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harsher than I expected...I guess Ron Artest can work on that rap album now.


The NBA responded harshly to the fight Friday. ESPN Motionin Detroit. Ron Artest will not play this year. Stephen Jackson will miss 30 games, Jermaine O'Neal 25, Ben Wallace six and Anthony Johnson five. Four others received one-game suspensions and fines.
 
yeah dude they were really harsh, i like how they dont say what happened to the fans who assaulted them also, they threw shit at artest which started it

theres been so many fights in sports lately, first the steelers game last week, then the usc(carolina) v clemson game, then the NBA
 
I predicted right on the suspension times, Stern is no joke.
 
The Shadow said:
he should have been charges with assault
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i think they are still working on that part??
these fans are gonna have lawsuits too..i cant imagine how many lawyers are prolly trying to hunt down the guy that was pummeled on the court!! :rolleyes:
 
sconoscuito said:
pacers can kiss playoffs goodbye

thats fucked up though, the fans were bitches
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The fans might have been at fault, but when you are in the player's position you need to understand what your actions are going to cost you. Artest didn't even know who to go after as he didn't see who through the drink. He just went to the first guy who didn't move out of his way.
 
Man when someones throws a beer at you, you just atomatically flip out. About 80% of fights at parties are because of that, someone spilling beer on someone, even if it was just an accident. At least over here it is.

Now a guy who makes it to the nba is about 100x more aggresive than an average joe on the street. Thats usually why they make it that far, you cant be weak at that level. Obviously he's gonna go after someone, and when you're fighting the whole arena usually you're not thinking about the consequences.

All in all, that foul wasnt even that bad, if fans werent involved nothing big woulda happend.
 
sconoscuito said:
pacers can kiss playoffs goodbye

thats fucked up though, the fans were bitches
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The NBA players are professionals -- and they need to act like it, instead of punks who make $1 mill + a year (or whatever they make). Tough shit, some guy threw a beer at you, grow a set, and be a fucking man & ignore it. Be better than the asshole you encounter. While what the fans did was wrong, the fans did not deserve Artest coming into the stands & throwing punches. The suspensions are deserved.....

Oh and all the violence & BS over being "disrespected" is BS & just an excuse to act inappropriately....
 
jenscats5 said:
The NBA players are professionals -- and they need to act like it, instead of punks who make $1 mill + a year (or whatever they make). Tough shit, some guy threw a beer at you, grow a set, and be a fucking man & ignore it. Be better than the asshole you encounter. While what the fans did was wrong, the fans did not deserve Artest coming into the stands & throwing punches. The suspensions are deserved.....

Oh and all the violence & BS over being "disrespected" is BS & just an excuse to act inappropriately....
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maybe in wnba that would happen but I doubt it, not in this world.

No "MAN" will ignore that.
 
Especially not a pro athlete, you have to consider where they came from and even more important than that you have to realize everything they went through.

lot of people dont know that and think they just get lucky.
 
sconoscuito said:
maybe in wnba that would happen but I doubt it, not in this world.

No "MAN" will ignore that.
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Bullshit.....

This ain't the old neighborhood and that punk ass 'tude shouldn't be allowed to fly in professional sports....

Unfortunately, it has been expected & encouraged with players.....

Plus, IT WAS A FREAKIN PLASTIC CUP OF BEER!!! Now if it was a brick or a tire iron that's one thing......but a cup????????????
 
yea but thats about as bad as a slap in the face if not worse.

and if that type of attitude shouldnt be allowed to fly than we would have no lebrons, jordans, garnetts etc etc. The one reason they are in this league is because they are lot hungrier, lot more aggressive, a lot more out of their minds than rest of population.
 
sconoscuito said:
yea but thats about as bad as a slap in the face if not worse.

and if that type of attitude shouldnt be allowed to fly than we would have no lebrons, jordans, garnetts etc etc. The one reason they are in this league is because they are lot hungrier, lot more aggressive, a lot more out of their minds than rest of population.
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That shit only plays in da hood.....LOL (see the post with the pics)
 
on top of all that once again, the foul wasnt that bad and he got pushed by ben wallace, next thing he is trying to stay calm on the table while someone throws a cup of beer at him?

you will loose control because you are first if all in the game, second of all you are fighting someone in the game and third of all some little punk is throwing a cup of beer at you from the stands? for what? a foul? yes that punk deserved to go to hospital.
too bad he didnt.
 
jenscats5 said:
That shit only plays in da hood.....LOL (see the post with the pics)
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only in the hood?

thats what plays in real life. Everywhere, for students its staying up till 3 am studying, for basketball players its staying after practice to shoot 1000 extra jumpers and thats what distingueshes people from one another.
 
