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Many of the newer recommendations from the veterans on this site are to rely less on SERMS like Nolvadex and Clomid and use the safer and better supplements such as UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE from Protein Factory, or the TESTOSTERONE RECOVERY STACK from Primordial Performance, among others.
After my very first cycle I went with Nolvadex only for PCT anyway. Why the hell would I do this? Well firstly, I've been reading up on PCT on many sites, not just Elite. Nolvadex and Clomid are still the main staples for PCT, with HCG for longer cylces (8 weeks+ considered a long cycle). Occationally AI's like Aromisan or Arimidex are recommended but this is still debated like crazy.
Secondly, even here at EliteFitness there was an article last week about the benefits of Nolvadex emailed to me. So there are still contradictory messages sent out from this site.
Before I even started my cycle I purchased Nolvadex, Arimidex, UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE. My thinking was that I will try Nolvadex for PCT after this cycle. After my second cycle I will try UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, and arimidex (with the possiblity of some SUSTAIN ALPHA from PP) as per Nelson Montana's recommendation. After my third cycle I would use the TEST RECOVERY STACK from PP. Whatever worked best is what I would stick with for all future cycles. In other words, I would be my own guinea pig.
I'm not going to get into details of what I used for my first cycle if only so that it doesn't steal away from this thread, which is my experience with Nolvadex. I'll bring it up in a new thread if I think it might be of value.
What I will say is that it was a short 4 week cycle at newbie doses with a fast acting AAS. I gained 15 lbs and went from 201 lbs to 216 lbs. It's been four weeks since I stopped the cycle and I'm still 10 lbs heavier at 211 lbs.
I started Nolvadex the day after my last AAS dose. I took 2 x 20mg pills. I didn't really feel anything the first day. The next when I woke up I felt slightly depressed and a little moody. I took a 20 mg pill in the morning and went to work. I was a total asshole at work that day. My fuse went from a foot to an inch. Everything set me off.
The next day I took another 20 mg pill. Same thing. At this point I seriously thought I might be in danger of losing my job because I was yelling at everyone. Usually I let slide the daily stupidities that go on but I had zero tolerance all of a sudden. I decided my forth day I would take the pill before bed instead of first thing in the morning an see how that worked. Well, that day I felt more like myself again. No temper, though still slightly depressed (i.e. hard to concentrate and be motivated, and carb cravings). By bed-time I decided to skip the Nolvadex. The next day I felt even better and I made the decision to end my PCT altogether. I didn't want to jump on the UNLEASED or POST CYCLE because that would skew my 'experiment'. I will, however use them after my second cycle.
In all honesty I didn't expect such a bad reaction. I thought at the worst I would get a little 'bitchy' but not too bad. Holy shit was I wrong. Roid-rage nothing! Nolvadex-rage is brutal.
As I mentioned earlier, my 10 lbs are still there, my strength is still up, and feel like normal. I'm beginning to think that for a short cycle at small doses PCT might be totally unnecessary. I can only speak for myself. Other might have some better answers.
Thanks for reading.
After my very first cycle I went with Nolvadex only for PCT anyway. Why the hell would I do this? Well firstly, I've been reading up on PCT on many sites, not just Elite. Nolvadex and Clomid are still the main staples for PCT, with HCG for longer cylces (8 weeks+ considered a long cycle). Occationally AI's like Aromisan or Arimidex are recommended but this is still debated like crazy.
Secondly, even here at EliteFitness there was an article last week about the benefits of Nolvadex emailed to me. So there are still contradictory messages sent out from this site.
Before I even started my cycle I purchased Nolvadex, Arimidex, UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE. My thinking was that I will try Nolvadex for PCT after this cycle. After my second cycle I will try UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, and arimidex (with the possiblity of some SUSTAIN ALPHA from PP) as per Nelson Montana's recommendation. After my third cycle I would use the TEST RECOVERY STACK from PP. Whatever worked best is what I would stick with for all future cycles. In other words, I would be my own guinea pig.
I'm not going to get into details of what I used for my first cycle if only so that it doesn't steal away from this thread, which is my experience with Nolvadex. I'll bring it up in a new thread if I think it might be of value.
What I will say is that it was a short 4 week cycle at newbie doses with a fast acting AAS. I gained 15 lbs and went from 201 lbs to 216 lbs. It's been four weeks since I stopped the cycle and I'm still 10 lbs heavier at 211 lbs.
I started Nolvadex the day after my last AAS dose. I took 2 x 20mg pills. I didn't really feel anything the first day. The next when I woke up I felt slightly depressed and a little moody. I took a 20 mg pill in the morning and went to work. I was a total asshole at work that day. My fuse went from a foot to an inch. Everything set me off.
The next day I took another 20 mg pill. Same thing. At this point I seriously thought I might be in danger of losing my job because I was yelling at everyone. Usually I let slide the daily stupidities that go on but I had zero tolerance all of a sudden. I decided my forth day I would take the pill before bed instead of first thing in the morning an see how that worked. Well, that day I felt more like myself again. No temper, though still slightly depressed (i.e. hard to concentrate and be motivated, and carb cravings). By bed-time I decided to skip the Nolvadex. The next day I felt even better and I made the decision to end my PCT altogether. I didn't want to jump on the UNLEASED or POST CYCLE because that would skew my 'experiment'. I will, however use them after my second cycle.
In all honesty I didn't expect such a bad reaction. I thought at the worst I would get a little 'bitchy' but not too bad. Holy shit was I wrong. Roid-rage nothing! Nolvadex-rage is brutal.
As I mentioned earlier, my 10 lbs are still there, my strength is still up, and feel like normal. I'm beginning to think that for a short cycle at small doses PCT might be totally unnecessary. I can only speak for myself. Other might have some better answers.
Thanks for reading.
