Nautica - Question for NCAA drug testing

[MikeyG]

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[Stonewall5920]

fhg, i found out that i failed about two weeks ago and they said that i failed because of "testosterone" and it was a 15:1 ratio. So i am not sure if they tested and didnt find metabolites or what. I think if they found metabolites they wouldnt even think of giving me a chance to have the same levels, ya know. Thanks for any responses.
Does anyone know of any prohormones that the metabolites look like a natural testosterone molecule? 1-test or 4-ad maybe, and which do you think has the better ability to actually increase test:epi levels? I am in a hurry because i can be tested at any time! Thank you

 

[Syphonfilter]

fhg, i found out that i failed about two weeks ago and they said that i failed because of "testosterone" and it was a 15:1 ratio. So i am not sure if they tested and didnt find metabolites or what. I think if they found metabolites they wouldnt even think of giving me a chance to have the same levels, ya know. Thanks for any responses.
Does anyone know of any prohormones that the metabolites look like a natural testosterone molecule? 1-test or 4-ad maybe, and which do you think has the better ability to actually increase test:epi levels? I am in a hurry because i can be tested at any time! Thank you

Doesn't sound like they tested for metabolites as Tren is a derivative of nandrolone and you'd have tested positive for that. Sounds like all they did was test your test to epitest ratios and nothing further. Your test levels should drop significantly if you're not taking suspension anymore. If they do a test, outside testosterone cannot be distinguised from test that your body produces. . If they do test you for metabolites, you're basically fucked since the Anavar will most likely still have left some metabolites behind, but it's the Tren that's gonna fuck you.

You might want to try 50mg of Suspension EOD, or even 100mg, but I don't think there is a scientific way to figure out how you're gonna get that ratio other than to experiment on yourself and pay a lab for a test/epitest ratio so you can gauge where you fall in that area. Prohormones aren't gonna provide you with that high of a release and it won't sustain an elevated test level for that long either.

 

[nautica]

The only way you could possibly know how to get your levels to that is number 1 - keep taking the same amount you were taking or 2 have them tested and experiment with the suspension.

As far as them not catching the anavar - if it was from ip - it could have been fake.

As far as the tren - they could have tested for the top 10 and it would not be on the list.

And no it will not show up as deca. The reaction time of it may be similar to deca - but a computerized test will not pick it up unless it is deca - now if they were suspicous and personally looked at the test they could see where it reacted on the graph and an educated tester would know at that time to look up fina - and then you would be nailed. (that is if they kept the test - which they probably did since it came back positive.)

Your in a tight spot - I would say that your best bet would be to continue taking exactly the same amount of the same drugs - hope they just run a t/e ratio and hope it stays in the ball park.

Or like I said - you can experiment with the supsension - but everyone is different and it would take you several experiments to get it right.

Good luck
Nautica

 

[nautica]

The test which is used for the metabolites is a chromatography/mass spectrometry test basically what happens is that vaporized components of the sample move through a long tube over what is called a stationary phase. The components of the sample emerge seperately and reach a detector to create a chromatogram. Differnt chemicals will emerge at different times which each chemical having a specific time which it emerges - the higher it emerges the higher the concentration of that chemical. While norandro and nandrolone may and probably do have similar emergent times they will be different - so the computer will not detect a positive reading unless it is specifically set up to detect that substance.

What has happened in the past and why people say it shows up as deca is b/c the tester was suspicous and he viewed the test himself and noticed a spike in the vicinity of where deca should emerge - then through research or maybe even prior knowlege he can determine that the chemical was tren.

This is what worries me about you having to take another test - since you have already failed they will look at the test and will see the spike due to the tren.

You are in a catch 22 - you have to get your levels near the 15:1 or you are screwed for sure.

But if it is 15:1 then the tester is most likely going to determine the use of tren.

That is the reason that I believe you only choice is to continue the use of the drug and hope for the best.

But this is a tough call and I am sorry I can not be of any more help.

Maybe, if you have funds you should retain the services of nycdefender - and maybe he could argue that there were reasons you had the metabolites in your system.

