I think the main thing here is that huge doses of test aren't needed... i feel its the base of most cycles but its just abused... when your running things like primo and tren, let them shine! there's no need for a gram of test or 750 mg a week when your running things like that... let them shine... test provides the base and the support needed and is absolutely a wonderful thing but it's often ran way too high and its not necessary.... it has its place, a very important one but not to the extent a lot of people have the impression it needs... now, if your running a test only cycle, then yes, hit it at 500 mg week... if your looking for big size, amp it up, but there are other ways to go about things that are extremely effective as well... pro hormones have there place... just like everything else does... there's effective ways to do things and then there's OPTIMAL ways to do things...