My quick update - PCT SUX!

[JKurz1]

Well, I know I'll get slammed for this, but for my bros who are intestered please read and respond....the rest of ya, sorry for wasting your time.

Started PCT Friday (making today day 5)
1,000hcg on day 1
500 hcg everyday since and will go for another week to be safe.

20mg clomid each of 5 days and .25-.5 of armidex everyday too. Along with a spray of AIMF.

IGF-L at 50mcg for 5 days thus far rotating inj. spots.

I have cut cardio down to 20 minutes THREE tmes a week which is huge for me, but my appetite is suffering.

I ate a lot this weekend, mostly proein though, but a good xmas dinner last night with all the fixings......

I am so friggn tired I don't know what to do. I am training today, tomorrow of thursday, friday and saturday, but yesterdays chest sesssion was hell, lethargic and weak. I did cardio today but didnt at all the last three days so I knew I had to be heavier. I was friggn down 5lbs to a mere 153 at 6'2.....abs are visible, but who cares. I feel pretty shitty. COnstipated and really damn weak.

Diet wise I bet I had 300g of carbs friday
200g sat and sunday
and maybe 250 yesterday

proein has been in the 300 range. I cut back on my overall meal sizes but still feel like I am eating the same, just more spaced out. For example, instead of 1 cup of oats at 7am I have 1/2cup at 7 and 9, etc.....I also have taken out the apple preworkout and added 1/4 cup oats with a blend. Severe stomach cramping and just an overall state of blahh....any thoughts? What effect is the IGF havin on me if any? Is it keeping me lean? Making me lose weight? Keeping me hard? Wuick look at my diet, is it the food consumption thats making me tired? I know I can't overtrain on pct and I wont, so I guess I should go high rep for this month? Correct? Use it as a deload? Wont that jsut burn MORE cals? Thanks for the help!


7am PRO CARB FAT
1/2 cup oats 6.6 30 3 155
4 oz turkey 25 0 1.5 175
6 egg whites 21.6 1.4 0.3 110
53.2 31.4 4.8 440

9am
6OZ FLANK COOKED 42.1 0 10 261
1/2 cup brown rice 1 25 2 120
1/2 cup back beans 8 25 0.8 150
51.1 50 12.8 531

11am
6 oz tuna 52 0 6 275
1/2 cup oats 6.6 30 3 155
0 0 0 0 0
58.6 30 9 430

1pm
6 OZ CHICKEN 52 0 6 275
1 TBSP OLIVE OIL 0 0 13.5 119
52 0 0 19.5 0 394

315
2 scoop blend 50 6 6 250
1/4 cup oats 6.6 20 0.4 75
56.6 26 6.4 325
TRAIN (445-615)


630
SHAKE
virtago or dextrose 0 50 1 225
1 scoop whey 30 4 4 125
POST SUPPS 0 0 0 0
30 0 54 0 5 0 350


800
4 oz all white meat turkey 16.68 - 1.00 116.73
spinach 0.8 10 0.2 60
17.475 10 1.2005 176.725

900
shake 50 5 10 300
or
1/2 cup dry curd 20 1 2 100
1tb pb 7 6 17 110
1/2 scoop blend 10 3 2 60
1/2 cup egg whites 16 1 0.5 80
53 11 21.5 350

368.98 206.40 - 68.70 - 2,946.73

 

[Vascular Freak]

The diet looks good bro, but I would add in some natural supps like BCAA's, glut, CEE, Tyrosine (for thyroid stimulation/mood etc), and some taurine.

Bump the clomid to 150 mg for a few weeks, drop the adex which is suppressing your overall estro too much. Just stick with clomid and aifm at 2 sprays.

At 6'2" @ 152 lbs you should just be concerned with keeping muscle on your frame, let the estro come up a bit to give you the pumps and energy.

Also, don't start lifting higher reps, stick with 7-12 reps and mix them on occasion....12 reps for a set, then 8 reps, then back up to 10 etc.

 

[Vascular Freak]

BTW, the mind is a bitch bro, your still using HCG which means that your body is producing massive amounts of test. I notice some of my best gains while on hcg.