That's the problem with society as a whole now days. People feel like they have to be tough or intimidating to be respected, that's not respect they get it's fear. Respect should be reserved for those people who carry themselves with dignity and respect for other people, not for who is the "baddest."
 
sconoscuito said:
only in the hood?

thats what plays in real life. Everywhere, for students its staying up till 3 am studying, for basketball players its staying after practice to shoot 1000 extra jumpers and thats what distingueshes people from one another.
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The agressive "tough guy" behavior is unacceptable anywhere else, yes....

Staying up till 3 am studying is not comparable to going after someone for throwing a cup at you.....or shooting someone for "looking at you funny."

I live in a "hood" of sorts....and the shootings we've had recently were over BS shit like this.....where some young punk "playa" over-reacted to someone else supposedly "dissing" him and came back later & shot his punk ass....

WTF does staying up studying have to do with Artest flipping out & beating up the wrong guy for throwing a beer at him? (read in a news article that the guy in the black shirt was the wrong guy)
 
If it wasn't Ron Artest I don't think he would have been suspended for the entire year. Granted I do agree he should be gone for the year, but Stephen Jackson was even more out of Control in the stands then Artest. Artest definitely has a history, and I would bet David Stern's tolerance of him is very very low. You can't do what he did. He virtually started a low scale riot. The fans are at fault as well, but they don't play basketball and can't be suspended. I'm sure many of them are paying for their actions as well. Everyone is to blame.

Also, I wouldn't group Lebon, Garnett and Jordan in the same category as these jackoffs. You won't ever see those guys do what happened the other night in Indiana. They don't fly off the handle at any given chance like Artest does.

It is very unfortunate for the Pacers and Artest, because the fans did start it so to speak, but nonetheless you have to let it go. They messed up and they have to pay the price. Life isn't always fair, but the punishment definitely fits the crime. Good for David Stern.
 
Way way back when Rudy Tomjanovich got punched out by a player the other guy got suspended for 26 games. I figured he'd get a little less than that.
 
the fans have it worse. They'll get JAIL times and huge fines.

I'd much rather be the millionaire who gets a nice forced vacation.
 
jenscats5 said:
The agressive "tough guy" behavior is unacceptable anywhere else, yes....

Staying up till 3 am studying is not comparable to going after someone for throwing a cup at you.....or shooting someone for "looking at you funny."

I live in a "hood" of sorts....and the shootings we've had recently were over BS shit like this.....where some young punk "playa" over-reacted to someone else supposedly "dissing" him and came back later & shot his punk ass....

WTF does staying up studying have to do with Artest flipping out & beating up the wrong guy for throwing a beer at him? (read in a news article that the guy in the black shirt was the wrong guy)
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you gotta have the desire to stay up till 3 am and study, you could be doing other things like drinking or doing drugs, same goes for basketball.

I was talking about a whole different thing, but if you want to talk about that fight than once again here are the facts.


1) artest gets a foul which wasnt even that bad
2 ) ben wallace pushes him and it was all headed towards a fight, artest just backs off even though he is probobly about to explode with anger, lays down on the table and does no harm to anyone.
3) once again it was just a foul
4) someone throws a beer at him, at this point when he's already pissed off some little punk pretty much slaps him in his face.
5) at this point you can't really control yourself even if all the previus things didnt happen
6) fight breaks out between a guy who splashed artest and jackson with a beer AGAIN, right in their face.

obviously artest would of been fighting, any other human being in the same sitution would do the same thing. Even if it was high school basketball.

If anything at all those fans deserved to be sent back home with broken jaws.
 
sconoscuito said:
you gotta have the desire to stay up till 3 am and study, you could be doing other things like drinking or doing drugs, same goes for basketball.

