Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Here's an idea for you. You seem to have trouble with what and how much to eat. Go to any bookstore and buy Dr. Atkins' diet book. It's very popular and easy to find. Start with chapter one and follow it to the letter. It's not exactly what you would call a body-building book, but it will get you a lot closer to what you are looking for than the guessing game that you are playing. It always helps me to have things written down in black and white. It starts with an "induction phase" for a week or two to get you into ketosis and has sample diets layed out to keep you there. If you never heard of him, Dr. Atkins basically invented (or at least perfected) the low carb diet many, many years ago.
Need help getting into ketosis...
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Yeah, thought about getting the book but I decided to go the internet route.
OK, I figure I could get about 8 servings of flax oil a day (this stuff is expensive and nasty as hell, don't think I can do much more), which will give me ~36g fat more, no added carbs or protein. I also have the peanut butter (couldn't find any sans carbs, does it exist?) that will give me 16g of fat per serving, 6g of carbs, and 8 of protein. I also tross a little Cool Whip into that protein shake with 2 servings of the flax oil, which adds a little fat and carbs but helps with the now terrible taste. Also picked up some hamburger patties with 21g fat and 20g protein. How centered around fat should I be? Should I just live off of peanut butter and flax oil (yum
) and cut out protein until ketosis actually occurs, or should I add these new products to modify the original diet (keeping a high protein intake)? This ketosis shit is pissing me off, having to eat a less healthy diet to lose significantly more weight...
OK, I figure I could get about 8 servings of flax oil a day (this stuff is expensive and nasty as hell, don't think I can do much more), which will give me ~36g fat more, no added carbs or protein. I also have the peanut butter (couldn't find any sans carbs, does it exist?) that will give me 16g of fat per serving, 6g of carbs, and 8 of protein. I also tross a little Cool Whip into that protein shake with 2 servings of the flax oil, which adds a little fat and carbs but helps with the now terrible taste. Also picked up some hamburger patties with 21g fat and 20g protein. How centered around fat should I be? Should I just live off of peanut butter and flax oil (yum
) and cut out protein until ketosis actually occurs, or should I add these new products to modify the original diet (keeping a high protein intake)? This ketosis shit is pissing me off, having to eat a less healthy diet to lose significantly more weight...OK, I think I'm getting somewhere. Althoug I appreciate the help that the few of you gave me, I got almost 30 response at another site (don't know if you all allow us to mention other boards, I know some don't allow sources to be mentioned). I've gotten similar responses about needing a LOT more fat, but protein is kind of in question as is whether I should keep myself under 20g carbs a day or 0g as some say. I'll just paste my most recent post over at the other board:
"Ok, it seems that ketosis mimics starving yourself, and that the big problem with it is maintaining muscle mass. It's a long story, but I've got this weird mental thing from when I was a kid that's led to me having a very limited diet (no veggies, only meats I eat are chicken and burgers), so even though I am capable of even pretty healthily, some of the listed ketosis diets won't work for me.
So how about I do this to ENTER INTO ketosis:
6 eggs: 27g fat, 36g protein, 6g carbs
8 tbsp of butter (nasty): 56g fat, 0 protein, 0 carbs
5 tbsp of flax oil (actually nastier than pure butter): 22.5g fat
-for a total of ~105g fat, 36g protein, 6g carbs
If I am able to increase the protein intake once I enter ketosis, I'm not particularly worried about losing muscle since entering (from what I've read) takes a MAX of 4 days, usually 2. I must say that this Atkins guy must be both incredibly smart and incredibly drugged up to figure out a diet that is this unhealthy, yet so efficient.
Once (IF!) I get into ketosis, I'll continue the post about a healthy, muscle retaining diet to continue into ketosis until I get to the physical shape that I desire. After that, I won't particularly mind getting out of ketosis and just eating healthily and continue excercising to stay in shape.
