that are far from stupid, that can see what's really going on here
YOU have nothing to do with this, so what are YOU doing here??? hmmmmmm? let's examine this question ...a situation like this gives you the opportunity to chime in and save the day with a righteous statement ...you did it for the publicity, and the potential political advancement in this board's ladder of hierarchy (which ...psssst it doesn't really exist)

if not then why are you here? ...and really, the 64million dollar question is ...why are you here on his side after YOU defused his G-bomb and agreed with me? ...don't look now, but what you've done here is most hypocritical ...so basically (just going by your actions here) you'll stand for what ever you think will make you more "popular" ...all for the intagible love and comradery that exists only on internet land.

a bit of advice ...pick a side and stick to it.
stand for something ...have integrity, cuz i can tell you that being wishy-washy isn't gonna earn you a lick of respect from the people worth having it from.
cuz "Usually when someone" is on one side today and another side tomorrow it's because they haven't the character or guts to stand behind what they believe regardless of popularity.

WOW bring it to the MOD's ...very unbecoming of a grown man, more reminiscent of a school yard tattle-tale

furthermore, mr. a-bomb is a big boy with big bombs and a quick trigger, i should hope he could defend or justify himself
OR
he can do the right thing which would be apologize to me publically (because that's where he didn't mind insulting me)
and gimmie back my "K" (it's the principal of it)

then i would not only consider toning it down, but i'd be inclined to edit the nastiness ...and forget the whole thing

so please don't make it seem like i just went after this poor guy, like some dick ...cuz i didn't

i stay out of the "drama", "clicks" and "politics" around here
i'm sorry that you allowed yourself to get dragged into this, CO-B, but you brought this on yourself ...this had nothing to do with you ...let it go

***TO THE REST OF THE THREAD I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS B/S

ok i remember now
yeah
hes quick with the bombs
im not gonna be able to go along with all the flames on cob man cause hes stood by me through thick an thin after we got our misunderstanding straight
he probably forgot that abomb incident too
i know i dont forget when people bomb me for no reason
but i bet few remember when abomb hit me up but i wont forget
hes a trigger happy prak

 

[THE GOOD SUN]

ok i remember now
yeah
hes quick with the bombs
im not gonna be able to go along with all the flames on cob man cause hes stood by me through thick an thin after we got our misunderstanding straight
he probably forgot that abomb incident too
i know i dont forget when people bomb me for no reason
but i bet few remember when abomb hit me up but i wont forget
hes a trigger happy prak

i did not bring CO-B into this
in all honesty, i didn't want to do it but he painted me into a corner
some of a-bomb's friends have redded me ...i've asked no one to red him ...i dragged no one else into this ...it didn't involve anybody else

EDIT: i would never ask you to go along with a "flame" or comment i made for the sake of being my friend ...i still respect you plenty, ACNE

 

[needtogetaas]

ask mavric that guy is huge.

 

[ProtienFiend]

Newbie cycle at best.

a Gram a week is newbie?

 

[acneman]

a Gram a week is newbie?

hey thats what i said!!!!!

 

[ProtienFiend]

wow didnt know i was getting into the drama... didnt read the rest of the thread till now

 

[acneman]

wow didnt know i was getting into the drama... didnt read the rest of the thread till now

its ok your not in officially with that comment
it took a little more than that to start it
ive never seen you jump on anybody

 

[acneman]

i would never ask you to go along with a "flame" or comment i made for the sake of being my friend ...i still respect you plenty, ACNE

well said and thanks

 

[CO B-man]

hold on a second here
obvious stalker? ...like i said i posted in this thread first, so how can that be? + there have been, i'm sure, many post from both him and i in between the only two threads that i flamed him in ...more on this in the next paragraph.

