n00b need direction...lol

[exidous]

Hey there people. kinda new to the forum and would like to share my cycle info and get some feedback. let me start by saying that im 29 years old, 5'11", 155lbs, 10% bodyfat (bod pod). I have been bodybuilding very, seriously for 2 years dedicated. I have always known about AAS but never had the urge to indulge. I have came to the conclusion after diet changes, and regeim changes that i have hit a plataue. My body loves being at this size and reminds me all the time how happy it is (really i feel like a million dollars most of the time) but physiologically i am not happy at this weight. I have always wanted to put on some mass and get a little more size. so i decided AAS was my option i was ready for. Now im not planning on running this cycle for a long time, maybe in january so i can hide the initial weight gains and not be so noticable. I wanted to read as much as i could, retain as much information on everything before i began (like how to detect fake AAS, to PCT and the importance of it). Trust me i have some common sense not to just buy a couple of bottles and start jabbing myself. I recently ordered 2 bottles of QV deca 300, and the necessary equipment from www.getpinz.com (is this place clean? good stuff?). I have also ordered some of QV d-bol (10mg methandienone 100 tabs). both legit. just need some advice on PCT meds, the amount of deca to run per week and the dosages for d-bol. and also should i get some HCG, nolvadex, clomid? just to see what ones will work? i have read so many posts, people saying that one works for them, the other doenst and so on. should i run the nolvadex the entire time through the cycle and PCT? maybe hit HCG during the middle of my cycle to keep the boys hanging? maybe im just looking for someone to put a cycle together with what im buying that would work with my weight, and also some general advice. i have debated using AAS for quite some time and now just got the balls to give it a whirl.... Thanks in advance.

 

[criffer]

Try test only 500mg/week for 10 weeks with nolva at the end for PCT, the sides with deca and dbo, can be pretty intense and test is a proven mass drug

 

[marshallmadman]

I would hang on to the Deca. Do what Criffer says, and just go with some test for a first cycle. You can use your dbol at 3 tabs daily, spaced out one every 4-5 hours, for the first four weeks. I can highly recommend QV Teston 200. Two and a half cc's per week for 10 weeks means that you need 3 bottles, and you'll have half of one left for your next cycle. I'm giving you karma for doing your homework. Getpinz is an excellent place to get your stuff, b.t.w.

 

[axe3]

I agree with criffer I'd prolly stick to a simple test cycle to start.

5"11" 155# @10% bf is pretty slim. I really think you need to figger out yer diet and get your training in order before you hit the gas though.

I would write down every thing that goes in your body for a week. I think you will be surprised at how little you are actually eating. What does your training program look like?

 

[bigtravis]

i too would suggest a test only but your probably set on doing the deca and bol so i'd say try 300/wk of deca and 30/day of d-bol and get some nolva to keep incase you're gyno prone. pct, do hcg at 2500 every 5 days x2, then 1500 evey 5 days x3. with clomid at 100ed for 2 weeks then 50ed for 3 weeks. could run nolva in there to. see what you can gain from that then afterwards you'll know what you can do on your next run.

 

[bnutty187]

I personally would reccomend you try test-e @ 500/wk also for your first cycle but for at least 12 weeks.

If you already have all the stuff and you're like me and sometimes throw a little caution into the wind, I'll show you how but just be ready that it's a heavy cycle for your first time and you better be ready for it!! If I were to do everything because of the fact that I have it already with the stuff that you have already, not saying you should but if you're the type that won't be able to set aside the stuff you have already I'd go only 10 weeks(unless you're willing to get another bottle of deca) so you can do at least 12 weeks.

wks 1-5 30mg dbol (you're going to have 28 days total, you'll have a little left over)
wks 1-10 test-e 500/mg week Monday/Thursday 250mg(usually 1cc) <-----Must get, it should be the base for pretty much every cycle.
wks 1-10 deca 600/mg week Monday/Thursday 300mg(usually 1cc)
Keep nolva on hand incase of gyno.
Also get some liver supps, you can easily find reccomendations on which ones by a search, just make sure you take something.

Pct. Personally I would say that no matter which route you took for PCT, just make sure you're using a tried and true PCT that many can vouch for and you should be fine. Go check out the PCT forum and make sure you check out Jenetic's posts; he's our PCT guru here.

Best of luck to ya bro.

 

[exidous]

I agree with criffer I'd prolly stick to a simple test cycle to start.

5"11" 155# @10% bf is pretty slim. I really think you need to figger out yer diet and get your training in order before you hit the gas though.