I was talking about a whole different thing, but if you want to talk about that fight than once again here are the facts.


1) artest gets a foul which wasnt even that bad
2 ) ben wallace pushes him and it was all headed towards a fight, artest just backs off even though he is probobly about to explode with anger, lays down on the table and does no harm to anyone.
3) once again it was just a foul
4) someone throws a beer at him, at this point when he's already pissed off some little punk pretty much slaps him in his face.
5) at this point you can't really control yourself even if all the previus things didnt happen
6) fight breaks out between a guy who splashed artest and jackson with a beer AGAIN, right in their face.

obviously artest would of been fighting, any other human being in the same sitution would do the same thing. Even if it was high school basketball.

If anything at all those fans deserved to be sent back home with broken jaws.
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I agree with most of what you are saying, except the part about the initial foul. The Pacers were up by 15 or so with 40 seconds to go, and Artest fouled Wallace hard on the head. Artest has a history of fouling people hard up high, and Wallace isn't going to put up with that given the circumstances of the game. It wasn't necessary. Wallace should have restrained himself, but nonetheless it wasn't just "any foul."
 
The suspensions are as harsh as a i expected, but the fans were at fault here. Everything on the court had ended before the fans got involved, thats when the entire think escalated. As for the guy Artest fucked up on the court, if you watch the video taht guy was coming up to sucker punch him, hesitated when Artest turned around, and Artest laid him out. Thats called defending yourself. When a professional athlete is involved in a heated contest between a rival like the Pacers and Pistons, i can definitely understand them. I have lost all respect for Detroit fans, what a bunch of fucking punks.
 
sconoscuito said:
5) at this point you can't really control yourself even if all the previus things didnt happen
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well then you cant really complain when you get molested in court

youre a human. not an animal. you CAN control yourself. really.
 
yea courts awesome

thats how people get rich quick these days.

but yea we are human, if we were robots that statement might of been true but liek you said we are human and somtimes we make mistakes and sometimes we lose control.
 
I haven't seen it yet, but if that fan came at him with fists raised, sounds like it was self defense to me. I'm glad he knocked that asshole out.
 
these fans are no different than fans that riot at concerts, or protestors who decide to get violent to get their message across. those players threw half-ass punches and lousy pussy fighting skills. I doubt any fan got seriously hurt. No need for those players to have gotten such stiff sentences. They're acting like the playrs got pissed, walked right up to the fans and started beating them for no reason.
 
ok Artest WALKED AWAY after being violently shoved by Ben Wallace, and was conducting an interview when he got hit with a beer directly in the face. Then he finally gets back onto the court, and some dude is about so sucker punch him, and Artest cleans his clock, the fans are at fucking fault here, not the players.
 
DieHarder said:
ok Artest WALKED AWAY after being violently shoved by Ben Wallace, and was conducting an interview when he got hit with a beer directly in the face. Then he finally gets back onto the court, and some dude is about so sucker punch him, and Artest cleans his clock, the fans are at fucking fault here, not the players.
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They are both at fault. The fan shouldn't have thrown the cup, but more importantly Artest should not have gone into the stands. The players have gotten their punishment, maybe more to come. The fans will get theirs as well.
 
slickdadd said:
but more importantly Artest should not have gone into the stands.
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Reminds me of what Chris Rock would say...

"Oh i know it's wrong. Oh i know it's illegal...

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but I understand!"
 
Free Ron Artest....

NBA.com -> Vote Ron Artest to the all star game.

The entire season was a bit much for what was in some sense self-defense though he should have been given around 40 IMHO, esp when stephen Jackson was doing much more fighting.
 
i dont remember jackie robinson jumping into the stands and beating the shit out of fans with his bat and he endured much worse on a daily basis then these pussies could ever even imagine, the difference between robinson and these players is called class, punishment should of been as follows - artest lifetime ban, oniel and jackson a year ban at the least. fuck em
 
i cant believe some of you are trying to justify the actions of the players that went into the stands-complete bullshit. blindly running into the stands and trying to beat up some guy that didnt do shit to you is unacceptable no matter how you try to spin. i dont give a fuck about where you think they came from or what you think they have gone through in their life. be a fucking man.
 
