Natural Testosterone:

[JKurz1]

Let's say someone who trains hard, eats an abundance of clean cals, and gets adequate sleep, etc. has a test level below the average males. Or even extremely low. Would this prevent him/her from gaining weight, strength, etc. no matter how many cals they consumed or how hard they trained?

Guess the ? is, can one add mass with a naturally low test level? Would supplementmenting test at a mild HRT dose (200mg / wk) increase mass/strength?

 

[chefbone]

You would put on weight. It would take more time to put on muscle and less time to put on fat. The testosterone is greatly responsible for manufacturing desire for us males..i.e. intensity, ambition, motivation..etc. So the lack of these emotions in our work-out, combined with a ton of calories, would most likely increase fat gain.

And of course supplementing test. is a positive for low test levels, especially if you are trying to gain a decent physique.

I hope this helps a fellow Buckeye!!

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks bro...karma

So what would you tell a 26 year old, who you can tell eats strict, trains balls out for the past 5 years and is about 6'2, 170 with 7%bf because of naturally sub par test levels who wants to get on test? 200mg of cyp? Or would you have him run a full cycle of maybe test and eq or dbol to start and then do a solid pct?

 

[chefbone]

Test and EQ is my favorite combination. I was going to run that this summer but I'm going into the Army for Special Forces or Ranger school and I don't want to fail a piss and/or blood test. I didn't like d-bol but it could be added at the beggining to get things rolling.

Any ?????'s about diet and nutrition let me know.

 

[Mr. Black]

Thanks bro...karma

So what would you tell a 26 year old, who you can tell eats strict, trains balls out for the past 5 years and is about 6'2, 170 with 7%bf because of naturally sub par test levels who wants to get on test? 200mg of cyp? Or would you have him run a full cycle of maybe test and eq or dbol to start and then do a solid pct?

Just how low are your levels?

 

[JKurz1]

My level were once pretty low. I got tested, went on the patch, and am now just about even with the national avg. I never took aas though.

He didnt tell me his levels, but I'm assuming the are pretty low, below 200?

 

[Mr. Black]

My level were once pretty low. I got tested, went on the patch, and am now just about even with the national avg. I never took aas though.

He didnt tell me his levels, but I'm assuming the are pretty low, below 200?

Next time you go to the dr's office ask for a copy of your blood tests, they are technically yours. Did they test for Bio-Available and/or Free Testosterone as well (those are the most accurate reflection of your body's testosterone)?

 

[JKurz1]

Next time you go to the dr's office ask for a copy of your blood tests, they are technically yours. Did they test for Bio-Available and/or Free Testosterone as well (those are the most accurate reflection of your body's testosterone)?

Mine??? They were 201 on a scale of 241-850. My red and white blood counts are low now, no one is sure why.

 

[Mr. Black]

Mine??? They were 201 on a scale of 241-850. My red and white blood counts are low now, no one is sure why.

201 is a measurement of total test (which is not always a good representation of how much test can be actually used by your body). Bio-Available Test is the most accurate as it measures how much test is left over after SHBG sucks most of it up.

 

[JKurz1]

Getting off topic, as I was cleared in January and told I am back to normal. I would really like to know what one would suggest for the young'n I'm referring to.

 

[Mr. Black]

Getting off topic, as I was cleared in January and told I am back to normal. I would really like to know what one would suggest for the young'n I'm referring to.

oops my bad, I thought the youngn you were referering to was you lol...I'm sure a cycle would help greatly in achieving his goals, however even after a solid PCT he would most likely have problems holding on to his gains with his natural low testosterone, thus this is where he would benefit from adding a HRT dose.

 

[Outtlaw]

Im not 100% sure on this, but if I remember correctly the amount of muscle you can build/carry is directly related to how much testosterone you have. So someone with low levels of test wont be able to build muscle like someone with high levels.

