Need a substitute for ECA...

[Mrngrm]

I'm tired of dealing with ECA, not because of what I have heard from the uneducated mass media in regard to it causing death, for I am a firm believer that those who died had bad hearts/took too much. The reason is, I have heard some rumors (which may or may not be bullshit) about ephedrine having an effect similar to ecstasy, as far as what it does to your brain. Even if it's not likely to be true, the meager benefits I get from taking it would not measure up to the risks. I dont take it every day, as a fat burner, I just take it on gym day, three days per week. My question is, does anyone know of something that would give me similar effects for my workout, such as some sort of Yohimbe stack? Please let me know of my options. I want to be done with ECA. Thank you.

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

you could try diesel fuel

To be honest i feel pretty much like u now. I've taken an ECY stack and got good results. I though my workouts would suffer from not taking it anymore but i do manage to push myself to the same intensity. I don't feel quite as "Pyched" if i dont take them though which got me wondering, did they actually enhance performance or just made me think that I had "super human powers"

 

[Ceebs]

The reason is, I have heard some rumors (which may or may not be bullshit) about ephedrine having an effect similar to ecstasy, as far as what it does to your brain.

Not true in the slightest. The closest that ephedrine and methylenedioxy-n-methylamphetamine (MDMA, or ecstasy) come to one another is that they both induce a feeling of euphoria, but through different biochemical mechanisms. Ecstasy affects serotonin mostly, while ephedrine affects dopaminergic pathways.

If you're still looking for something to kill your appetite and amp you up for the gym sans ephedrine, though, Thermorexin by Anabolicfitness is a wonderful product. http://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?id=59

 

[beefybull]

Thats really not a very good reason to avoid ephedra. You should get pure Ephedrine HCL from Canada. If you're stubborn about quitting eph. and you want a similar rush (but not as strong) to ECA, just get regular caffeine.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sf/caffeine.html

AF's NYC is good as well. I looked at Thermorexin's list of ingredients and it looks like a very solid product, although a bit pricey.

 

[Mrngrm]

it seems like I can't stay as hard when I have a condom on, if it's the day I took ECA. That is another side effect which I don't appreciate.

 

[*Fucker]

That could be remedied by using yohimbe.

For me, yohimbe = erection.

 

[jerkbox]

try NYC

 

[*Fucker]

The only real NYC stack is only available at the AF store now, right?

 

[Babyfaced Assassin]

i think so, which makes me wonder about its credibility

 

[JokerJimmy]

I use L-tyrosine (2-4grams), choline (350-700mg) and piracetam 800-1600mg--THAT is the real deal for me--maybe some green tea for a little caffiene or just add a 200mg caff pill and yohimbine.

L-tyro and choline you can get cheap at B.A.C. (powders)
Piracetam I got mine from vitabrain

L-tyro is a good stim and piracetam is the shit for concentraion