Need ideas for intelligent FIRST CYCLE

[Arkan]

I plan on doing my first cycle soon but I need some good solid ideas because there seems to be a lot of different opinions out there.

My stats:
age 23
height 5.7
weight 165lb

The kind of cycle I am looking for:

#As little sides as possible

#One which will not make me grow too rapidly, causing stretch marks (I'm not sure if this would be an issue though)

#Quality muscle gains, that I will be able to keep most of, once I finnish the cycle.

...Thanks...

 

[chronicx357]

id go wit sustanon 500mg/week maybe stacked with deca 400mg/week. sides will be minimal and you should keep a decent amount of your gains.

 

[Big BX]

500mgs sust for 8 weeks
300mgs EQ for 12 weeks
25mgs every day d-bol first 5 weeks

have nolvadex on hand in case of gyno, and clomid post cycle

 

[Juice me]

lets see

equipoise 400 mg weeks 1-10
test propinate 150 mg eod 1-10
anavar 40 mg ed weeks 2-12

arimidex throughout, and clomid on week 13
very few sides, and good size if training and diet are right, incredible strength gains also

 

[DOZ]

I WISH I HAD LISTENED TO THE VETS WHEN I STARTED

START LIGHT...AVOID HIGH ANDROGENS FIRST TIME OUT...THAT WAY YOU WILL GET THE MOST OUT OF YOUR FOLLOWING CYCLES...WHEN I STARTED I DID NOT LISTEN DON'T MAKE SAME MISTAKE...IF YOU EAT RIGHT AND TRAIN HARD AND SMART YOU CAN MAKE GOOD SOLID GAINS WITHOUT SCREWING WITH YOUR HORMONE AXIS...USE SOME DECA AND EQ AND GET GOOD 15 SOLID LBS BEFORE HITTING SUST N DBOLL...

 

[MadCow1]

Anavar is what you are looking for - if you choose to stack it use something like equipoise, winstrol, or primo (not all of them - choose 1).

Oh - do more research first or at least hang out and read the board for a while. Keep in mind that a reasonable first cycle is no where near what most guys here quote even when giving advice for a first time user.

 

[ThickLEE]

TEST AND DECA WAS MY FIRST CYCLE AND I KEPT 90%
And I didnt know a thing about clomid.(5 years ago)

 

[Arkan]

I've been reading this board everyday for over 2 months and I have read up on roids, more than a little bit. There just seems to be so many opinions out there (obviously some more informed than others) I hear you MadCow1

Keep in mind that a reasonable first cycle is no where near what most guys here quote even when giving advice for a first time user.

and DOZ.

Incorporating anavar could be a possibility, the most I could get is a 50 day supply though.

An extra point to add to my first post is that I dont really want to inject more than 3 times a week.

 

[bigpoppadrew]

Check this out bro, should help educate you on what different aas' do for ya. IMO anavar is pretty good with very little sides.
http://www.anabolicreview.com/drugprof.htm

 

[Arkan]

Yeah I know its a pretty good site I'm always re reading the profiles on there.
I'm hoping a Veteran that had wanted the same thing from thier first cycle will give me some first hand knowledge on what they found was good.

 

[The Iron Game]

Eq @ 300mgs/wk for 8-10 weeks

or

Primo 300mgs/wk for 8-10 weeks

 

[Stew Meat]

You should do well with anything BUT sustonon. With sust, you won't see the gains that you would from other tests and you could have worse side effects... All testosterones are the same, but some are bound to long esters and some to short. Sust is a combination. It has some practical uses, but NOT for a beginer's cycle and not for bodybuilding. Your hormone levels will be bouncing up and down throughout the week.

Here's the cycle I advise:
Primo/Anavar/Clen/ECA/Insulin

This is an excellent cycle for a newbie. Don't be afraid of the slin... be smart and it is not dangerous. Always have a supply of sugar near.

Do a search for "Stew insulin" to find info on how to cycle with insulin safely.

The beauty of the above cycle is that you will still have your natural test present to boost gains while HPTA is not affected much.



-Stew

 

[Nathan]

Do you have a cycle in mind? I think it might be best if you posted a cycle that looked like a good idea to you for your purposes. This way, I think, people will get a feel for the research you've done and can give more concrete, less conflicting and confusing advice.

 

[Yellowbomber]

Hey Steaw, are you advising Insulin to a newbie???

 

[Nathan]

That one threw me too. Insulin isn't something I'd want to fuck up and think more experience is advisable when it comes to syringes, diet, etc. Just my opinion, but Stew may shut me up with his justification.

 

[Arkan]

Thanks for the replys The Iron Game and Stew Meat. Stew meat thats an interesting cycle you proposed.

