Need FEEDBACK 20 years old!

[Hamburgular101]

Hi, I'm currently 20 years old and been clean for almost a year now. I started using steroids when I was 17 and was definitely young and dumb. My first cycle was 500mg/week test enanthate for 10 weeks. I did a 4 week clomid PCT. In order to put on more size for football I did another cycle of test and some tren acetate about 6 months later and did a PCT, but I wasn't near recovered. About another 6 months later I did another cycle of test and tren and decided after having no libido to speak of to go see my doctor and get bloodwork done. Here are the results. I'm still waiting on my estrogen lab to get back.

FSH: 1.3 (1.6-8.0mIU/mL)
LH: 3.1 (1.5-9.3mIU/mL)
Prolactin: 14.3 (2.0-18.0 ng/mL)
Cortisol: 28.2 (mcg/dL)
ACTH, Plasma: 57 (pg/mL)
Test: 363 (200-1100)

My CBC and Comp Metabolic Panel all came back normal so I won't bother posting that unless anyone cares to see what it is. Any feedback is much appreciated, what should I do? My sex drive is decent now, but not like it was when I was a Jr. in highschool before I ever took anything. I'm wondering if I have secondary hypogonadism. Thanks all

 

[splperformance]

well what you did is possibly screw your libido for the rest of your life since you messed with your test levels so dramatically at such an early age and so often...this is why we always tell KIDS not to take roids until they are atleast 21 at the youngest...and the worst part is, you did all this fucking with your body and I bet you're not even playing college ball now are you??

 

[nzrodney]

Not good results but at least you have something to work with. Expect your estradiol levels to be in the can as well. When did you finish your last cycle of test & tren? Did you do PCT for this cycle? Clomid on its own is a very poor drug for use on PCT. I will be interested to hear what your Doc has to offer in advise. I would suggest that you enter into a in depth PCT program & look at natural test boosters to help you get back into action. This will include an estrogen & prolactin drug regime. We will see what others have to say & await your comments.

 

[lilj888]

well what you did is possibly screw your libido for the rest of your life since you messed with your test levels so dramatically at such an early age and so often...this is why we always tell KIDS not to take roids until they are atleast 21 at the youngest...and the worst part is, you did all this fucking with your body and I bet you're not even playing college ball now are you??

why dont u give the kid a break he didnt no better he admitted it and now he wants help, dont put him down in the shitter more then he is and try to help

 

[Hamburgular101]

Not good results but at least you have something to work with. Expect your estradiol levels to be in the can as well. When did you finish your last cycle of test & tren? Did you do PCT for this cycle? Clomid on its own is a very poor drug for use on PCT. I will be interested to hear what your Doc has to offer in advise. I would suggest that you enter into a in depth PCT program & look at natural test boosters to help you get back into action. This will include an estrogen & prolactin drug regime. We will see what others have to say & await your comments.

Yes I did 2500HCG for 2 weeks 5 shots total, clomid and nolva for 4 weeks. I even used some cabergoline to get prolactin back down after tren was stopped. I stopped the cabergoline in January. I have been clean of anabolics since August 2007. I have an endocrinologist appointment on July 2nd. I'm assuming my cortisol and ACTH are high because of the testosterone and estrogen imbalance?

 

[ILOVEAAS]

Look mate, you done fuck all wrong. Theres nothing wrong with you, when shit goes wrong dont blame the bloody gear.
The only time it decides to go down is in times of HIGH STRESS(i.e exams my life count upon, work etc), high stress produces cortisol and enough of this causes hypogonadism, its the main cause.

No, your testosterone is absolutely fucking fine. This stuff does not shut you down and cause your problems, 6 months is plenty gap to get 100% recovered, PLENTY of time to recover.

Consider your life-style right now, if your shagging like a porn-star, got a hot gf, drive a ferrari, then no cortisol! If your strapped down and have problems, theres cortisol right there, and thats reducing your libido.

This is actually a good case of sensible AAS use, and I for one commend you.

 

[*The_West*]

Look mate, you done fuck all wrong. Theres nothing wrong with you, when shit goes wrong dont blame the bloody gear.
The only time it decides to go down is in times of HIGH STRESS(i.e exams my life count upon, work etc), high stress produces cortisol and enough of this causes hypogonadism, its the main cause.

No, your testosterone is absolutely fucking fine. This stuff does not shut you down and cause your problems, 6 months is plenty gap to get 100% recovered, PLENTY of time to recover.

