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alltraps

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why is drinking alcohol bad for you in terms of gaining muscle mass?
let just say my diet will not suffer what so ever, nor will my workouts.i plan to get wasted on saturday nights, where i dotn train on saturday or sunday whatsoever. my diet is top notch, eat 7 meals a day, even while drinking on saturday.

how will alcohol effect my gains, on or off cycle. i dont want the speach of "if u cant go out and not drink then u have a problem". this is hypethetical, well sort of. someone asked me at school why its bad to drink while training and the only thing i knew is to tell them that it may throw off their diet and training regiment. any input appreciated
 
some say alchol lower ur natty test level. idk the science behind it. getting drunk makes me feel dehydrated the next day and weak. if u drink on st and sunday is ur off day, i guess its not hurting you all that bad, but its hrurting ur liver which is already undre stress from the aas. sometimes though i agree u need to keep ur sanity and drunk every once and a while. its a toss up though def. i know some huge guys who drink more than once a week. it just depends on how well u rebound. but hey lets face i straight up, its not good for you....

i do it though :worried: :worried: :worried:
 
I dont think it really would affect you directly. But it affects me indirectly because if I were to go out and get drunk, I would feel like shit the next day and that would put extra stress on my body... which is not conducive to muscle growth. If I have 1 drink it's not gonna do anything, but getting wasted defenitely has an effect "indirectly" on my gains.
 
Alcohol use affects all three parts of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis, a system of endocrine glands and hormones involved in male reproduction. Alcohol use is associated with low testosterone and altered levels of additional reproductive hormones. Researchers are investigating several potential mechanisms for alcohol's damage. These mechanisms are related to alcohol metabolism, alcohol-related cell damage, and other hormonal reactions associated with alcohol consumption.

Research with animals has consistently demonstrated an association between both acute (i.e., one time, one occasion) and chronic (i.e., long-term) alcohol consumption and low testosterone. As testosterone levels decrease, levels of LH and FSH would be expected to increase to stimulate the production of more testosterone. However, studies with young (i.e., pubertal) male rats indicate that both acute and chronic alcohol exposure result in profound testosterone suppression accompanied by lower or normal LH and FSH levels, when elevated levels are expected.
 
Also keep in mind that even though you don't workout on saturday or sunday but if your working out friday your body is not going to be getting the supplements it needs for recovery from that day as well as thursdays workout.
- Alcohol dehydrates causing the water in your body to be used in your liver to help metabolize the alcohol when it should be used elsewhere.
- Alcohol decreases protein absorption into the body therefore hindering your recovery and your gains.
- It is also said that it takes your body 3 days to a week to fully recover from a night of drinking.
- Lest thee not forget all the extra calories of alcohol too.

Other effects that wouldn't hinder you to much since you would not be going to the gym is strength, focus, motivation, intensity and endurance.
 
black sheep said:
Alcohol use affects all three parts of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis, a system of endocrine glands and hormones involved in male reproduction. Alcohol use is associated with low testosterone and altered levels of additional reproductive hormones. Researchers are investigating several potential mechanisms for alcohol's damage. These mechanisms are related to alcohol metabolism, alcohol-related cell damage, and other hormonal reactions associated with alcohol consumption.

Research with animals has consistently demonstrated an association between both acute (i.e., one time, one occasion) and chronic (i.e., long-term) alcohol consumption and low testosterone. As testosterone levels decrease, levels of LH and FSH would be expected to increase to stimulate the production of more testosterone. However, studies with young (i.e., pubertal) male rats indicate that both acute and chronic alcohol exposure result in profound testosterone suppression accompanied by lower or normal LH and FSH levels, when elevated levels are expected.


this is what i thought originaly. good info. thanks
 
Alcohol also slows down your GH production. It slows down you bodies ability to metabolize fat and the calories themselves are prossesed by your body the same way as fat.
 
Science? Here's an explanation. For you lazy phucks... It says alcohol impairs protein synthesis.

ONE OF THE METABOLIC hallmarks of chronic alcohol abuse is the negative nitrogen balance resulting from a net catabolism of skeletal muscle proteins (34). An imbalance in protein metabolism, when prolonged, leads to the erosion of lean body mass (LBM) and the proximal myopathy commonly observed in alcoholics (29, 42). It has been estimated that 40-60% of all alcoholics exhibit skeletal muscle disease (42). The maintenance of muscle protein stores is essential because decreases in LBM are causally linked to increases in morbidity and mortality (22). Although alcohol affects all muscle groups to some extent, the fast-twitch type II fibers appear to be particularly vulnerable (29, 42). Available evidence suggests that malnutrition per se does not cause the myopathy, but deficiencies in the nutritional status may exacerbate the disease (4).

Chronic ethanol consumption increases whole body rates of leucine turnover and oxidation in fed rats (3), suggesting the presence of a reduced rate of protein synthesis and/or an increased rate of protein degradation. However, whole body measurements represent the sum of many vastly different organ systems (e.g., muscle and nonmuscle protein synthesis and hepatic secretory protein synthesis) and provide little information concerning individual processes or tissues. However, when the in vivo rate of protein synthesis was measured with the flooding-dose technique (8), acute alcohol intoxication, produced by the intraperitoneal injection of ethanol, markedly decreased the rate of protein synthesis in skeletal muscle, heart, intestine, bone, and skin (34). Moreover, chronic alcohol feeding of rats has also been demonstrated to reduce protein synthesis in skeletal muscle (33).