The Iron Game, in your opinion I should only use one of those 2. Also The Iron Game what do you think of Stew meats cycle idea?

 

[The Iron Game]

Arkan, while I havent read up on insulin enough to give you my opinion on that cycle I noticed you are from the UK. That cycle will cost you no less than £400 ($600).
There is also no guarantee even at a mild dose of primo on top of the anavar that your hpt axis will not be disrupted. Eq at 300mgs/wk will cost you no more than £130 on top of the clomid post cycle a total and safe cycle for approx £150.

Now I have to go and read up on the other post by Stew, should be interesting.

Peace

 

[Stew Meat]

Hey Steaw, are you advising Insulin to a newbie???

Yes. What does AAS experience have to do with how your body will react to insulin....? nothing. Insulin is safe and extremely effective; I see no reason why AAS experience should dictate whether or not it is used during a cycle.
I would like to hear your reasoning about newbies not using slin... do you think a seasoned vet is not taking the same risk and receiveing the same benefit?


Judging from his stats, he has a problem utilizing amino acids. The slin will help to shuttle in nutrients to nurish muscle cells and promote anabolism. Insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the human body and could switch him from an ectomorphic profile to one of a more mesomorphic metabolism... of course provided enough protein was available.


-Stew

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

You should go with a 6 week cycle of 40-50mg ED of Anavar from what you said you wanted. Stay away from sust, test etc etc etc...

 

[Arkan]

Ok heres some more info:

The insulin sounds good but I dont wanna inject everyday, this would be introvenus right?

I belive my body type is mesomorph. I started the Flex size oddessy program 6 weeks ago and have gained 5kg, obviously some fat with that.

When I originaly said I want minimum sides I am prepared for a little hpt axis disruption though.

Do you have a cycle in mind? I think it might be best if you posted a cycle that looked like a good idea to you for your purposes. This way, I think, people will get a feel for the research you've done and can give more concrete, less conflicting and confusing advice.

These are some of the various drugs which appeal
Deca
primo
winny
Eq
Clen
I can get 50 days worth of anavar

I am also open to otherdrug suggestions that are not mentioned here.

 

[Stew Meat]

Insilin is a subcutaneous injection. It has a tiny needle that you will never feel if you shoot in the right spot (fat of your lower abs). You shouldn't feel the injection.

NEVER shoot IM or IV.




-Stew

 

[MadCow1]

Arkan - your last post is on the right track - you'll be happy with the results from any of these (I'm not partial to clen or stimulants though). You've done some good research and following a dosage pattern similar to Iron Game's is reasonable and will yeild lasting gains and non-existant sides. You'll be very happy that you spent the time on this and approached it correctly.

Stew - I didn't realize you were a moderator now. Congrats, it's always good to have someone who really knows their stuff.

 

[DTOX]

300mg/week Primo for 8 weeks would be a nice first cycle

200mg/week Primo + 20mg/day of oxandrolone for 6-8 weeks would be nice too.

Can't imagine having any side effects and nothing but solid gains.

 

[Arkan]

I think I might do
Primo @ 200mg, for 10 weeks and put in 50 days worth of anavar in there somewhere.

What would the pros and cons be, of using 200mg of deca instead of the primo. (I know it will be cheaper thats why I am asking)

 

[Stew Meat]

Pro: Ummm... can't think of one right now.
Con: it will supress HPTA. Where a primo cycle works in conjunction with natural test, taking Deca will inhibit natural testosterone production.

Don't use Deca without test.




-Stew

 

[Arkan]

Ok thanks.

 

[Arkan]

Where should I run the anavar during the 10 weeks? I will have 7 weeks and one days supply of anavar.

 

[DIRTY LUKE]

how about 300mg/deca for 10 weeks amd winny 50mg ed for the last 5 weeks of cycle

 

[wildcat]

How about this....

Week---------SUS---------TREN-------EQ----------WINNY----
1-6------------500--------75/ed-------600---------------------
7-10----------500-----------------------600----------50/day---
11-12------------------------------------600----------50/day---

 

[Bossman]

I wouldn't recommend tren or insulin to a newbie. Stick to the basics bro, I would do this:
sus 500mg 9weeks
deca 400mg 10 weeks
d-bol 30mg ED 5 weeks

I would say definitely use arimidex or liquidex, which will minimize bloat and therefore help avoid stretch marks. That will also help keep you from blowing up, as you said you did not want to. This cycle should give you 15-20 pounds of keepable mass, I think you would be very happy with it.

 

[Kodesh]

primobolan+dbol->4weeks +
primobolan+winstrol->4 weeks

 

[Arkan]

I have heard great things about arimidex and liquidex, but can I get these in the UK???

 

[Bossman]

I'd hope so, I am in the US and order mine from the UK