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Nautilus Training Principles

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12 Rules From Nautilus

1. Perform one set of 4-6 exercises for the lower body and 6-8 exercises for the upper body and not more than 12 exercises in a workout.
2. Select a resistance for each exercise that allows you to do between 8 and 12 repetitions
3. Continue each exercise until no additional repetitions are possible. When 12 or more repetitions are performed, increae the resistance by approximately 5 percent at the next workout.
4. Work the largest muscles first and move quickly from one exercise to the next. This procedure develops cardiovascular endurance.
5. Concentrate on flexibility by slowly stretching during the first three repetitions of each exercise.
6. Accentuate the lowering portion of each repetition.
7. Move slower, never faster, if in doubt about he speed of movement.
8. Do everything possible to isolate and work each large mscle group to exhaustion.
9. Attempt constantly to increase the number of repetitions or the amount of weight or both. But do not sacrifice form in an attempt to produce results.
10. Train no more than three times a week.
11. Keep accurate records - date, resistance, repetitions, and overall training time - of each workout.
12. Vary the workouts.

Progressive Overload:

Progressive overload refers to the practice of continually increasing the stress placed on a muscle as it becomes capable of producing greater force or has more endurance. Achieving the appropriate oveload for each person requires manipulating combinations of training frequency, intensity, and duration, with specific considerations given tot he mode of exercise. With each workout you should try to increase resistance or try to add another repetition. At least 8 repetitions should be performed and not more than 12. If you cannot achieve 8 repetitions, the resistance is too heavy. If you can perform more than 12 repetitions, it is time to increase the resistance by approximately 5% the next workout.
Concentric Muscle Action:

When a weight is being lifted, the muscles involved normally are shortening or contracting. This is termed a concentric muscle action.
Eccentric Muscle Action:

When a weight is being lowered in a controlled manner, themuscles involved are lengthening; also known as a negative workout.
Simple Movement:

A simple movement involves rotation around one joint (e.g.: leg extension).
Compound Movement:

Compound movements involve the rotation around two or more joints (e.g.: inlcine press).
Beginners:

Beginning trainees usualy show acceptable strength gains onmost type of exercise programs. It is important to start slowly and not overload an individual in the early stages of a lifting program. Proper technique, including grip position, breathing (exhale during the lifting of the resisitance and inhale during the lowering of the resistance), speed and range of movement, and body position (maintaining proper body alignment places appropriate stress on muscle and joints and reduces injury) must be emphasized first before increasing weight. Muscle soreness can result from training and can be a limiting factor in exercise.

Sequence:

Workouts should begin with the largest muscle groups and proceed to the smallest. Working large muscles first cases the greates degree of overall body stimulation. If smaller muscle groups are exhausted first, compound movements involving large muscle groups cannot be perfomred with the desired intensity.

Variety:

The human body quickly grows accustomed to almost any kind of activity. It is important to provide growth stimulation in many forms, including varying the weights and repetitions and changing exercises and sequences.

Frequency:

Nautilus recommends that you should rest at least 48 hours but not more than 96 hours between workouts. Adequate time allows muscle cells to get bigger and stronger. A three-times-per-week program seems to stimulate muscle growth and allow proper recovery.

Prestretching:

Prestretching is a natural reflex that brings about a protective response from the muscle. Prestretching stimulates a potentially higher intensity of muscular contraction. When teaching beginners, the emphasis is on a gradual movement rather than a sudden thrust and is best accomplished without resorting to prestretching.

Exercise Technique and Form:

Exercises that are performed correctly promote injury-free results, and do so in a more time-efficient manner than incorrectly performed exercise. Proper form includes both speed and range of movement. Repetitions performed i a slow, smooth manner apply steady force throughout the entire range of motion. For best results, each repetition should be performed in a negative-emphasized (eccentric) manner. For strenth-building purposes, the negative part of the exercise has much more value than the positive portion. Each repetition should take about two seconds to lift a weight smoothly, and four seconds to lower it.

Warm Up and Cool Down:

warming up increases muscle temperature, which increases the speed of movement and power potential, but also minimizes risk of injury. A short warm up increases joint fluids and reduces friction-like resistance, and the elasticity of the tendons and ligaments is increased. Cooling down prevents blood from pooling in your execised muscles. Cool down by walking and stretching until your breathing has returned to normal and your heart rate has slowed.



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Any of you do a Nautilus type routine? Work upper and lower body on the same day, no more than 3x/week?

I'm considering trying this...
 
So, this is a good beginner routine?