cut him down constantly? ...i've showed him up in 2 different threads, and the first thread was the one that started it all when HE bombed me for something i never said ...then to top it off, he wrote, what i never said, in the bomb so i could look like an asshole ...said he'd fix it but never did (probably didn't want to spend the K or $ to correct his indiscretion, and thought i'd just go away like some chump) ...but was mighty quick buy a G-bomb for me after i posted about it ...which ironically YOU defused? cuz YOU agreed with me ...so i'm kinda confused??? ...so what's up with that??? cuz i certainly didn't ask you to defuse it.

as far as the pic? he brought it into this, not me. if he's dumb enough to gimmie a stick ...the least i can do is beat'em with it

and as for bringing this to the MOD's i'm pretty sure they've seen it ...this is the stupid drama that sells G-bombs to begin with ...but if he's foolish enough to buy'em then i'll laugh at him the whole way ...i hope he buys 100 of 'em
there's enough good bros in here, that are far from stupid, that can see what's really going on here
YOU have nothing to do with this, so what are YOU doing here??? hmmmmmm? let's examine this question ...a situation like this gives you the opportunity to chime in and save the day with a righteous statement ...you did it for the publicity, and the potential political advancement in this board's ladder of hierarchy (which ...psssst it doesn't really exist)

if not then why are you here? ...and really, the 64million dollar question is ...why are you here on his side after YOU defused his G-bomb and agreed with me? ...don't look now, but what you've done here is most hypocritical ...so basically (just going by your actions here) you'll stand for what ever you think will make you more "popular" ...all for the intagible love and comradery that exists only on internet land.

a bit of advice ...pick a side and stick to it.
stand for something ...have integrity, cuz i can tell you that being wishy-washy isn't gonna earn you a lick of respect from the people worth having it from.
cuz "Usually when someone" is on one side today and another side tomorrow it's because they haven't the character or guts to stand behind what they believe regardless of popularity.

WOW bring it to the MOD's ...very unbecoming of a grown man, more reminiscent of a school yard tattle-tale

furthermore, mr. a-bomb is a big boy with big bombs and a quick trigger, i should hope he could defend or justify himself
OR
he can do the right thing which would be apologize to me publically (because that's where he didn't mind insulting me)
and gimmie back my "K" (it's the principal of it)

then i would not only consider toning it down, but i'd be inclined to edit the nastiness ...and forget the whole thing

so please don't make it seem like i just went after this poor guy, like some dick ...cuz i didn't

i stay out of the "drama", "clicks" and "politics" around here
i'm sorry that you allowed yourself to get dragged into this, CO-B, but you brought this on yourself ...this had nothing to do with you ...let it go

***TO THE REST OF THE THREAD I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS B/S

A lot of your statements, in fact most you said about me, is incorrect and I have always said that when I was wrong I will admit it and you are right I did difuse your bomb because I did think it was uncalled for and I did forgot is was A-bomb that did it. What really gets under my skin in here is when people cut down others because of their stupid avatar and thats what stuck with me. So I will here publicly apologize for saying what I said it was probably unjustified. Personally I think it is rediculous for both of you to get as crazy as you are getting. If you two met face to face you probably would find out you had a lot in common and probably would be friends. As far as trying to be popular in here I laugh at that. I dont talk to anybody in here any differently than I would face to face. If you are being an asshole I personally will treat you like an asshole if you are nice and cool I will treat you nice and cool. What I read were really snide and hateful remarks but I probably went in reading it with a bias so I apologize for that too. Are you one to apolgize when you are wrong? Well I guess we will see.

 

[silver_shadow]

I'm not arguing with you I'm just responding to your reply.