Consider your life-style right now, if your shagging like a porn-star, got a hot gf, drive a ferrari, then no cortisol! If your strapped down and have problems, theres cortisol right there, and thats reducing your libido.

This is actually a good case of sensible AAS use, and I for one commend you.

how the hell you work that one out? aas suppresses endogenous test production, and without correct pct protocols is plenty capable of shutting you down.
so taking aas from the age of 17 is sensible?without proper pct or even the use of hcg on cycle? you havnt got a clue mate.

 

[Hamburgular101]

how the hell you work that one out? aas suppresses endogenous test production, and without correct pct protocols is plenty capable of shutting you down.
so taking aas from the age of 17 is sensible?without proper pct or even the use of hcg on cycle? you havnt got a clue mate.

I did use HCG though after both cycles. I wasn't fully recovered when I started my 3rd cycle.

 

[ILOVEAAS]

how the hell you work that one out? aas suppresses endogenous test production, and without correct pct protocols is plenty capable of shutting you down.
so taking aas from the age of 17 is sensible?without proper pct or even the use of hcg on cycle? you havnt got a clue mate.

You havent got a clue. Please read the quote below, then read up.
Thats a dam good PCT for a 17 year old, he even took 6 month breaks, thats sensible use right there.

Yes I did 2500HCG for 2 weeks 5 shots total, clomid and nolva for 4 weeks. I even used some cabergoline to get prolactin back down after tren was stopped.

There are varying levels of suppression caused by these drugs, and with or without PCT, you are going to recover regardless. For example, how did the likes of Frank Zane and Arnie with NO PCT recover?

If you say gear shuts you down, then by all means it makes you infertile, as testosterone is required for spermatogenesis, therefore no bodybuilder or even recreational gear user who does not DO PCT has NO ability to reproduce - according to your argument.

Taking AAS at any age is sensible, as long as its done correctly. Theres noted journals for 1 year olds in the 1960s that used AAS, then checked up on 30 years later without ANY health complication. I for one are 100% pro steroid regardless of age, of course with dependent factors.

Using HCG on cycle is a waste of time, Why? Because the whole stupid worry of LH coming back and back then being suppresses will fuck your pituitary's sensitivity up, therefore making PCT even more bloody difficult. If your considering helping LH and keeping it high on cycle, you should dose nolva, 10mg-40mg daily.

Any questions?

I did use HCG though after both cycles. I wasn't fully recovered when I started my 3rd cycle.

You are fully recovered, your test. is back, and it isnt 0. So please stop bloody crying. Because the test. is low does not necessarily mean your not recovered, my test was 2500 when I last checked it - thats recovery for you?
Me old boy you dont know the meaning of recovery, did you even take your result before your started the gear?

If your so bothered about your test levels, I'll show you how to do a regime that will bring them back 100%. Its a 45 day course of HCG, NOLVA, CLOMID that is proven by physicians on males with much lower testosterone than you.

 

[Hamburgular101]

You havent got a clue. Please read the quote below, then read up.
Thats a dam good PCT for a 17 year old, he even took 6 month breaks, thats sensible use right there.



There are varying levels of suppression caused by these drugs, and with or without PCT, you are going to recover regardless. For example, how did the likes of Frank Zane and Arnie with NO PCT recover?

If you say gear shuts you down, then by all means it makes you infertile, as testosterone is required for spermatogenesis, therefore no bodybuilder or even recreational gear user who does not DO PCT has NO ability to reproduce - according to your argument.

Taking AAS at any age is sensible, as long as its done correctly. Theres noted journals for 1 year olds in the 1960s that used AAS, then checked up on 30 years later without ANY health complication. I for one are 100% pro steroid regardless of age, of course with dependent factors.

Using HCG on cycle is a waste of time, Why? Because the whole stupid worry of LH coming back and back then being suppresses will fuck your pituitary's sensitivity up, therefore making PCT even more bloody difficult. If your considering helping LH and keeping it high on cycle, you should dose nolva, 10mg-40mg daily.

Any questions?



You are fully recovered, your test. is back, and it isnt 0. So please stop bloody crying. Because the test. is low does not necessarily mean your not recovered, my test was 2500 when I last checked it - thats recovery for you?
Me old boy you dont know the meaning of recovery, did you even take your result before your started the gear?