I think i'm gonna do:

Monday:
Incline BP
Flyes
Chins
Shrugs
Dips
Squat
Leg Extensions
Walking Lunges
Standing Barbell Curls
Reverse Barbell Curls
Calve Raises

Wednesday:
Flat bp
Clean & Press
Skull Crushers
SLDL
Sumo Deadlifts
Concentration Curls
Calve Raises
Depth Jumps

Friday:
Incline BP
Military Press
Front DB raises
Hammer Curls
Cheat Curls
Deadlift
DB rows
Front Squat
Walking Lunges
Calve Raises

Should I change that order? Is that a good naut routine?

It says, keep variety.. Should I change up the order and lifts each week, or every couple of weeks?

Is it 1 x 12 for all lifts?

I'm 165lbs/5'10.. I'm gonna be taking in 3.5K calories/day -- bulk... Or would a Keto, AD, or tdawg diet be better?

Thanks :fro: :fro:
 
Working the entire body 3x per week????

B True
 
I checked into a Hotel one time and they tell me they have a Fitness Center.
I'm like "Yo Dude Cool"

So I stroll down there and open the door.
It's a Hotel room stuffed with Vintage Chain driven Rusty Nautilus Equip.

Half of the stuff was broken..

Occasionally I use a machine at the Y and they have brand new CYBEX throughout.

Nice Smooth Belts..
 
This routine is quite similar to the ones the strength coaches at Penn State recomend. They however prescribe workouts that will build strength, they are not worried so much about size.
 
I don't at all agree with those principles but kindly explain what is wrong with fullbody routines 3X a week, B true?

-Zulu
 
ZZuluZ said:
I don't at all agree with those principles but kindly explain what is wrong with fullbody routines 3X a week, B true?
-Zulu

I'm sure Bfold will have something to say but if I work ONE area HARD lets say Back or Legs on a Monday, I'm not ready to blast them again for at *Least* 3 days because I'm still sore.
With a 3 times a week split doing it all each day, I would not get enough rest between W/O's.

Most beginners are taught to do moderate whole body W/O's until they get the form down and the connective tissues are ready for a HEAVY INTENSE 3 or 4 day split.

Hit very hard seperate areas such as CHEST/TRI then BACK/BI then LEGS then SHOULDERS each on a seperate day of the week.
 
ZZuluZ said:
I don't at all agree with those principles but kindly explain what is wrong with fullbody routines 3X a week, B true?

-Zulu

For starters, I don't know anyone who is a freak (in size or strength) that had trained their entire body 3x per week.

If I train my chest on Monday...it does not recover for atleast 4 days. How can I train it with only 2 days rest. I am a firm believer of training "balls to the wall" and if you take that notion about your training then you should not be able to train the entire body 3x per week.

If you are talking about using machines...that may be a different story...I'm not a machine fan at all...

B True
 
Neither am I.

I'm talking about NOT going balls to the wall. I don't believe in going to failure.

And I know of VERY VERY many people who have trained this way amongst them bodybuilding greats [pre steriod era].

-Zulu
 
:elephant: :o
Zulu doesn't believe in the fundamental principles of lifting. His 4 months of accumulated training wisdom has evelated him to a level of training which we mere mortals shall never partake.
:angel:
Him and SSAlexSS
 
I don't believe in one routine as truth. I think many things will work as long as variables are tinkered with accordingly I also believe in periodization.

Kindly refrain from attacking me in threads where I am not addressing myself to you.

-Zulu
 
Thaibox said:
:elephant: :o
Zulu doesn't believe in the fundamental principles of lifting. His 4 months of accumulated training wisdom has evelated him to a level of training which we mere mortals shall never partake.
:angel:
Him and SSAlexSS

:lmao:

Don't know if you are describing ZZulu accurately or not...but I know that this is exactly the way I feel about a lot of people who give advice. I have trained for 9 years, hard, and hard core. I still don't feel that science "smarts" (lol) can replace work done on the field.

Balls to the wall doesn't have to be to failure...

B True
 
You think training 3X a week fullbody is unproductive?

THEN EXPLAIN WHY.

Bfold, because you're a strongman competitor and have trained for 9 years, you expect people to blindly follow your advice?

You don't have to respect me....but you really should respect people with degrees in science and who take a scientifical approach to lifting.

The way you train is a spinoff of WestSide based on the conjugated method by Vladimir Zatziorski and his research. Of course, you think he's nothing but a pencil neck geek, but without him you wouldn't be as strong as you are today.

I can't believe I have to explain this in every fucking thread.

-Zulu
 
So, this is no good?

I was reading about the Colorado Experiment and someone gained like 60+lbs of lean muscle on this type of routine in only 28 days.....
 
