Need clarification on PCT

[superclock]

On my second day of four weeks Cyclotren, then an additional four weeks of added Havoc. The PCT should be 8 weeks then, correct? If I were to purchase some liquinolva would I need two bottles to complete the PCT? Is that enough, or should I also add another OTC supp? I want to purchase the stuff now to have it on hand.

 

[Primordial Performance]

On my second day of four weeks Cyclotren, then an additional four weeks of added Havoc. The PCT should be 8 weeks then, correct? If I were to purchase some liquinolva would I need two bottles to complete the PCT? Is that enough, or should I also add another OTC supp? I want to purchase the stuff now to have it on hand.

I would run the Havoc and Cyclotren together for the synergistic effect and to shorten the cycle length. (4-6 weeks)

If you're only on for 4-6 weeks, then you would be fine with a 4 week PCT.

Sustain Alpha would have you covered for PCT, which less side-effects than the Nolva.

-Eric

 

[Elementality]

Two bottles of nolvadex is over kill man. Nolvadex is probably more harsh on your body than cyclo and havoc combined first of all, and with one you shouldn't even need to complete the entire bottle for a 4 week PCT using doses required for something milder like havoc. I'm in PCT right now for a 4 week havoc, 6 week cyclotren stack and for PCT i WAS going to use Nolva + PCS. I won't go into it, but someone found my nolvadex who is a so called "medical expert" and immediately poured the entire bottle down the sink <goddamnit...> so I'm stuck only with PCS. It's been a week with PCS only + my other regular supplements and I actually have gained another pound, more strength, no longer feel lethargic <from the havoc i think> and everything down below works just fine.

I was going to buy more nolvadex, but, i'm feeling good so I think I will just continue with PCS. Most people don't run a SERM for havoc anyway if ya look around the internet.

Then again it has only been a week so if anything happens to me I'll let you know ;P

 

[miplank]

I would run the cyclotren the full 8 weeks, throw the havoc in for the last 4.

I'm running some AI cycle support during the cycle as well.

For PCT, I have AI post cycle support and GM Novedex.

 

[superclock]

This is my first cycle ever, so the four weeks of Cyclotren, followed by adding in the Havoc for the last four weeks sounds "safer" to me. So far I'm liking the effects of the Cyclotren. It's only day three, but I'm feeling slightly "up" all the time. I'm also on Omega's ultra stack (Amp02, Lipoflame, Raw MCC). Some people have stated that they stopped the NO2 supps on the cycle. Not sure what to do about that.

I've been on a caloric deficit, but with lots of protein. Should I be taking in more calories for the duration of this cycle? My goal is to lean up and lose bf. Right now I'm around 17.5%.

As far as PCT goes, I'm leaning towards one of JAM's packages, but the PP stuff looks good too. Not sure about that one yet. Do I need to worry about PCT products if a ban ever happens?

Thanks again for the help.

 

[miplank]

Not unless your wanting to bulk...


You don't need to worry about the PCT stuff..it isn't on the ban list.

Cyclotren is non-methylated...so you can run it the duration of your cycle. Havoc I wouldn't run longer than 4weeks though.

Some people stop the n02 products as they get "too pumped" as a result of taking it along w/the cyclotren. If it doesn't bother you..keep taking it.

I personally only take lipoflame with my havoc/cyclotren.

 

[superclock]

So far the only thing that bothers me is that I don't look pupmed all the time!! The pump on Amp02 is kick ass. It's the ultimate bio-feedback.

When did you start seeing results from the Cyclotren?

 

[miplank]

I started taking my havoc at the front end of my cycle...So its hard to say, but I started noticing physical differences after about 2 weeks.

Your only on day 4...give it a lil time. You'll see

 

[superclock]

I would run the Havoc and Cyclotren together for the synergistic effect and to shorten the cycle length. (4-6 weeks)

If you're only on for 4-6 weeks, then you would be fine with a 4 week PCT.

Sustain Alpha would have you covered for PCT, which less side-effects than the Nolva.

-Eric

Eric,
I guess I assume a longer cycle is safer for some reason. Really, it's just an uneducated feeling. Is a shorter cycle safer?

 

[Primordial Performance]

Eric,
I guess I assume a longer cycle is safer for some reason. Really, it's just an uneducated feeling. Is a shorter cycle safer?

Nether option is dangerous or less safe IMO.

I say do the shorter/higher dosed cycle because it will reduce the amount of time your testes will be suppressed. The longer the cycle, the harder recovery becomes. (Same rules apply to pro-hormone cycles, as steroid cycles)

For instance, the body can easily bounce back from 4 week cycle in less than a week. However, it make take 4-5 weeks to bounce back from an 8 week cycle.

-Pp

 

[Elementality]

This is my first cycle ever, so the four weeks of Cyclotren, followed by adding in the Havoc for the last four weeks sounds "safer" to me. So far I'm liking the effects of the Cyclotren. It's only day three, but I'm feeling slightly "up" all the time. I'm also on Omega's ultra stack (Amp02, Lipoflame, Raw MCC). Some people have stated that they stopped the NO2 supps on the cycle. Not sure what to do about that.

I've been on a caloric deficit, but with lots of protein. Should I be taking in more calories for the duration of this cycle? My goal is to lean up and lose bf. Right now I'm around 17.5%.

As far as PCT goes, I'm leaning towards one of JAM's packages, but the PP stuff looks good too. Not sure about that one yet. Do I need to worry about PCT products if a ban ever happens?

Thanks again for the help.

Some people may tell you different dude, but, if you're taking havoc n cyclotren and you want your moneys worth then I think you need to eat a lot. They're both really good products, but only if you use them right. Yeah I guess Havoc really is a "steroid" but a ferrari and Ford touris are also both cars, right?

To try and cut body fat and benefit from the small test boost from these compounds to build muscle is a waste in my opinion. The best and fullest results of this stack come from hardcore lifting at the gym followed by massive eating <in your case i guess clean since your concerned bout bf> and lots of rest which won't be a problem considering havoc will make you lethargic.

My diet wasnt really good at all during this cycle. I gotta say i was influenced by michael phelps. I just ate a crapload of pizza, bread, peanutbutter, any kind of meat i could get my hands on <some good, some not so good> and I gained 10 lbs in 6 weeks.

I didnt measure my bodyfat, but I dont look any fatter at all and my strength is way up.

I should also add I'm always doing a lot of cardio through hobbies n sports too.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Hows the cycle goin bro?

-Pp

 

[superclock]

Hows the cycle goin bro?

-Pp

Going good. I just got back from an overseas business trip. I was able to work out every day, but struggled to get enough good protein. I ate good stuff, just not enough of it. I will be better prepared next time. End of the third week is Saturday and so far I have gained between 6 and 7 lbs, but I have maintained the same bf%. Definitely more vascular and my pumped up state is awesome. Strength is way up and that is what really blows my mind. I got compliments from colleagues in Europe about looking really good, so that is always nice

I have a box here from you that should contain my PCT stack as well as a bottle of Dermacrine. I'll start the Dermacrine tomorrow morning.

I think I'll take the advice to eat more and I'm going to add some more volume to the training routine. I pushed the volume up in Europe thinking I would be super sore, and wound up recovering very quickly.