If your so bothered about your test levels, I'll show you how to do a regime that will bring them back 100%. Its a 45 day course of HCG, NOLVA, CLOMID that is proven by physicians on males with much lower testosterone than you.

No I didn't take a bloodtest before I started it. I was a whole lot hornier and energetic then though too. Common sense tells me I was on the higher end of the spectrum for my age as far as testosterone goes. Right now, however, I am not. Please explain cortisol better than stress because there are a whole lot more explanations of high cortisol and ACTH levels than your "high stress" theory. Imbalances in test and estrogen can throw off the circadian rythym which affects cortisol and ACTH levels. I came here to get advice from people experienced in hypogonadism in young adults, not to have your shitty theories thrown in my face.

 

[ILOVEAAS]

No I didn't take a bloodtest before I started it. I was a whole lot hornier and energetic then though too. Common sense tells me I was on the higher end of the spectrum for my age as far as testosterone goes. Right now, however, I am not. Please explain cortisol better than stress because there are a whole lot more explanations of high cortisol and ACTH levels than your "high stress" theory. Imbalances in test and estrogen can throw off the circadian rythym which affects cortisol and ACTH levels. I came here to get advice from people experienced in hypogonadism in young adults, not to have your shitty theories thrown in my face.

So you are living the life of a rockstar/pornstar?

You ask for feedback and you got it, its all scientific, and not pseudo-science like you keep advising yourself.

Being a whole lot hornier or energetic does not make a fucking difference, because you dont feel that now, at 17 you are care-free and presumably your life is fucked right now, so your having issues with your dick.

Common sense tells you fuck all mate, if you know anything about circadian rhythm, its about how all these hormones work together to produce the phenotype of the person.

My high stress theory is obviously correct, because instead of going along with my help, that will prove fruitful, you decide to throw it in my face, the result of this irritability just shows you are obviously under stress, before resorting to any endocrinologist or people on here, sort your fucking life out. It will make all the difference.

These are not my theory's, these are theory's by the worlds leading endocrinologists, if you dont believe me, ask your own.

I honestly dont know where the fuck your getting this science from.

people experienced in hypogonadism in young adults

I've never experienced it, but I'm a pharmacist and an endocrinologist.

 

[Hamburgular101]

So you are living the life of a rockstar/pornstar?

You ask for feedback and you got it, its all scientific, and not pseudo-science like you keep advising yourself.

Being a whole lot hornier or energetic does not make a fucking difference, because you dont feel that now, at 17 you are care-free and presumably your life is fucked right now, so your having issues with your dick.

Common sense tells you fuck all mate, if you know anything about circadian rhythm, its about how all these hormones work together to produce the phenotype of the person.

My high stress theory is obviously correct, because instead of going along with my help, that will prove fruitful, you decide to throw it in my face, the result of this irritability just shows you are obviously under stress, before resorting to any endocrinologist or people on here, sort your fucking life out. It will make all the difference.

These are not my theory's, these are theory's by the worlds leading endocrinologists, if you dont believe me, ask your own.

I honestly dont know where the fuck your getting this science from.



I've never experienced it, but I'm a pharmacist and an endocrinologist.

Gotcha...

 

[EarthRider]

LOL this is intense. If I needed medical attention I would rather hear it from Europe than American Doctors. He is trying to help you in a natural way which I love about European Doctors, instead of our American way. In America one drug screws you up so lets get on another drug and see what happens. I am just saying this. But yeah man, I noticed when I turned 21, I had a lot less energy and sex drive. I also had a lot more stress and responsibilities. I had nothing else on my mind in high school other than football and girls.

 

[dabuffguy]

You havent got a clue. Please read the quote below, then read up.
Thats a dam good PCT for a 17 year old, he even took 6 month breaks, thats sensible use right there.



There are varying levels of suppression caused by these drugs, and with or without PCT, you are going to recover regardless. For example, how did the likes of Frank Zane and Arnie with NO PCT recover?

If you say gear shuts you down, then by all means it makes you infertile, as testosterone is required for spermatogenesis, therefore no bodybuilder or even recreational gear user who does not DO PCT has NO ability to reproduce - according to your argument.

Taking AAS at any age is sensible, as long as its done correctly. Theres noted journals for 1 year olds in the 1960s that used AAS, then checked up on 30 years later without ANY health complication. I for one are 100% pro steroid regardless of age, of course with dependent factors.