Nautica

 

[Stonewall5920]

Nautica, the problem with me continuing to take fina suspension is that i wont find out that i am taking the test till 12 hours in advance and the test that i just took i found out a day earlier than i was supposed to. Also, i was taking 200mg of fina suspenstion/wk and 70 mg of anavar/day for three weeks prior to the test and stopped as soon as i found out about the test. Just before i found out about the test i unfortunatly took 100 mg of fina suspension and 70 mg of anavar. Knowing this i figured i was fucked so i was going to catherize myself but i found out that the girl that i was going to get it from couldnt find where it was. So, out of hope i just filled some specimin container that i had, with my friends piss (the night of the test, it was dark yellow). I heated the urine in the microwave for 15 seconds then went to the test. I hide it simply in my pocket of my pants. When i went to go take a piss they told me to drop my pants and turn around, after that i told the guy that i was uncomfortable with him watching me so i went in the stall (i couldnt believe he was letting me) I filled the cup up with my friends urine BUT i needed more (i am a fucking idiot, i figured that the urine that i had would be enough!) so it would reach the line, and i peed to fill it up because i figured that it was better than having the whole container as my piss. So as you can see i would have no idea of where to start off with a dose! What would you suggest?
Also, how bout the alcohol thing? Do you think it would work? I would also have to drink alcohol this test so i could use that excuse or maybe i dont cause then if i dont meet the ratios then i could say that i just didnt use alcohol this time.
Wouldnt you think that it would be better to reach the ratios using test suspension because it has no metabolites. This would then suggest that i do have this high of ratios without drugs, so then they would conclude that i didnt take these substances to have an unfair advantage.
Another thing is that if they do say they have found metabolites then i could bring up the fact that on the Drug testing procedures that they have on the NCAA website says that someone is considered positive of steroids if the ratio is above 6:1 (i read this when you brought it up). They didnt go on about the metabolites. If i took this to court, or during my appeal, i could say to the NCAA "what is the reason for setting the positive of a drug test at 6:1?" I would also say "isnt it to protect atheletes from testing positive due to contaminated supplements" They would say "Yes, or maybe" and then i would say "because i took alcohol my ratios went way above the normal level (according to many studies) and once i ingested alcohol my protection was gone, dont you think that you should warn people, not to consume alcohol, prior to the test?" How does this sound?
Sorry for the long write up but i am very worried about this. I cant believe i was so dumb thinking that i could get away with this. By the way there is alot alcohol in my urine and only 700ml of 5% alcohol is need to raise levels 350%. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MORE ANSWERS.

 

[nautica]

Man, I really do not know what to tell you - yes it would be best to switch to suspension - but you will have to figure out how much you need.

Also, if they are coming withing the next couple of weeks you will still have the metabolites in your system.

I would say just start shooting suspension everyday and hope that your ratios come in close to the 15:1 - but still 15:1 is extremely extremely high - as a matter of fact the 6:1 is extremely high - this is set so high in order to protect the athlete.

Even if you are at the same t/e levels you will have to explain yourself - and if they did do a gas chromagraphy test then all they will have to do is look at the results to determine that not only is your t/e ratios high but you also have an extremely high level of tren in your system.

Nautica

 

[Stonewall5920]

If want to raise my test:epi ratio at least a little above normal. I would say anything above 5:1 and no higher than 17:1. So, out of your opinion and educated guess, how much test suspension should i take if i at least want to raise it a little. It would not have to be 15:1 but just higher than a normal person. Do you think 5 mg will do 2 hours prior to the test to raise it at least a little?

 

[Stonewall5920]

I know that you are not sure but your guess is a hell of a lot better than mine!

 

[nautica]

Well the problem is that it will have to be very close to 15:1 any variation from that will result in a positive test.

I am really not sure but I am sure it would not be that difficult to figure out.

First you would need to see how many mg's of epitest a normal male has floating in your blood stream. The NCAA has a website which gives a maximum so maybe you could start with that.

Then you would need to use the half-life of suspension and calculate it out.

If I have some time tommorrow I will try to research it a little.

Nautica