need some expert advice please!

[iron_matt-CB]

ok so here is my story:

i juiced several times in my early 20's then i didnt juice for nearly 7-8 years..i decided to look into an hrt clinic back in march, they took my blood and my total test level was around 230 which is very low..i then decided to go on test at 200mgs a week..i stayed on that for several weeks then upped the dosage to 500 a week along with tren at 75mgs ed for 10 weeks then went back down to 200 a week for 8 weeks and now im on week 2 of a prop 400ew, mast 400ew and winny 50ed ..this cycle will be for 6 weeks total...lately ive been thinking that i may not want to stay on test the rest of my life, i dont know why but ive been feeling kinda shitty, been having heart palpatations and shit i dont know what the fucks wrong with me but i feel i need a break from everything...ive read about pct protocols but im not sure what i should do since ive been on for so long..i have everything i would possibly need..nolvadex, clomid, hcg, testosterone recovery stack by primordial performance, so pretty much everything! i need a good way to use all this to get me back to normal..also i would like some opinions on wether or not maybe by using this stuff i could regain some of my natural test and have a higher level then just 230!!! i kinda jumped the gun into this trt thing and i feel i didnt explore all my options before diving in!

any help is greaty appreciated!

 

[Smokescreen]

You haven't done a PCT cycle? HCG, Arimidex etc etc?

 

[iron_matt-CB]

no like i said i have been "on" since march

 

[Smokescreen]

then you're in the same boat as me. Looks like you now need HCG and Test for the rest of your life. Same happened to me. And now I take HCG and Test as HRT for fuckign life! I have done many, many times PCT and different protocols of PCT. NONE got me back to normal. NONE!!!! Now I have to take HCG, Test, GH and anti-depressants like Lexapro and Wellbutrin just to keep me sane and normal.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

yes thats the conclusion i came up with to but i never tried to get my natty test levels higher, im thinking i should try now and this is why i ask for advice

 

[Smokescreen]

HCG even at high dose only get my Test levels up to 300mgs. So I have to take 250mgs of Cypionate every week just to get my Test levels up to 1100. Go to Endocronologist and be honest to him. Tell him you need HCG for your balls. And of course Test shots. Avoid Androgel. That shit did not raise my test levels high enough. My DHT levels were really high. But overall Test....low.

 

[Fatboy1984]

i believe he takes HCG already. Ive never been in your situation iron matt, but i have read a story of somone doing HRT for about year, and decided he wanted to quit.
He ran HCG for awhile.
Than he took 100mg clomid ed 2 weeks, than 50mg for another 2
the primordal performance TRS, with sustain, toco, and endo

I would personally also take needto's forged PCT
and nelsons unleashed. and stay runnin the sustain alpha for like 2-3 bottles and than wait while to get a blood test and hope for the best.

This person that did what i mentioned was able to get his total test too 750! Its rare but it seems like it could happen. Theres only one way to know

Do you feel you have heart problems even while your just on your HRT dose? i know that when im actually in a cycle my heart does some crazy things some times.
Ever think about lowering your HRT dose to 150-100 maybe that would help with your heart problems?

 

[Smokescreen]

Let's hope for the best for him.

 

[fatbg]

I would see endo doc and follow his advice for a while. Also try some of the natural ways to get your test levels up. Give this some time though. If all fails, I think 100mg of test/week (trt) should keep you in the higher end without feeling like shit.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

By the time I stop this mid december It will have been around 22 weeks. 8 weeks cycle, 6 weeks of 150mg test wk, another 8 weeks cycle. I will be hitting HCG and a bunch of stuff along with it.


I believe it was BigTravis that said he was pretty much on for about 10 years straight at some MAJOR doses at times. He said I think it took him around 9 months to get back to semi normal.

 

[needtogetaas]

There is a chance and a good chance at that. Make take a wile but the problem is people hate to wait it out.

hcg,hmg,clomid,sustain alpha,trs,forged post cycle, lots of things work. I would be more then happy to work with you on this bro. I live to help and if anyone can put something together for you over the course of the next few months I am sure I can. Send me a pm.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

I pmd you needto.. Thanks a ton bro!

 

[Fatboy1984]

Hope everything works out for ya brotha.. kinda scary but im sure its possible. just might take alittle while.

 

[iron_matt-CB]

Thanks bro

 

[Smokescreen]

Hope everything works out for ya brotha.. kinda scary but im sure its possible. just might take alittle while.

Yeah bro. Hope all works for you. If you need help...PM me. I can recommend you some docs and what to do/say to them.

 

[njmuscleguy]

You can PM me as well bud... been in this situation (aka hell) and back many, many times.... sounds like you did jump the gun a bit... maybe you did jump the gun a bit with the HRT... you should've tried a course of HCG and clomid first, which is likely what a (good) endo or male fertility specialist would've recommended.

Here's the thing though... if you natural test levels are just low... then all the HCG, clomid and OTC stuff in the world won't help... in fact, I would probably hold off the OTC stuff for now and keep things simple... in general, always best to keep things simple and tax the body as little as possible. If the HCG and clomid regimen doesn't work, then likely nothing else will and it's back to HRT.

How old are you btw?

 

[iron_matt-CB]

im 30yo..i had all my blood work done before i had used any gear at all...it hadacctually been about 7-8 years since i used at that point and my total test was 230!! thats low

 

[njmuscleguy]

well, at this point...you could still try the hcg & clomid route and see if that helps... there's a slim chance it will, but more than likely, your natty levels will remain low.

Get everything cleared out of your system, get your body balanced and back on track again... start with a clean slate...you want to make sure nothing else is influencing your test levels... then see if the hcg & clomid work for you...if not, then there's your answer