I would write down every thing that goes in your body for a week. I think you will be surprised at how little you are actually eating. What does your training program look like?

well i usually do the 3/2 split

monday - chest and upperback
tuesday - all arms
wednesday - all legs lowerback
thursayd - same as monday
friday - same as tuesday
saturday - same as wednesday
sunday off

abs everyday, cardio every other sunday when i feel like it. power exercises every day as well. deadlifts on monday. tuesday do barbell clean and press and push presses. wednesday is mostly legs and legs can drain you. routine repeats. now look at this schedule with a grain of salt, i add all kinds of differnet exercises in there...lol

workout every morning for 1 1/2 hours as natural testosterone levels peak at 45 minutes. I have a manual labor job so calorie intake is crucial. calorie intake is usually around 3,000 give or take a few. All wholesome foods like boneless, skinless chicken breast 3 eggs and toast for lunch... gotta love my wife for the awsome support over the past couple of years. i have documented my exercises and diet for one solid year online at my website. (good thing it motivates my family and wife to workout). i think i took 4 weeks off this summer for vacation, (just did maintenace 2 times a week). Hate doing that as it feels like im starting all over again. Trust me i have done a complete body compisition change over the course of my training. i have taken pictures, measurments and the change is drastic! i went from 130 pounds at 28% bodyfat to 160 pounds and 11% bodyfat in just the first 6 months i starting lifting. i used to be the traditional "hardgainer" for years and always thought that working out was a waste of time until my buddie in the military taught me the light, then i knew it was an excuse. I do have a high metabolism and seems like the bodyfat is no problem for me, and because of that its hard to grow, takes me 3 times more intensity in the gym as most guys just to grow an inch when they grow yards in less time. i just looked at AAS as a "boost". metaphorically speaking. dont you think that is the best approach or am i going at this wrong? trust me i have looked at what i ate on an hourly basis and ill tell you that its not the diet, its the genes.

 

[stuck]

Good advice above, but 5'11" 155 lbs and you think you've hit your plateau? That doesn't sound right to me. You're most likely not eating enough.

 

[exidous]

Good advice above, but 5'11" 155 lbs and you think you've hit your plateau? That doesn't sound right to me. You're most likely not eating enough.

a plateau for me is definatly a different plateau for you my friend. I can bench 225 8 times and my brother in law cant even do it twice and he is 230lbs. i am strong just want to grow.

 

[bigtravis]

a plateau for me is definatly a different plateau for you my friend. I can bench 225 8 times and my brother in law cant even do it twice and he is 230lbs. i am strong just want to grow.

yeah! lol

 

[Outtlaw]

Go with the cycle advice that was given above. Let me just say that at 155lbs, regardless of what you might think, you probably dont have everything lined up like you think you do. Cause at that weight there is still a lot of room for natural growth. My suggestion to you is to find whatever it is that may be off and get it fixed before you hit the juice. Otherwise you wont get the results you should from your cycle.

 

[zach01]

Would 500mg be a little high for someone who's 155 pounds for the first time ? I think I was 165 when I did my first 15 years ago and 250 a week worked great with no sides. QUOTE=criffer]Try test only 500mg/week for 10 weeks with nolva at the end for PCT, the sides with deca and dbo, can be pretty intense and test is a proven mass drug[/QUOTE]

 

[RADAR]

500mgs a week is just fine.

RADAR

 

[sweed]

500mgs a week is just fine.

RADAR

and add in those dbols at 30 mgs for weeks 1-4 ( up to week 6 if u like)
save deca for next cycle.... that was my first cycle and i loved it./.. i just added deca for my 2nd... good luck

 

[exidous]

Go with the cycle advice that was given above. Let me just say that at 155lbs, regardless of what you might think, you probably dont have everything lined up like you think you do. Cause at that weight there is still a lot of room for natural growth. My suggestion to you is to find whatever it is that may be off and get it fixed before you hit the juice. Otherwise you wont get the results you should from your cycle.

i respect your comment and would like to reasonbly argue your point. I am 29 years old. with my dwindeling testosterone levels do you honostly believe that i can gain a lot of natural size before i get too old? trust me i have not wanted to take AAS until the last resort and i have had all my ducks in a row for quite some time. I just believe i was genetically predisposed NOT to be big. no matter what i do i just cant grow. cant AAS help in a situation like that? You can say that is something wrong but im telling you i think its the genes that i have that prevent me from growing and not necessarily the diet, sleep, whatever. I think i was just born to be a runner or something...LOL