 

[JKurz1]

cals arent too low?????

 

[Vascular Freak]

cals arent too low?????

Its hard for anyone but yourself to determine if your cals are too low. If thats the way you have been eating for a period of time (on your cycle) then stick with it since your metabolism has most like got "aquainted" with that level of energy.

Adding more in PCT will more than likely make you gain a little fat. Ultimately if you are looking to keep the muscle I would bump the calories a bit, mainly pre and post training which will add another 500 calories to your daily intake and will help blunt cortisol levels etc.

Add another 20 g of whey and 20 g of dextrose or fat carbs to your post workout meal. Also, shorten up the time between your pre traiing meal and the time you start training. This way you will avoid a catabloic state during training.

Also, don't space out your meals, if anything tighten up the time in between to say 1 hour and 30 minutes and slightly cut back on the portion size. This will get the metabolism firing and boost nitrogen retention.

 

[JKurz1]

thanks bro....but why would I can fat if I bumped my cals slightly on IGF and hcg, my test still is gonna be like it was when I was barely running 250mg a wek, right? Maybe I'm a hrt lifer, but I cant get blood tests now because I am #1 recovering and #2 overtrained which is prob. why i had low est to begin with......I jsut feel better on test, so ill stick out this pct and see what happens. Youve been great thanks again....

also, what were your results with IGF and on my rest days (4 of them) do I keep the diet the same? Also, on days I DO FEEL like doing 20 minutes of light cardio walk, do I increase? I wanna stay ripped like you bro.....but 150 wet sucks! It makes life a struggle.....how often do u cheat? Maybe I need a huge carb up......thatll prob. make me feel like total shit, huh?


7am PRO CARB FAT
1/2 cup oats 6.6 30 3 155
4 oz turkey 25 0 1.5 175
6 egg whites 21.6 1.4 0.3 110
53.2 31.4 4.8 440

9am
6OZ FLANK COOKED 42.1 0 10 261
1/2 cup brown rice 1 25 2 120
1/2 cup back beans 8 25 0.8 150
51.1 50 12.8 531

11am
6 oz tuna 52 0 6 275
1/2 cup oats 6.6 30 3 155
0 0 0 0 0
58.6 30 9 430

1pm
6 OZ CHICKEN 52 0 6 275
1 TBSP OLIVE OIL 0 0 13.5 119
52 0 0 19.5 0 394

315
2 scoop blend 50 6 6 250
1/4 cup oats 6.6 20 0.4 75
56.6 26 6.4 325
TRAIN (445-615)


630
SHAKE
virtago or dextrose 0 50 1 225
1 scoop whey 30 4 4 125
POST SUPPS 0 0 0 0
30 0 54 0 5 0 350


800
4 oz all white meat turkey 16.68 - 1.00 116.73
squash or black beans 17.475 30 1.2005 176.725

900
shake w/ walnuts or flax 50 5 10 300

 

[JKurz1]

The diet looks good bro, but I would add in some natural supps like BCAA's, glut, CEE, Tyrosine (for thyroid stimulation/mood etc), and some taurine.

Bump the clomid to 150 mg for a few weeks, drop the adex which is suppressing your overall estro too much. Just stick with clomid and aifm at 2 sprays.

At 6'2" @ 152 lbs you should just be concerned with keeping muscle on your frame, let the estro come up a bit to give you the pumps and energy.

Also, don't start lifting higher reps, stick with 7-12 reps and mix them on occasion....12 reps for a set, then 8 reps, then back up to 10 etc.

oh and I already take all the supps you mentioned esp. taurine, as I am taking clen as well....

 

[GymIntensity]

oh and I already take all the supps you mentioned esp. taurine, as I am taking clen as well....

why are u taking clen????

 

[JKurz1]

to hold onto gains....

 

[GymIntensity]

to hold onto gains....

hmm. maybe im wrong, but I would think running clen during PCT would absolutely destroy what gains you made. you are just going to burn muscle running clen during PCT.