Here's what most of you are missing.

Artest got hit with a plastic cup (not a bottle) clearly it was not treating his life. Thus his actions that started the riot had no justification. If I were to throw a beer cup at a cop he could not beat the shit out of me, he could arrest me and charge me. Artest should have simply pointed the guy out and have him arrested. Artest and all players are well school by the NBA security to never go into the stands. This is part of the deal when you decide to sign up for millions to play in the NBA, and if you cannot ahead to the rules then like Artest just found out you will be ousted.

Also Artest pummeled the wrong guy, he was out of control and went after the first dude that did not move. S Jackson was throwing haymakers at anyone he saw fit. Like I said before regardless of what a fan dose you let trained security handle it, they are lucky this did not turn into a full on riot. These players are in a job with rules, if you break the rules like any employment you can and will be terminated. I also think Stern wanted to send Artest and his checkered past a message.
 
sconoscuito said:
Especially not a pro athlete, you have to consider where they came from and even more important than that you have to realize everything they went through.

lot of people dont know that and think they just get lucky.
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my younger brother was in the NFL for 7 years
NEVER would have behaved like this
 
I've played with few nba players at a local university

A highschool kid blocked one of the guys shot, he got mad and knocked out his front tooth with an elbow. Apparently he made him look bad.

Kevin Garnett did the same thing to one of the guys who was trying to make the team, the guy scored on him so Garnett socked him in the face. Told him that no one scores on him in practice. That one was all over the news.

I know a guy who's from my country who plays in the nba and when he came and tried to coach the national U19 national team for like 3 days he threw balls at players faces if they did something wrong. Yelled at them even though he hardly knew them and basically those kids had one wish and that was when he would leave.


obviously there is inviduals who would not do something like that but the majority, especially at that age would do it. Maybe few veterans wouldnt do it but majority would do exactly what artest did.

Everyone always knew that artest was a bitchy player but who would have thought oneal and jackson would go at it like that? When something like that happens 99% of the guys in nba will react the same way.
 
sconoscuito said:
yea but thats about as bad as a slap in the face if not worse.

and if that type of attitude shouldnt be allowed to fly than we would have no lebrons, jordans, garnetts etc etc. The one reason they are in this league is because they are lot hungrier, lot more aggressive, a lot more out of their minds than rest of population.
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The funny part about what you have said is that you are trying to justify him starting a fight over a plastic beer cup.

It is as bad as a slap in the face?

How about a hard shove to the throat and face?

Why didn't he lose it and go after the bigger man who shoved him in the first place?

He went after a smaller, easier target rather than to risk an ass-whipping with the other player. He is a punk. Plain and simple.

The fan was in the wrong to start, but the player was absolutely wrong in going into the stands. If it was his job to mete out justice he should have started with the other player.

He deserves his suspension.
 
Mountain Muscle said:
The funny part about what you have said is that you are trying to justify him starting a fight over a plastic beer cup.

It is as bad as a slap in the face?

How about a hard shove to the throat and face?

Why didn't he lose it and go after the bigger man who shoved him in the first place?

He went after a smaller, easier target rather than to risk an ass-whipping with the other player. He is a punk. Plain and simple.

The fan was in the wrong to start, but the player was absolutely wrong in going into the stands. If it was his job to mete out justice he should have started with the other player.

He deserves his suspension.
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Even if he did atack ben wallace it would broken up real quick just like it already did before the fans started throwing shit. He went back at him but there was about 8 players from both teams who already formed the wall and fight was pretty much broken up. I'm assuming he was already angry enaugh and when you get that cup of beer in the face you snap and thats exactly what happened. Theres so much a man can take.
 
sconoscuito: are you able to think clearly at all once a situation goes hectic? like can you keep your cool under tough/crazy situations? maybe you cant but lots of pople are able to handle themselves are at least not make completely stupid decisions.. this isnt a crime of passion or anything like that..

i saw the end of the fight where artest lays out the dude running up to him on teh court and i dont see how anyone can blame artest for hitting that guy.. he really deserved whatever he got.. the guys in the stands im not 100% sure about.. i mean it wouldve been much classier to just walk away..

and security/law enforcement did a poor job by never regaining control of the situation..
 
