Need help with toning cycle!!!

[googlepig]

Ok - i have a friend who is quite a large guy.

Hes got a big build, but isnt fat or muscular.



Basically he wants to tone and build up his upper half.

He is about 6ft and 15 stone.

I have reccommended 30mg Winstrol orals /day for 8 weeks.

Is there an injectable that could accompany this without giving bloat ???

thanks!

 

[DIVISION]

I have reccommended 30mg Winstrol orals /day for 8 weeks.

Is there an injectable that could accompany this without giving bloat ???

I'll have a go at this....

Winstrol @ 50MG ed
Deca @ 200MG ew
Nolvadex @ 20MG ed
T3 @ 150MCG ed
Clenbuterol @ 120MCG eod

Go with this.

DIV

 

[googlepig]

I'll have a go at this....

Winstrol @ 50MG ed
Deca @ 200MG ew
Nolvadex @ 20MG ed
T3 @ 150MCG ed
Clenbuterol @ 120MCG eod

Go with this.

DIV

What would the nolvadex be for in this cycle ?

and also what training would you reccommend, low reps heavy weight, high reps etc ????

 

[DIVISION]

What would the nolvadex be for in this cycle ?

and also what training would you reccommend, low reps heavy weight, high reps etc ????

Nolvadex would help him lose the lowerbody weight faster and keeps water-induced bloat to a minimum.

I'd say it depends on his genetics.....what his body responds to.

For a cutter he'll probably want to do higher reps, moderate weight.

DIV

 

[guards]

Ok - i have a friend who is quite a large guy.

Hes got a big build, but isnt fat or muscular.



Basically he wants to tone and build up his upper half.

He is about 6ft and 15 stone.

I have reccommended 30mg Winstrol orals /day for 8 weeks.

Is there an injectable that could accompany this without giving bloat ???

thanks!

I think that is crap!

Tell him to start running and dieting properly! Gear will NOT make you toned or lose weight....diet and cardio will.

There is no magic pill that will make him lose weight and become toned at the same time.

If he's dead set on using, go with somethingn that is effective AND cost efficient. Test at 500mg/week with some arimidex will give far better results than winstrol could ever dream to.

 

[_Yossarian_]

Nolvadex would help him lose the lowerbody weight faster and keeps water-induced bloat to a minimum.

?????

IMO, there is absolutely no need for nolva in that cycle. Fat loss from nolvadex? Nolva doesnt reduce bloat in me either, especially from deca...

 

[googlepig]

What about 30mg Anavar / day ?

 

[georgie24]

25mg ed of winny will BLOW WAY 500 mg test. week for pure fat loss

 

[hammertime30]

"toning" is not used in the world of bodybuilding for you can't tone fat!

 

[googlepig]

OK OK maybe i put the wrong title for this thread - i realise u cannot achieve toned look without losing BF%.

what is probably mean is what is good as a little helper to harden / build muscle without giving any bloat.

I have already got him some oxandrolone now. @ 30mg/ed for 8 weeks.

is this any good or not ??

 

[hammertime30]

OK OK maybe i put the wrong title for this thread - i realise u cannot achieve toned look without losing BF%.

what is probably mean is what is good as a little helper to harden / build muscle without giving any bloat.

I have already got him some oxandrolone now. @ 30mg/ed for 8 weeks.

is this any good or not ??

Remember the main purpose for using AAS while cutting is the increase the ability to preserve muscle tissue while decreasing cals thus helping to keep the body in the anabolic state (positive nitrogen balance). If your diet isn't strict and precise, you can still run a cutting cycle without losing bodyfat which I'm sure you already know that your diet is the main key ingredient. Now outside of that, you can run (and many have) an oxandrolone only cycle and should be able to achieve a nice harder look without lose too much muscle mass. As with any orals though, regardless of oxandrolone being milder than say dbol...you should always include a liver detoxer!

 

[googlepig]

Remember the main purpose for using AAS while cutting is the increase the ability to preserve muscle tissue while decreasing cals thus helping to keep the body in the anabolic state (positive nitrogen balance). If your diet isn't strict and precise, you can still run a cutting cycle without losing bodyfat which I'm sure you already know that your diet is the main key ingredient. Now outside of that, you can run (and many have) an oxandrolone only cycle and should be able to achieve a nice harder look without lose too much muscle mass. As with any orals though, regardless of oxandrolone being milder than say dbol...you should always include a liver detoxer!

Cool advice bro - i wasnt actually aware of how toxic Oxandrolone was, although i had guessed it had to be C-17 alakalated. I will get him some supps from the health store.

thanx bro.

 

[georgie24]

time your carbs, dont mix them with fat, keep the protien high and you should get to your goals, oh yea dont forget to workout