I've been training for about 6-7 years. Granted, for about the first 2-3 years of that, if I, with the knowledge I have today, could have seen myself training or planning my nutrition I'd have been like, "what the hell do you think your doing?" Or, "Where you born mentally retarded?" Unfortunately, it was duing those first 2-3 years of training that I did my first cycle: T-200, 200mg/wk, no PCT, and the nutrition was not all that good, from what I recall. However, for about the past three years, my training has been pretty intense. I simply feel as though I've plateaued and need another cycle to get me through it. I just simply want to do it the right way. But, maybe what you recommend is the right way. I'll have to do more research.

this caught my eye... and it ususally is something that i hear mentioned alot both on these boards as well as in the gym or amongst friends. the word "intense" which relates to how well you will progress both from a hypertrophy point of view as well as strength gets misused alot. when someone says "intense" 999 out of 1000 times they mean they pounded the muscle with a number of exercises/sets/reps and techniques such as drop sets, super sets and slow negatives. the end result is to produce a soreness so that the muscle feels like jelly and requires at least 3-4 days to recover and at least 5 days before it can be trained again, but usually will be trained after 7.

yet "intensity" actually refers to the amount of weight lifted. progressively lifting heavier weights in a given rep range (5-12) is not only going to give good strength gains (obviously) but also promote hypertrophy provided you're eating at least 4k cals, preferably 5k and above. this is just plain physics and there's no way you can defy this.

this holds good for the majority of folks unless they really have some serious issues (illnesses, hyperthyroidism etc). chances are most including you don't fall into that category.

now the important thing to note is that heavy = heavy. what do i mean by that? well, take for example 2 exercises - kickbacks and close grip bench press. both work triceps (the latter, not exclusively obviously but for the sake of comparison we'll consider just this aspect). so which of these exercises do you think will allow you to handle more load? obviously CGBP. next question - tell me from experience which of the two causes more hypertrophy? again the answer is CGBP. and that shouldn't come as any surprise considering the answer to the first question. lesson learnt - compound lifts allow you to lift more and will cause more hypertrophy... leave the iso stuff for when you're in a more advanced stage and would like to refine your body.

next - overall workload isn't necessarily going to do the trick. consider a guy who can bench 500 for 8-10 reps. next consider a guy who can bench a max of 200 for 8. say, the first guy warms up and reaches his working set of 500x8. now consider the second guy also warms up, but he does 200x8. then he does another 4 sets of 8 with the same weight. the first guy has lifted 500x8=4000. the other guy has lifted 200x8x5=8000! now tell me which guy has the stronger and bigger pecs/delts/tris? if total amount of weight were the criteria, then the guy who benches 200 should be enormous. yet, a guy benching 500 for reps is obviously going to be one huge mofo. why? 500>>200, just that simple. note this doesn't refer to extremely gifted weightlifters who can lift heavy despite keeping their body weight under check - those are a different bunch from the rest of us, and are certainly the minority.

 

[JKurz1]

this caught my eye... and it ususally is something that i hear mentioned alot both on these boards as well as in the gym or amongst friends. the word "intense" which relates to how well you will progress both from a hypertrophy point of view as well as strength gets misused alot. when someone says "intense" 999 out of 1000 times they mean they pounded the muscle with a number of exercises/sets/reps and techniques such as drop sets, super sets and slow negatives. the end result is to produce a soreness so that the muscle feels like jelly and requires at least 3-4 days to recover and at least 5 days before it can be trained again, but usually will be trained after 7.

yet "intensity" actually refers to the amount of weight lifted. progressively lifting heavier weights in a given rep range (5-12) is not only going to give good strength gains (obviously) but also promote hypertrophy provided you're eating at least 4k cals, preferably 5k and above. this is just plain physics and there's no way you can defy this.

this holds good for the majority of folks unless they really have some serious issues (illnesses, hyperthyroidism etc). chances are most including you don't fall into that category.

now the important thing to note is that heavy = heavy. what do i mean by that? well, take for example 2 exercises - kickbacks and close grip bench press. both work triceps (the latter, not exclusively obviously but for the sake of comparison we'll consider just this aspect). so which of these exercises do you think will allow you to handle more load? obviously CGBP. next question - tell me from experience which of the two causes more hypertrophy? again the answer is CGBP. and that shouldn't come as any surprise considering the answer to the first question. lesson learnt - compound lifts allow you to lift more and will cause more hypertrophy... leave the iso stuff for when you're in a more advanced stage and would like to refine your body.