That's a great routine. These days I'm having a hard time not going to the gym every day. I'm doing 3-4 days a week full body. Nothing wrong with it at all.

These guys who train less frequently, naturally get more sore, and so they feel that raining more frequently is an impossibility. It's not.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with 1 or 2 times a week, you just won't gain as fast IMO. But yes, you have to keep it a notch lower on the "intensity" as people would call it (misuse of the word though).
 
I thought I would gain faster on this type of a routine than a normal 1 body part each week split..especially since i'm a beginner.. then when the 10 weeks is up, go to a normal routine...

I was just looking for some different type of stuff.. I see a lot of people who do the normal shit, and don't get any results...
 
Need Help,

If you are a beginner, then you can train 3x a week. However, do not train to failure. The reason being with you being new at this, you will compromise form to gert extra reps. Secondly, do not just do 1 balls out set. Once again, being a newbie you will not be good at picking an effective load to exercise with. Do a few sets, feel out the exercise and find your weight that way. Finally, do not look for quick results no lasting structure was built in a day. Listen to your body eat right, invest some time keep learning and you will be rewarded with advances in your body.
 
What do you think of the surge routine?
http://www.surviveall.net/ten_week_size_surge_booklet.htm
It's based on nautlius methods...

So, just do 3 x 8 instead of 1 x 12?

This is the diet i'm gonna use:

8:00 -- Milk, Oatmeal, 2 whole eggs, 4 Egg whites

10:00 -- Whey W/ Milk, Grape Juice, Sunflower seeds (Good fats, right?)

12:00 -- Chicken Breast, Rice, Brocolli, Milk, Banana

12:45 -- sunflower seeds

1:00 till 6:00 -- Work

6:30 -- Whey W/ grape juice
6:45 - WO
7:45 -- Whey w/ grape juice

8:45 - 2 chicken breasts, rice, brocolli, banana

11:00 -- SLEEP!

I'm 165/5'11"



Then, in 10 weeks.. Should I just do a normal 4 day split W/ the same diet?

My goal is a 6 pack within the next 3 months and add some muscle.. is that realistic?
 
ZZuluZ said:
You think training 3X a week fullbody is unproductive?

THEN EXPLAIN WHY.

Bfold, because you're a strongman competitor and have trained for 9 years, you expect people to blindly follow your advice?

You don't have to respect me....but you really should respect people with degrees in science and who take a scientifical approach to lifting.

The way you train is a spinoff of WestSide based on the conjugated method by Vladimir Zatziorski and his research. Of course, you think he's nothing but a pencil neck geek, but without him you wouldn't be as strong as you are today.

I can't believe I have to explain this in every fucking thread.

-Zulu

Don't get your underwear in a wad man...not at all.

I can't explain why things work...I just know that they do. I expect people to blindly follow my advice? Nope...not at all. I expect those with similar goals to pick and choose from what I post on here. Nothing works for everyone.

I do respect you, very much, and still give that invitation to call you and chat with you one on one...as a friend. Let me know.

I do not respect those who have a degree for their training knowledge. I respect them very much because they have accomplished something scholastically which I have yet to do, but not for their knowledge. I expect people to show me...not tell me about it.

I do train similar to the WSB method. I took the ideas which pertain to me and modified them via "b fold the truth" and made them work for me. If training your body 3x per week is gonna give you great gains...take the next 9 years and prove it to me...I have.

You do not have to respect me either, but I would appreciate your respect for the years that I have put into training and because I come to this board in search or greater knowledge. I do take your posts and thoughts into consideration, I just do not agree with a few of them.

You don't have to explain anything...just put your degree to work on yourself and you will find that not everything...if much...that you learned in school REALLY applies to real live strength training.

B True
 
"Don't get your underwear in a wad man...not at all. "

I just got compared to SSAlexS and you backed him up. I can't think of a worse possible insult....

" I can't explain why things work...I just know that they do. I expect people to blindly follow my advice? Nope...not at all. I expect those with similar goals to pick and choose from what I post on here. Nothing works for everyone."

And many people learn a lot from your posts. I have no problem with the advice you give. I have a problem with you thinking that because YOU have done it that it is a fact.

Ex:

'Working the entire body 3x per week????"

" I do respect you, very much, and still give that invitation to call you and chat with you one on one...as a friend. Let me know. "

Thanks a lot, I appreciate that.

" I do not respect those who have a degree for their training knowledge. I respect them very much because they have accomplished something scholastically which I have yet to do, but not for their knowledge. I expect people to show me...not tell me about it. "

This is my take.... experience goes hand in hand with knowledge. Without science it is a stab in the dark. Experience is not everything and neither is science, but together they're a great tandem. You modified your routine from WestSide.....but that routine comes from Vladimir Zatziorski. Has he shown you what he has done? How much he has deadlifted? No, but his advice is still very good.