 

[wayneboard1]

i respect your comment and would like to reasonbly argue your point. I am 29 years old. with my dwindeling testosterone levels do you honostly believe that i can gain a lot of natural size before i get too old? trust me i have not wanted to take AAS until the last resort and i have had all my ducks in a row for quite some time. I just believe i was genetically predisposed NOT to be big. no matter what i do i just cant grow. cant AAS help in a situation like that? You can say that is something wrong but im telling you i think its the genes that i have that prevent me from growing and not necessarily the diet, sleep, whatever. I think i was just born to be a runner or something...LOL

hhhmmm...well you are getting some good advice with the test only for your first cycle. However, you are acting as though at age 30 you turn old and your natural testosterone is gone. WRONG. There are guys on here 20 years your senior that still grow, some on gear others not. You can still gain for years to come and while you may have a natural leaning towards thin, there is still a ton of room for natural growth; it's just HARD. I am 32 and am still growing and just finished my first cycle. Before my cycle I got up to 216 naturally and I am 5'9". The hard part is getting over that hurdle without gear, and that is the problem you have as I see it. If you want to do gear you have some good advice above. However you referred to it as a last resort but if you are going to do it before really reaching your full potential, is it really a last resort? The answer to that is no.

 

[stuck]

a plateau for me is definatly a different plateau for you my friend. I can bench 225 8 times and my brother in law cant even do it twice and he is 230lbs. i am strong just want to grow.

I'm older than you, been lifting 16 years, and I'm STILL finding ways to alter my body even without the use of AAS. Sounds to me like you just want to take the high road, hopefully you can figure out a way to keep those gains.

 

[exidous]

I'm older than you, been lifting 16 years, and I'm STILL finding ways to alter my body even without the use of AAS. Sounds to me like you just want to take the high road, hopefully you can figure out a way to keep those gains.

sounds like you are pretty much telling me its going to be worthless for me. well what is AAS for anyways then? maybe i just have not been properly educated.

 

[exidous]

hhhmmm...well you are getting some good advice with the test only for your first cycle. However, you are acting as though at age 30 you turn old and your natural testosterone is gone. WRONG. There are guys on here 20 years your senior that still grow, some on gear others not. You can still gain for years to come and while you may have a natural leaning towards thin, there is still a ton of room for natural growth; it's just HARD. I am 32 and am still growing and just finished my first cycle. Before my cycle I got up to 216 naturally and I am 5'9". The hard part is getting over that hurdle without gear, and that is the problem you have as I see it. If you want to do gear you have some good advice above. However you referred to it as a last resort but if you are going to do it before really reaching your full potential, is it really a last resort? The answer to that is no.

how do you know i havent reached my full potential? im not trying to be a smart ass and i appologize if i am. but what is the prerequisite for testosterone theropy? what weight were you at when you started your cycle? what led you to believe that you were at your full potential? your weight? i could be 200 pounds and 25 percent body fat right now if i quit working out, would that be a prerequisite for staroid use? im at 155 +/- 5 pounds and at a very low bodyfat percentage. mass and strength were not the only reasons for AAS usage either. I am also very prone to tendinitus, actually i am typeing with a swollen joint in my thumb in terrible pain. last month it was my wrist. all from working out. i was hoping the deca would help me with the joint problems while working out. once again thanks for the feedback as im just trying to figure out why you guys are saying that at my weight its not a very good move to make with AAS usage.

 

[wayneboard1]

how do you know i havent reached my full potential? im not trying to be a smart ass and i appologize if i am. but what is the prerequisite for testosterone theropy? what weight were you at when you started your cycle? what led you to believe that you were at your full potential? your weight? i could be 200 pounds and 25 percent body fat right now if i quit working out, would that be a prerequisite for staroid use? im at 155 +/- 5 pounds and at a very low bodyfat percentage. mass and strength were not the only reasons for AAS usage either. I am also very prone to tendinitus, actually i am typeing with a swollen joint in my thumb in terrible pain. last month it was my wrist. all from working out. i was hoping the deca would help me with the joint problems while working out. once again thanks for the feedback as im just trying to figure out why you guys are saying that at my weight its not a very good move to make with AAS usage.