next - overall workload isn't necessarily going to do the trick. consider a guy who can bench 500 for 8-10 reps. next consider a guy who can bench a max of 200 for 8. say, the first guy warms up and reaches his working set of 500x8. now consider the second guy also warms up, but he does 200x8. then he does another 4 sets of 8 with the same weight. the first guy has lifted 500x8=4000. the other guy has lifted 200x8x5=8000! now tell me which guy has the stronger and bigger pecs/delts/tris? if total amount of weight were the criteria, then the guy who benches 200 should be enormous. yet, a guy benching 500 for reps is obviously going to be one huge mofo. why? 500>>200, just that simple. note this doesn't refer to extremely gifted weightlifters who can lift heavy despite keeping their body weight under check - those are a different bunch from the rest of us, and are certainly the minority.

very intelligent post....same theory for deadlifts? What are your thoughts on 4x8 vs 5x5 building mass?

 

[JKurz1]

Also, are you saying the guy that benched 500 trained HARDER or burnt more calories/muscle fibers than the smaller guy?

 

[silver_shadow]

well deads are a different animal IMO- because the heavier you start to lift, it becomes more difficult to rep out with. i find the drain from deads too much to be able to do reps - personally, i find that even with lower reps, deads have improved my back. IMO, the strength carried over from deads enables better squat and rowing numbers for reps which at least indirectly should result in hypertrophy. that's my theory anyway.

the guy who benched 500 trained more "intensely". even if it was a 3 rep set, he'd still be bigger - because more weight = more intensity. intensity does not mean muscle soreness from lot 100 reps with micky mouse weights.

 

[drrman]

hold on a second here
obvious stalker? ...like i said i posted in this thread first, so how can that be? + there have been, i'm sure, many post from both him and i in between the only two threads that i flamed him in ...more on this in the next paragraph.

cut him down constantly? ...i've showed him up in 2 different threads, and the first thread was the one that started it all when HE bombed me for something i never said ...then to top it off, he wrote, what i never said, in the bomb so i could look like an asshole ...said he'd fix it but never did (probably didn't want to spend the K or $ to correct his indiscretion, and thought i'd just go away like some chump) ...but was mighty quick buy a G-bomb for me after i posted about it ...which ironically YOU defused? cuz YOU agreed with me ...so i'm kinda confused??? ...so what's up with that??? cuz i certainly didn't ask you to defuse it.

as far as the pic? he brought it into this, not me. if he's dumb enough to gimmie a stick ...the least i can do is beat'em with it

and as for bringing this to the MOD's i'm pretty sure they've seen it ...this is the stupid drama that sells G-bombs to begin with ...but if he's foolish enough to buy'em then i'll laugh at him the whole way ...i hope he buys 100 of 'em
there's enough good bros in here, that are far from stupid, that can see what's really going on here
YOU have nothing to do with this, so what are YOU doing here??? hmmmmmm? let's examine this question ...a situation like this gives you the opportunity to chime in and save the day with a righteous statement ...you did it for the publicity, and the potential political advancement in this board's ladder of hierarchy (which ...psssst it doesn't really exist)

if not then why are you here? ...and really, the 64million dollar question is ...why are you here on his side after YOU defused his G-bomb and agreed with me? ...don't look now, but what you've done here is most hypocritical ...so basically (just going by your actions here) you'll stand for what ever you think will make you more "popular" ...all for the intagible love and comradery that exists only on internet land.

a bit of advice ...pick a side and stick to it.
stand for something ...have integrity, cuz i can tell you that being wishy-washy isn't gonna earn you a lick of respect from the people worth having it from.
cuz "Usually when someone" is on one side today and another side tomorrow it's because they haven't the character or guts to stand behind what they believe regardless of popularity.