' I do train similar to the WSB method. I took the ideas which pertain to me and modified them via "b fold the truth" and made them work for me. If training your body 3x per week is gonna give you great gains...take the next 9 years and prove it to me...I have. "

I am not an athlete, like you. I don't train for any particular objective. For me training and learning about it is a hobby I plan on enjoying my whole life. I will never plan to stick to certain routines for years at a time.

" You do not have to respect me either, but I would appreciate your respect for the years that I have put into training and because I come to this board in search or greater knowledge. I do take your posts and thoughts into consideration, I just do not agree with a few of them. "

I have respect for your accomplishments but moreso because you've made a concerted effort to help a lot of people [including me when I enquired about strongman training]. Maybe you could be a bit more openminded with new ideas like training the entire body 3X a week. It is a valid concept.

" You don't have to explain anything...just put your degree to work on yourself and you will find that not everything...if much...that you learned in school REALLY applies to real live strength training. "

I don't have a degree; I don't even have a backgroud in exercise physiology, biomechanics or anything else. I simply read a lot. I may never have a science related degree because I'm going into law.

But I agree; science is only good if it can be applied in real life.

I just don't think it should be so easily dismissed it.

Glad we've cleared this up,

Cheers,

-Zulu
 
Just to be a pain in the ass, I would like to point out that in his day, Zatziorski was one hell of a light weight Olympic lifter.
 
Needhelp said:
What do you think of the surge routine?
http://www.surviveall.net/ten_week_size_surge_booklet.htm
It's based on nautlius methods...

So, just do 3 x 8 instead of 1 x 12?

This is the diet i'm gonna use:

8:00 -- Milk, Oatmeal, 2 whole eggs, 4 Egg whites

10:00 -- Whey W/ Milk, Grape Juice, Sunflower seeds (Good fats, right?)

12:00 -- Chicken Breast, Rice, Brocolli, Milk, Banana

12:45 -- sunflower seeds

1:00 till 6:00 -- Work

6:30 -- Whey W/ grape juice
6:45 - WO
7:45 -- Whey w/ grape juice

8:45 - 2 chicken breasts, rice, brocolli, banana

11:00 -- SLEEP!

I'm 165/5'11"



Then, in 10 weeks.. Should I just do a normal 4 day split W/ the same diet?

My goal is a 6 pack within the next 3 months and add some muscle.. is that realistic?

Size surge is agood program for hypertrophy. If you keep your diet clean like you have mentioned, you may lose a few pounds of fat. Don't look for any miracles, as I said before, all good things take time.
 
"Just to be a pain in the ass, I would like to point out that in his day, Zatziorski was one hell of a light weight Olympic lifter.
"

Even more reason why his advice should be valid.

My apologies for insinuating that he hadn't trained. I didn't know if he had or not; it wasn't my point. Only that he was very knowledgeable.

-Zulu
 
BFold - I'll just add that your goals are different than many of the other people that post here. But speaking of strength, my strength gains have been much more impressive since swicth to a non-failure/increased training frequency approach. However, if I were to one day focus exclusively on strength (which I will do when my muscle mass limit is reached), I will pay close attention to the results you have had and the posts you have made, because obviously, your results have been quite impressive.
 
ZZuluZ: I did not compare you to SSalexSS at all. I don't expect people to look at my accomplishments and my training as a fact...I am actually not that strong. Bench 427, squat around 600 deadlift 629...not all that freakishly impressive for someone at 285 pounds. I am still working though...in the right direction.

Remember that I went from 152-305 naturally...I have tried lots of programs and pushed the envelope of my body as much as possible. I have only been interested in strength for the past year or so...before that I was a bodybuilder (so I thought...lol).

Zatziorski's principles have been changed a lot with the WSB program but Louie and his trainees understand that the principles which he put forth were about modification. WSB changes constantly. They look at what SHOULD work scientifically and try it...and they are constantly changing things from what SHOULD work to what DOES work.

I think that we are saying very similar things...just remember that I am not ticked off when I post...I am just stating my opinion. It just happens to be an opinion that has taken me 9 years of studying (school, journals, and experience) to find.

MarshallPenniford: Remember that I am not giving strongman advice on this board or this post. I am giving advice to those interested in bodybuilding and getting bigger/stronger.

B True
 
2 hockey players, while eating 200 extra grams of protein over their normal diet from Whey protein powder got these
gains without any extra fat... training 4 days week whole body for 8 weeks.
There are many ways to skin a cat. These are functional gains as well, bigger stronger, faster and more explosive.