Man, you asked for feedback and you got it. Don't get mad because you don't like it. Your question about "how do you know if I am at my max potential" cannot be answered by anyone but you. However, life in general has taught me that 9 out out of 10 times when someone (myself included) says they are at their potential, or they did their best, they aren't and they didn't. I don't think you are at your full potential because I constantly read about how guys (myself included) get "stuck" somewhere and tweak their diet or change their routine and wham, they are not stuck anymore. My view on gear is that it's viewed much like advil. At the slighest feeling of pain, pop 4 of them and all is well. Instead of drinking more water sicne 8 out of 10 headaches are caused by dehydration, instead of not drinking 6 cups of coffee before 10AM, or eating something besides sugar, etc, a pill is poped. It's the easy way out and human nature. I got to 216 natural. I got stuck so many times along the way it sickens me to think about it. Gear is awesome and it makes it easier. Too many people jump on it when they THINK they are stuck when in fact they don't want to bust their hump for 10 extra lbs on the bench press when they can get 25 in half the time with gear. You say you have tendonitis and while gear may bandaid that, if you are that prone or in "terrible pain" you need to get healthy LONG before you run any cycles. My concern is not so much with your weight as it is with your mindset and from what I am reading I would bet you are not at your full potential, not even close. You can take my advice or leave it and if you mind is already made up then just make sure you know what you are doing before you hurt yourself. Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[Outtlaw]

i respect your comment and would like to reasonbly argue your point. I am 29 years old. with my dwindeling testosterone levels do you honostly believe that i can gain a lot of natural size before i get too old? trust me i have not wanted to take AAS until the last resort and i have had all my ducks in a row for quite some time. I just believe i was genetically predisposed NOT to be big. no matter what i do i just cant grow. cant AAS help in a situation like that? You can say that is something wrong but im telling you i think its the genes that i have that prevent me from growing and not necessarily the diet, sleep, whatever. I think i was just born to be a runner or something...LOL

Yes, roids can help. But at 155lbs you CAN gain more naturally. Like I said, something is off even if you dont see it. Im not saying you shouldnt use gear. All Im saying is that you need to fix whatever is wrong in your regimine or you're eventually gonna run into the same problem while on gear. The gear will get you over that little platue at 1st, but eventually you wont be able to gain another ounce because you still havent fixed the reason why you were'nt growing before in the 1st place. Then you'll probably take more gear to compensate, and still not be able to grow. And you may not even be able to hold onto your gains because of that loophole in your regimine. So you get to 170, and within a few months you're right back to were you started.

So if I were you, I'd fix whatever the problem is fast. If you need somebody here to look at your diet and training to see if anything needs to be tweeked, then post that stuff up before you go and dive head first into this cycle.

 

[Outtlaw]

Man, you asked for feedback and you got it. Don't get mad because you don't like it. Your question about "how do you know if I am at my max potential" cannot be answered by anyone but you.

No. I can answer. At 5'11'' 155lbs, you are NOT at your potential. You can at the very least get to 180lbs.

 

[exidous]

if you are that prone or in "terrible pain" you need to get healthy LONG before you run any cycles..

haha... that is funny.

the pain is caused from working out and having a labor intensive job, im healthy as i have ever been in my life, your saying that like i have A.I.D.S.. oh wait even people with aids roid up....LMAO!!!

 

[exidous]

No. I can answer. At 5'11'' 155lbs, you are NOT at your potential. You can at the very least get to 180lbs.

outlaw maybe your right, i will give my diet a rehaul and my training some go through and try it out for another year or so, my stuff dont expire till 07 so im assuming it will stay good? any opinions on were to keep it so it stays good for longer?

 

[RADAR]

I doubt i was at my potential limits when i first started in my thirties ,However i was sick of busting my ass in the gym and still looking like crap!
Best decision i ever made!

RADAR

 

[wayneboard1]

No. I can answer. At 5'11'' 155lbs, you are NOT at your potential. You can at the very least get to 180lbs.

I stand corrected.

 

[wayneboard1]

haha... that is funny.

the pain is caused from working out and having a labor intensive job, im healthy as i have ever been in my life, your saying that like i have A.I.D.S.. oh wait even people with aids roid up....LMAO!!!

amazing...thats all you took out of that post.

He's all yours outlaw.

 

[exidous]

amazing...thats all you took out of that post.

He's all yours outlaw.

thats not all i got out of your post, that is all i had to comment on as the rest was pretty much useless.

 

[wayneboard1]

thats not all i got out of your post, that is all i had to comment on as the rest was pretty much useless.

OK, ....one more thing.........boom. If you can't take a straight answer, don't ask any questions little boy.

 

[exidous]

OK, ....one more thing.........boom. If you can't take a straight answer, don't ask any questions little boy.

what the hell is boom? is that your way of saying your cool? i can take a straight answer, i cant stand being lectured by someone who thinks they are talking to a kid which was EVERY one of your posts....boom.