WOW bring it to the MOD's ...very unbecoming of a grown man, more reminiscent of a school yard tattle-tale

furthermore, mr. a-bomb is a big boy with big bombs and a quick trigger, i should hope he could defend or justify himself
OR
he can do the right thing which would be apologize to me publically (because that's where he didn't mind insulting me)
and gimmie back my "K" (it's the principal of it)

then i would not only consider toning it down, but i'd be inclined to edit the nastiness ...and forget the whole thing

so please don't make it seem like i just went after this poor guy, like some dick ...cuz i didn't

i stay out of the "drama", "clicks" and "politics" around here
i'm sorry that you allowed yourself to get dragged into this, CO-B, but you brought this on yourself ...this had nothing to do with you ...let it go

***TO THE REST OF THE THREAD I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS B/S

LMAO.......actually a very good post. I like the "ladder of hierachry" fucking great...lol

this board really is like a bunch of misinformed newbies regurgitating information in hopes to be the popular on here on "elite".................and before anyone gets their panties in a knot, im not speaking to anyone specific

 

[cboogsrun]

Or anybody else for that matter.

If you don't have a steady diet you wont keep most of your gains. Meaning if you diet really hard during cycle and go back to eating shitty after cycle, you'll have a hard time keeping your gains. It takes a certain amount of calories to maintain the kind of mass one puts on during a cycle. You need to find out what your maintenance calorie intake is. Meaning, the amount of protein, carbs and fat you need to consume to maintain what you've built. You could also be past your genetic limit, which I doubt is the case. You sound young and a bit new to aas usage. Gotta learn your body bro. Good luck

 

[JKurz1]

So, you are a puss and aren't intense if you can't bench 500 or even 300 for that matter.....lol

Why do most bodybuilders subscribe to the 6-8 range for deads then?

 

[silver_shadow]

lol, no. intensity refers to pushing your own limits. if today 200x3 or 5 or 8 is your max, that is intense for you. it doesn't mean you keep lifting it for reps and hoping you're going to get HYOOGE. you try to add weight progressively in a given rep range. each time you do so, you are training intensely relative to your own ability and are attempting to push the envelope to in order to get bigger.

about the deads, it's a personal thing. i personally find 6-8 reps on anything heavy (for me) too stressful on my lower back, yet i can ATF squat the same weights for reps much more comfortably and possibly be able to do GMs too.

 

[Powerlifting57]

week 1-12 test 500/week
week 1-10 deca 400mg/week
week 1-4 D-Bol 40mg ed
week 1-4 NPP 100mg e3d
week 1-4 Test prop 100mg eod

Here is a sample training day bulking diet that is working well for me:

7:00am 8 egg whites, 2 whole eggs; one serving oatmeal, 1 raisen bagel
10:00am 50 gram whey shake
noon 8oz lean meat (96% lean beef, chicken or turkey breast)
2:00pm 8oz lean meat
5:00pm 50gram whey shake - 1 slice wheat bread with peanut butter (Pre-workout)
7:30pm 8oz lean meat - 2 cups of brown rice (cooked)
9:00 pm same as 8
10:30pm 50 gram whey shake

thats not to much food there bud!!

swole2112 it alldepends on your abitlity to burn calories we need to know what you have been eating. If you have been eating 3000 calories, then you need to bump it up 500 everyweek untill you start noticing tomuch fat then back it off 500 i would suggest you eat 4000-4500 or more depending on your weight and metabolism.

 

[JKurz1]

plus I'd moe that last whey shake PW.....and some simpole carbs....

 

[abomb]

No edit button to use. I have no problem with the good sun's comments. Anybody elses for that matter.

- 1 gram total a week is not a newbie cycle. 3rd or 4th at least.

- I take a shit load of juice because I like having boobs and pimples. lol j/k

 

[Swole_2112]

thats not to much food there bud!!

swole2112 it alldepends on your abitlity to burn calories we need to know what you have been eating. If you have been eating 3000 calories, then you need to bump it up 500 everyweek untill you start noticing tomuch fat then back it off 500 i would suggest you eat 4000-4500 or more depending on your weight and metabolism.