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As an example, one of the players (Ben Carpentier, AHL club of the New Jersey Devils) started with the following lifts:

- Power snatch from the hang 50kg for 2 reps
- Incline press 165lbs for 6 reps
- Front squat 80kg for 6 reps
- Deadlift 140kg for 6 reps
- Power clean from the hang 70kg for 4 reps
- Push press 70kg for 4 reps

Last week he registered the following lifts:

- Power snatch from the hang 65kg for 4 reps
- Incline press 215lbs for 5 reps
- Front squat 110kg for 5 reps
- Deadlift 180kg for 5 reps
- Power clean from the hang 100kg for 4 reps
- Push press 100kg for 3 reps

This was accompagnied by a gain of 15lbs in bodyweight.

Jack Larivière (AHL club of the Montreal Canadiens) did the following lifts during his first training week:

- Power snatch from the hang 45kg for 3 reps
- Incline press 155lbs for 6 reps
- Back squat 120kg for 6 reps
- Deadlift 130kg for 6 reps
- Power clean from the hang 60kg for 4 reps
- Push press 60kg for 4 reps

Last week he recorded:

- Power snatch from the hang 55kg for 3 reps
- Incline press 215lbs for 5 reps
- Back squat 150kg for 5 reps
- Deadlift 180kg for 5 reps
- Power clean from the hang 80kg for 4 reps
- Push press 95kg for 2 reps

During that time he gained 17lbs of bodyweight

The gains of both players are all the most impressive because they do boxing training 4 times per week too (they are not exactly what one would call "skill players" ).


Here's what they did ... I wont post all the programs as it changes every week.

Monday:

1. General warm-up
a) stationary bike 10 minutes
b) Dynamic hip flexibility drills
c) Footing drills (high knees, butt kick, hurdle jumps)

2. Specific warm-up - Medicine ball throw and run (20lbs ball)
a) between the legs x 4
b) from chest x 4
c) Overhead x 4
d) Rotation x 2 each side

3. Strength training
a) Bench press max reps with a certain weight (135lbs for weeks 1-4, 175lbs for weeks 5-8, 200lbs for weeks 9-12), 3-5 sets

b) Moderate back squat 5 x 5

c) Hang snatch 3 x 4 , 3 x 2

d) Push press 3 x 4 , 3 x 2

4. Abdominal work


Tuesday

1. General warm-up
a) stationary bike 10 minutes
b) Dynamic hip flexibility drills
c) Footing drills (high knees, butt kick, hurdle jumps)

2. Specific warm-up - Dumbbell circuit (no rest between exercises)

a) 1 arm snatch right arm 5 reps
b) 1 arm snatch left arm 5 reps
c) 2 arms swing 20 reps
d) 1 arm swing right arm 5 reps
e) 1 arm swing left arm 5 reps

3. Strength training
a) Incline press 5 x 5

b) Deadlift 5 x 5

c) Hang clean 3 x 4 , 3 x 2

d) Jump squats 5 x 10

4. Conditioning - Weighted sled pulling
a) Sprint forward 50m with 100lbs
b) Sprint backward (sideways for goalies) 25m ith 100lbs

Wednesday OFF

Thursday


1. General warm-up
a) stationary bike 10 minutes
b) Dynamic hip flexibility drills
c) Footing drills (high knees, butt kick, hurdle jumps)

2. Specific warm-up - Medicine ball throw and run (20lbs ball)
a) between the legs x 4
b) from chest x 4
c) Overhead x 4
d) Rotation x 2 each side

3. Strength training
a) 2 boards press 5 x 5

b) Front squat 5 x 5

c) Push press 3 x 4 , 3 x 2

d) Dumbbell shoulder press 3 x 12

4. Abs work

Friday

1. General warm-up
a) stationary bike 10 minutes
b) Dynamic hip flexibility drills
c) Footing drills (high knees, butt kick, hurdle jumps)

2. Specific warm-up - Dumbbell circuit (no rest between exercises)

a) 1 arm snatch right arm 5 reps
b) 1 arm snatch left arm 5 reps
c) 2 arms swing 20 reps
d) 1 arm swing right arm 5 reps
e) 1 arm swing left arm 5 reps

3. Strength training
a) Incline press max reps (115lbs weeks 1-4, 135lbs weeks 5-8, 165lbs weeks 9-12)

b) Hang snatch 3 x 4, 3 x 2

c) Hang clean 3 x 4 , 3 x 2

d) Lunges 3 x 10-10

Saturday and Sunday off
 
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