 

[Indy]

what the hell is boom? is that your way of saying your cool? i can take a straight answer, i cant stand being lectured by someone who thinks they are talking to a kid which was EVERY one of your posts....boom.

Now you are way OUT OF LINE, you are getting some of the best advice, from the best and trusted guys out there. Every response since the first apology for being an ass, you have acted like an ass. I will be the one to say it, and the second one to say BOOM ! You'll soon learn what that means, get 2 more and you are banned from this site, you dont like the answers, dont ask the questions. Doing gear at 155 is just plain ignorant, everyone is telling you that, but in a nice way, now I'm stopping it !

 

[Indy]

hhhmmm...well you are getting some good advice with the test only for your first cycle. However, you are acting as though at age 30 you turn old and your natural testosterone is gone. WRONG. There are guys on here 20 years your senior that still grow, some on gear others not. You can still gain for years to come and while you may have a natural leaning towards thin, there is still a ton of room for natural growth; it's just HARD. I am 32 and am still growing and just finished my first cycle. Before my cycle I got up to 216 naturally and I am 5'9". The hard part is getting over that hurdle without gear, and that is the problem you have as I see it. If you want to do gear you have some good advice above. However you referred to it as a last resort but if you are going to do it before really reaching your full potential, is it really a last resort? The answer to that is no.

Very well said, he now has 2 strikes against him.....

 

[exidous]

Now you are way OUT OF LINE, you are getting some of the best advice, from the best and trusted guys out there. Every response since the first apology for being an ass, you have acted like an ass. I will be the one to say it, and the second one to say BOOM ! You'll soon learn what that means, get 2 more and you are banned from this site, you dont like the answers, dont ask the questions. Doing gear at 155 is just plain ignorant, everyone is telling you that, but in a nice way, now I'm stopping it !

Ok lets change the subject since I'm not getting anywhere now, what weight were you when you first tryed gear?

 

[Outtlaw]

Ok lets change the subject since I'm not getting anywhere now, what weight were you when you first tryed gear?

Oh boy I think you're still missing the point people are trying to get across to you here.

 

[clublavela]

Man your worthless. Don't get on here talking shit when you don't even know anything. Research for about a few years and then try to talk shit to these guys on here.

Oh yea by the way BOOM!!

 

[marshallmadman]

I was 215 pounds natural before I started using gear. Two words for ya kid...HARD WORK. Gaining muscle isn't easy. If you aren't willing to bust your ass, it ain't gonna happen for ya. I gained over 30 pounds my first year of consistent weight training. It can be done.

 

[exidous]

well obviously you are not ectomorphic if you can gain that much weight. i bet you were endomorphic and already had the body type to gain weight. i love it when people preach to me about hard work. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. if you did you wouldnt just come out and say stuff like that, do research yourself and then come to me with your preachings. GOD.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

well obviously you are not ectomorphic if you can gain that much weight. i bet you were endomorphic and already had the body type to gain weight. i love it when people preach to me about hard work. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. if you did you wouldnt just come out and say stuff like that, do research yourself and then come to me with your preachings. GOD.

I read through this whole mess and I think I have it figured out. He wants someone to tell him that the deca and Dbol will put 30 lbs of muscle on him, and at 5-11, 155, he is the perfect candidate for using gear.

Try and listen:

You don't eat enough food. Go to www.fitday.com and see what you are actually putting in each day. You need to ramp up to 3500-4000 clean calories per day.

Put at least 10lbs on before you think about using the gear. Go to the wieght traning and nutrition boards and learn.

You will waste what you have, put your body in harm's way, and not gain shit if you continue to go into it half-assed.


Bluesman

 

[exidous]

I read through this whole mess and I think I have it figured out. He wants someone to tell him that the deca and Dbol will put 30 lbs of muscle on him, and at 5-11, 155, he is the perfect candidate for using gear.

Try and listen:

You don't eat enough food. Go to www.fitday.com and see what you are actually putting in each day. You need to ramp up to 3500-4000 clean calories per day.

Put at least 10lbs on before you think about using the gear. Go to the wieght traning and nutrition boards and learn.

You will waste what you have, put your body in harm's way, and not gain shit if you continue to go into it half-assed.


Bluesman

finially someone has something worth reading...Thanks for the advice. instead of calling me a kid (which at 29 married and 4 kids highly makes me childish) you read what i was saying and offered good advice, why cant eveyone do that?