When it comes to my nutrition, it's good but not documented or calculated. I couldn't tell you how many calories I get in a day or how many grams of carbs, fat, or protein. I simply try to get quality carbs, fat, and protein in every meal, and eat something every 2 hours. Perhaps if I actually wrote down nutrition numbers I would be suprised at what I saw. Here's an example of a typical day:

Breakfast: Bowl of oatmeal, 6-8 egg whites.

Snack 1 (Breakfast + 2 hours): 1 lb cottage cheese w/ fruit (bannana, blackberries, etc.)

Lunch (Snack 1 + 2 hours): 12 oz baked chicken breast, 2 baked red potatoes, sharp cheddar cheese

Snack 2 (Lunch + 2 hours): Protein Bar (whatever's handy, usually at least 20 g protein)

Dinner (Snack 2 + 2 hours): 8 oz cod (may or may not include a small amount of whole wheat pasta)


Note: Workout days will usually include a loaded baked potato with about 1/2 lb of pork or beef immediately post workout.


Workout Routine

Monday

Bench Press: 5 X 10 down to 1 (power lifting design)
Skull Crushers: 3 X 6-12
Incline Flys: 3 X 6-10
Incline Hammer Strength Chest Press: 2 X 6-8
Triceps Push-Down: 2 X 12-15
Cable Fly: 2 X 12-15

Wednesday

Seated Row: 4 X 6-10
Hammer Strength Row (High grip for traps): 3 X 6-8
Dumb Bell Row: 3 X 6-8
Shrugs: 3 X 10-12
Lat Pull-Down: 3 X 6-8
Swimmers: 2 X 15

Friday

Squats: 4 X 1-10 (power lifting design)
Stiff Leg Deadlifts: 3 X 6-10
Leg Press: 3 X 6-10
Calf Raises: 3 X 10-15
Leg Curls: 3 X 10-12
Leg Extension: 3 X 6-10

Every Other Saturday

Barbell Curl: 4 X 6-15
Narrow Grip 21s: 3 sets



That's pretty much it. Comments.

 

[black sheep]

Looks to me that you are getting roughly 115-145g of protein with that diet; less than half. And to think, I was getting flamed for my bulking diet

 

[Swole_2112]

Looks to me that you are getting roughly 115-145g of protein with that diet; less than half. And to think, I was getting flamed for my bulking diet

I figured it closer to 180g. But still, not enough.

 

[gettnlarge01]

At least 500g of protein works for me when bulking.

 

[Tweakle]

Also, are you saying the guy that benched 500 trained HARDER or burnt more calories/muscle fibers than the smaller guy?

lol yes, who did the most 'intense' workout? the 500 bencher is way bigger and stronger than the lil guy doing triple dropsets with 180 so it doesn't really matter who stimulated the post workout calorie burn or got the best contraction in his anterior delt

That diet is awful man.. 2g per lb if you want to gain, don't think about mega doses if you don't even have the basics in order.

 

[BiggT]

I want to add to upping the cals, especially protein.....I am not advocating poor eating or anything, but nobody ever got big and strong to their potential on a super restrictive diet. Don't be afraid of whole eggs and lean red meat. Whole eggs are the 'good' cholesterol, and lean red meat won't give you a shitty lipid profile.....not that this was mentioned, but I know so many guys who pop D-Bol like it were Tic-Tacs, and ram 1 gram of test a week in their asses, and drink powdered protein mixes like they were going out of style, then cry lipid profile when I tell them to eat whole eggs and red meat.

 

[nisser512]

Drink milk...lots of it. I dont' see any of it in your diet. It's a very cheap and easy way to add a lot of protein to your diet.

2 liters ~ 2$ ~ 70g of protein (and 2L per day is VERY easy to down)

 

[galaxy]

I love milk for bulking. I used to drink a gallon a day.