Using HCG on cycle is a waste of time, Why? Because the whole stupid worry of LH coming back and back then being suppresses will fuck your pituitary's sensitivity up, therefore making PCT even more bloody difficult. If your considering helping LH and keeping it high on cycle, you should dose nolva, 10mg-40mg daily.

Any questions?



You are fully recovered, your test. is back, and it isnt 0. So please stop bloody crying. Because the test. is low does not necessarily mean your not recovered, my test was 2500 when I last checked it - thats recovery for you?
Me old boy you dont know the meaning of recovery, did you even take your result before your started the gear?

If your so bothered about your test levels, I'll show you how to do a regime that will bring them back 100%. Its a 45 day course of HCG, NOLVA, CLOMID that is proven by physicians on males with much lower testosterone than you.

Listen, don't start acting like a bitch and a know it all when you have 3 posts here. AAS use before 21 is NOT sensible. Period. Ever. Unless it is doctor monitored and legal with proper doses. He took fucking tren @ 17 and you say that is sensible? What a fucking joke. I don't give a shit if a 1960's journal said it's okay. Medical science is leaps and bounds ahead of the 60's and todays science says BAD IDEA. Why in the hell would you ever think that a growing teenager ever using steroids is sensible? Shutting down his hormone production, when his body is still figuring itself out.

We can help the guy now but saying his use was sensible is heinous. Whether he did a "good PCT for 17" or not, it was not sensible at all. Yeah, these guys shouldn't have chomped on his balls, but you saying AAS use at any age is fucking ridiculous.


BTW, if you give anyone here advice on using steroids that is under 21, you'll get your ass banned in 2 seconds. Forum rules. Don't like it? Get the hell out.




Kid, go see a doctor and get it sorted out with him. Stay away from steroids.

 

[Hamburgular101]

Listen, don't start acting like a bitch and a know it all when you have 3 posts here. AAS use before 21 is NOT sensible. Period. Ever. Unless it is doctor monitored and legal with proper doses. He took fucking tren @ 17 and you say that is sensible? What a fucking joke. I don't give a shit if a 1960's journal said it's okay. Medical science is leaps and bounds ahead of the 60's and todays science says BAD IDEA. Why in the hell would you ever think that a growing teenager ever using steroids is sensible? Shutting down his hormone production, when his body is still figuring itself out.

We can help the guy now but saying his use was sensible is heinous. Whether he did a "good PCT for 17" or not, it was not sensible at all. Yeah, these guys shouldn't have chomped on his balls, but you saying AAS use at any age is fucking ridiculous.


BTW, if you give anyone here advice on using steroids that is under 21, you'll get your ass banned in 2 seconds. Forum rules. Don't like it? Get the hell out.




Kid, go see a doctor and get it sorted out with him. Stay away from steroids.

thanks i have an endo apt on july 2nd so i will post up what the doc says.

 

[halfcenturian]

MOD EDIT: What Mr Centurian meant to say was that he doesnt neccessarily care for you.

 

[drsketch]

Kick his ass seabass.. haha

 

[jnef]

edit: should have read whole thread

 

[eddymerckx]

sorry. we do not give advice to anyone under 21. at your age you have years on natural growth that bros my age cannot even get w/gear. stick around, read, learn, then if you ever decide to take the plunge your body and mine are each ready

In the meantime--have your docs try and fix your issues--you are too young to have perm or long-lasting damage b/c you did not see specialist

 

[needtogetaas]

So you are living the life of a rockstar/pornstar?

You ask for feedback and you got it, its all scientific, and not pseudo-science like you keep advising yourself.

Being a whole lot hornier or energetic does not make a fucking difference, because you dont feel that now, at 17 you are care-free and presumably your life is fucked right now, so your having issues with your dick.

Common sense tells you fuck all mate, if you know anything about circadian rhythm, its about how all these hormones work together to produce the phenotype of the person.

My high stress theory is obviously correct, because instead of going along with my help, that will prove fruitful, you decide to throw it in my face, the result of this irritability just shows you are obviously under stress, before resorting to any endocrinologist or people on here, sort your fucking life out. It will make all the difference.

These are not my theory's, these are theory's by the worlds leading endocrinologists, if you dont believe me, ask your own.

I honestly dont know where the fuck your getting this science from.



I've never experienced it, but I'm a pharmacist and an endocrinologist.

Buy bro. You suck at life and you suck on ef to.