This was not the first time a players been hit with a beer...I guarantee that. You just don't get involved with the fans. It's called thinking before you act...clearly that didn't happen.

All this shit is one of the reasons I hate basketball, ever since Jordan left it's gone way downhill.
 
Artest went into the stands just because some fan threw a BEER at him. Have you guys been to other sports??? They throw fuckin octopusses and other shit at you in some other sports! lol

Those players are fools for going into the stands. That is when things escalated. As a player you NEVER go into the stands.
 
Ron Artest is a loose cannon that deserved what he got. This is a man who has shown no semblance of self-control since he's been in the NBA, if anything, he's getting worse. You cannot, regardless of provocation (and there wasn't much in this case, somebody threw a plastic cup at you? Whoopee shit. You're what? 6'8", 250 pounds?), go into the stands and punch out fans.

One guy on here made reference to the fact we would have no Garnett's or Jordan's in the league if this behaviour is outlawed. Are you serious? Please tell me that you don't think Garnett or Jordan would actually go into the stands to fight a fan. That would never happen because they have a little thing called self-control. You're comparing Ron Artest to them?

You have guys that have been coddled for their skills since they were little kids making millions of dollars a year. They think they can do whatever they want, they don't even know what consequences are. Good for the leaugue in putting the smackdown on this incident to set a precedent. Professional athletes need to be reminded sometimes that their actions affect others too. I would say that these penalties will serve as that reminder.
 
I hope this will serve as a reminder to those faggots who throw shit at players at the game. Hopefully they will get castred next time they do that.
 
sconoscuito said:
I hope this will serve as a reminder to those faggots who throw shit at players at the game. Hopefully they will get castred next time they do that.
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Anybody that does that should receive a lifetime ban from that arena.
 
basket ball is the only sport without a barrier
fans are not accesable in other sports
i'm glad he knocked that fucker out
should be no punishment at all from the league
stern, that fucking political bastard
just cause artest isnt a league guy
the crappy player form the a's that THREW A CHAIR into the stands didnt get as much
so much for no racism and elitism in the country......
and for all of you who think they make too much money....
just remeber, someone else is signing there checks...
 
Mountain Muscle said:
The fan was in the wrong to start, but the player was absolutely wrong in going into the stands. If it was his job to mete out justice he should have started with the other player.

He deserves his suspension.
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Hell, he didn't even know who threw the cup, and attacked the wrong guy. I hope the fan takes him to the cleaners in civil court.
 
Mr. dB said:
Hell, he didn't even know who threw the cup, and attacked the wrong guy. I hope the fan takes him to the cleaners in civil court.
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I just heard that on TV. I am sure the fan he attacked will have a fat wallet soon.
 
d3track said:
basket ball is the only sport without a barrier
fans are not accesable in other sports
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Wrong, in football players jump in the stands too, but they just do it for the pats on the ass.
 
sconoscuito said:
and when you get that cup of beer in the face you snap and thats exactly what happened. Theres so much a man can take.
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the fight was a tragic waste of beer in my opinion
 
Artest was doing his best to keep cool and finally the situation pulled him over the edge... Nope, whoever did throw the cup i hope was one who got coldcocked b/c that is bs. The other side though whoever got attacked in the stands...yeah prob a big cheque...

And Stern is a dumbass. That's WAY too much of a suspension and they seem not to be fair at all..
 
Apparantly a guy in a white hat with a blue "Wallace" jersey grabbed one of the players in a bear hug during the melee.....on the news tonite, they think it was him who threw the beer at Artest, so they are working on ID-ing him to press charges....

Plus they are looking for the guy who threw the chair...
 
fuck that none of those fuckers are gonna get charged, that's why those guys shoulda snapped their necks for throwing stuff.
 
jenscats5 said:
Apparantly a guy in a white hat with a blue "Wallace" jersey grabbed one of the players in a bear hug during the melee.....on the news tonite, they think it was him who threw the beer at Artest, so they are working on ID-ing him to press charges....

Plus they are looking for the guy who threw the chair...
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Turns out that dude was the prosecuting attorney’s neighbor, that’s the only way they id him. Fuckin irony.
 
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