Once again, THANKS A LOT FOR THE HELP! I will probably try that ALA stuff (with the advice of the real Kaoz), and I will continue to drink at least a gallon of water a day."
"Ok, it seems that ketosis mimics starving yourself, and that the big problem with it is maintaining muscle mass. It's a long story, but I've got this weird mental thing from when I was a kid that's led to me having a very limited diet (no veggies, only meats I eat are chicken and burgers), so even though I am capable of even pretty healthily, some of the listed ketosis diets won't work for me.
So how about I do this to ENTER INTO ketosis:
6 eggs: 27g fat, 36g protein, 6g carbs
8 tbsp of butter (nasty): 56g fat, 0 protein, 0 carbs
5 tbsp of flax oil (actually nastier than pure butter): 22.5g fat
-for a total of ~105g fat, 36g protein, 6g carbs
If I am able to increase the protein intake once I enter ketosis, I'm not particularly worried about losing muscle since entering (from what I've read) takes a MAX of 4 days, usually 2. I must say that this Atkins guy must be both incredibly smart and incredibly drugged up to figure out a diet that is this unhealthy, yet so efficient.
Once (IF!) I get into ketosis, I'll continue the post about a healthy, muscle retaining diet to continue into ketosis until I get to the physical shape that I desire. After that, I won't particularly mind getting out of ketosis and just eating healthily and continue excercising to stay in shape.
Once again, THANKS A LOT FOR THE HELP! I will probably try that ALA stuff (with the advice of the real Kaoz), and I will continue to drink at least a gallon of water a day."
plornive
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The absolute best and most accurate book on ketgenic diets is "The Ketogenic Diet", by Lyle McDonald. http://www.theketogenicdiet.com
Yeah, I know that a book will help me most, but right now I'm fighting for both a sufficient grade in Math (WAY WAY WAY more to this grade than just GPA effect) as well as fora a female that I'm crazy about. I really don't have time to read a lot of info JUST to get into this diet, I should be spending that time following the diet and excercising/working out.
Let's make this simple. Here is the content variety of my available foods. Please, someone, give me a definitive answer on what will help me lose some weight (will the diet I originally posted help me lose weight while maintaining muscle?):
high fat only- butter, flax oil
high protein only - chicken
high protein/high fat- eggs, hamburger patties, protein shakes (with or without flax and whipped cream)
Please, you all don't know how important this is to me. I've had a lot of problems in my life lately like my father dying and I've put on some pounds like a damn woman eating to help her depression, but I need to lose the weight quickly. I'm trying to lose the weight to raise my chances of getting into a relationship with a girl that I'm literally in love with, and getting in shape isn't just going to make me look better, it's probably going to make my already pathetic and depressing life better. Please, I really need this. If all I can consume is butter and drink water, I'll do it; however, I would prefer to keep the muscle mass that I do still have. Still, I'm willing to get out of ketosis while I still have some fat left on my body so as to more easily convert it to muscle than having nothing on me at all.
Let's make this simple. Here is the content variety of my available foods. Please, someone, give me a definitive answer on what will help me lose some weight (will the diet I originally posted help me lose weight while maintaining muscle?):
high fat only- butter, flax oil
high protein only - chicken
high protein/high fat- eggs, hamburger patties, protein shakes (with or without flax and whipped cream)
Please, you all don't know how important this is to me. I've had a lot of problems in my life lately like my father dying and I've put on some pounds like a damn woman eating to help her depression, but I need to lose the weight quickly. I'm trying to lose the weight to raise my chances of getting into a relationship with a girl that I'm literally in love with, and getting in shape isn't just going to make me look better, it's probably going to make my already pathetic and depressing life better. Please, I really need this. If all I can consume is butter and drink water, I'll do it; however, I would prefer to keep the muscle mass that I do still have. Still, I'm willing to get out of ketosis while I still have some fat left on my body so as to more easily convert it to muscle than having nothing on me at all.
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