Although the alcohol-induced decrease in muscle protein synthesis has been recognized for a number of years, the mechanism for the impairment has been largely unexplored. In this regard, Preedy and Peters (33) demonstrated that chronic alcohol consumption produces relatively rapid and large decreases in the amount of total RNA in skeletal muscle. Because the large majority (>80%) of total muscle RNA is ribosomal, these data suggest that at least part of the alcohol-induced impairment in protein synthesis occurs secondary to a reduced number of ribosomes. However, the decrement in protein synthesis in this early study was greater than the decrease in RNA, indicating an impairment in translational efficiency as well. Translational efficiency reflects how well the existing protein synthetic machinery is functioning. Translation of mRNA involves a complex series of reactions, which can be categorized into three phases: initiation, elongation, and termination (5). There are no data pertaining to alcohol-induced alterations on various steps in the pathway of translation. Translational efficiency can be regulated by alterations in either peptide-chain initiation, elongation, or both. Because other catabolic conditions have previously been determined to impair translation initiation, the purpose of the present study was to determine whether chronic alcohol consumption in rats alters specific steps in the initiation process.
 
That's what I was going to say Ulter. It reduces protein synthesis. And the fact that you're body will not use fat as fuel while consuming alcohol. It will use the alcohol instead. Obviously not good for fat loss. It will also hinder your training. Ever try squatting hung over?
 
alltraps said:
why is drinking alcohol bad for you in terms of gaining muscle mass?
let just say my diet will not suffer what so ever, nor will my workouts.i plan to get wasted on saturday nights, where i dotn train on saturday or sunday whatsoever. my diet is top notch, eat 7 meals a day, even while drinking on saturday.

how will alcohol effect my gains, on or off cycle. i dont want the speach of "if u cant go out and not drink then u have a problem". this is hypethetical, well sort of. someone asked me at school why its bad to drink while training and the only thing i knew is to tell them that it may throw off their diet and training regiment. any input appreciated
Go have fun.
Your gains would be little effected.
Your natural test secretion is so little that it doesn't matter. It would be zero if you are taking super-physiological doses of AAS anyway.
 
alltraps said:
why is drinking alcohol bad for you in terms of gaining muscle mass?
let just say my diet will not suffer what so ever, nor will my workouts.i plan to get wasted on saturday nights, where i dotn train on saturday or sunday whatsoever. my diet is top notch, eat 7 meals a day, even while drinking on saturday.

how will alcohol effect my gains, on or off cycle. i dont want the speach of "if u cant go out and not drink then u have a problem". this is hypethetical, well sort of. someone asked me at school why its bad to drink while training and the only thing i knew is to tell them that it may throw off their diet and training regiment. any input appreciated
Go have fun.
Your gains would be little effected.
Your natural test secretion is so little that it doesn't matter. It would be zero if you are taking super-physiological doses of AAS anyway.
 
Ulter said:
Science? Here's an explanation. For you lazy phucks... It says alcohol impairs protein synthesis.

ONE OF THE METABOLIC hallmarks of chronic alcohol abuse is the negative nitrogen balance resulting from a net catabolism of skeletal muscle proteins (34). An imbalance in protein metabolism, when prolonged, leads to the erosion of lean body mass (LBM) and the proximal myopathy commonly observed in alcoholics (29, 42). It has been estimated that 40-60% of all alcoholics exhibit skeletal muscle disease (42). The maintenance of muscle protein stores is essential because decreases in LBM are causally linked to increases in morbidity and mortality (22). Although alcohol affects all muscle groups to some extent, the fast-twitch type II fibers appear to be particularly vulnerable (29, 42). Available evidence suggests that malnutrition per se does not cause the myopathy, but deficiencies in the nutritional status may exacerbate the disease (4).

Chronic ethanol consumption increases whole body rates of leucine turnover and oxidation in fed rats (3), suggesting the presence of a reduced rate of protein synthesis and/or an increased rate of protein degradation. However, whole body measurements represent the sum of many vastly different organ systems (e.g., muscle and nonmuscle protein synthesis and hepatic secretory protein synthesis) and provide little information concerning individual processes or tissues. However, when the in vivo rate of protein synthesis was measured with the flooding-dose technique (8), acute alcohol intoxication, produced by the intraperitoneal injection of ethanol, markedly decreased the rate of protein synthesis in skeletal muscle, heart, intestine, bone, and skin (34). Moreover, chronic alcohol feeding of rats has also been demonstrated to reduce protein synthesis in skeletal muscle (33).

Although the alcohol-induced decrease in muscle protein synthesis has been recognized for a number of years, the mechanism for the impairment has been largely unexplored. In this regard, Preedy and Peters (33) demonstrated that chronic alcohol consumption produces relatively rapid and large decreases in the amount of total RNA in skeletal muscle. Because the large majority (>80%) of total muscle RNA is ribosomal, these data suggest that at least part of the alcohol-induced impairment in protein synthesis occurs secondary to a reduced number of ribosomes. However, the decrement in protein synthesis in this early study was greater than the decrease in RNA, indicating an impairment in translational efficiency as well. Translational efficiency reflects how well the existing protein synthetic machinery is functioning. Translation of mRNA involves a complex series of reactions, which can be categorized into three phases: initiation, elongation, and termination (5). There are no data pertaining to alcohol-induced alterations on various steps in the pathway of translation. Translational efficiency can be regulated by alterations in either peptide-chain initiation, elongation, or both. Because other catabolic conditions have previously been determined to impair translation initiation, the purpose of the present study was to determine whether chronic alcohol consumption in rats alters specific steps in the initiation process.

ulter, would this be irrelavant if on AAS? i mean protein synthesis is greatly increased when on, as well the worry about your own natural test levels would not play a role as they are non existent when on AAS.
 
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