 

[monster2929]

ur definately not gonna gain well without sufficient muscle building hormone levels and if u eat like ur tryun to get big u will hold more fat esp around the mid section and prolly in the ass like the women do

 

[sprinter86]

If you want safety, go with Nandrolone Decanoate (even a doc will tell you this)
If you need to pass testing, go with Nandrolone Phenylprop
If you want bigger gains, add some test to either of the above

 

[JKurz1]

what if he did a mild 250mg/test per week with 400mg of eq? Should/Would he benefit by upping to a full blown 500mg?

 

[chefbone]

what if he did a mild 250mg/test per week with 400mg of eq? Should/Would he benefit by upping to a full blown 500mg?

That's a decent first cycle IMO. You could gain an easy 20-25lbs and probably keep at least 15lbs. It's def. a good bulker and if you time your work outs,diet, vitamins correctly and do mild cardio you could stay pretty lean too. A-dex would help alot.

 

[JKurz1]

I think he wants to do 500mg of test and 400mg of eq.................hopefully it put him over

 

[chefbone]

I think he wants to do 500mg of test and 400mg of eq.................hopefully it put him over

That's close to what I was going to do this summer. 2 shot of test 250mg per week, plus 2 shots of EQ 300 twice per week. Awesome cycle. I'm pissed off because I can't do it now.

 

[LVTitan]

my white blood cell count was low after my last cycle too, but it is back in the normal range now.
they dont test for steroids in the military, however if they were to test for gear, nandrolone would be a no-no for sure.
so far i'm not too impressed with eq. a good first cycle would be a simple test cycle, put him on 250mg week of test cyp/enth or maybe even 250 e5days

 

[Tweakle]

I would tell him to make his mind up and either run a real cycle or stay natural

 

[Mr. Black]

If you want safety, go with Nandrolone Decanoate (even a doc will tell you this)

Doctors don't know shit when it comes to AAS. Deca is the only compound I've used that royaly fucked my HTPA up for a long, long time...

 

[bigdho]

I would tell him to make his mind up and either run a real cycle or stay natural

THATS A BIG 10-4!!

 

[JKurz1]

DOne....just saw him at the gym and I feel even worse. He's so damn skinny (and yes, that's coming from me) but at about 6'2 and 170, his veins are mad! Ripped up and trains balls out, seriously, so dedication is not a problem. I really think its his test. I told him to start at 500mg of test and 400mg of eq for 12 weeks. He asked if he should use dbol from first 4 weeks, I said I would ask you guys

Anyone ever done a cycle at such a low body weight? I'm just afraid he cant gain naturally. Esp. since he eats like a horse. K to all.

 

[JKurz1]

F-it.......I'm starting with him.......I'm just a tad heavier, but 3 years is enough layoff. Please GOD, let me EAT

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

DOne....just saw him at the gym and I feel even worse. He's so damn skinny (and yes, that's coming from me) but at about 6'2 and 170, his veins are mad! Ripped up and trains balls out, seriously, so dedication is not a problem. I really think its his test. I told him to start at 500mg of test and 400mg of eq for 12 weeks. He asked if he should use dbol from first 4 weeks, I said I would ask you guys

Anyone ever done a cycle at such a low body weight? I'm just afraid he cant gain naturally. Esp. since he eats like a horse. K to all.

Your friend can put on SOOO much weight if he is 6-2 170 seriously...I've been skinnier AND taller and got up to a deuce and a half natty

 

[JKurz1]

understand Detroit bro - but the kid eats his ass off, never cheats, doesnt drink or party and is unable to put on the weight. Normally, I would say try and train for awhile without aas, but after 5-6 years and at roughly 25 years old, I think he's ready.....would you agree with 250mg/week and some eq or dbol? Suggestions?

 

[bigdho]

500mg test ew 25-35mg ed dbol is a good beginer cycle

 

[JKurz1]

Too much bloat? He's a little weary about the harsher drugs, ie. Armidex, insulin, etc...

 

[Mr. Black]

Your friend can put on SOOO much weight if he is 6-2 170 seriously...

not if his natural testosterone is shit...

 

[Throw2Far]

what if he did a mild 250mg/test per week with 400mg of eq? Should/Would he benefit by upping to a full blown 500mg?

I would do Test only 500mg per week... Save the rest for your next cycles... and yes no matter how many times you say you wont, you will cycle again...