My next cycle breakdown (year round) take a look...

[Metal Gear]

As most of you know I've been on a year round cycle since mid Sept. Here's the work in progress for the next 20 somethin week. It has 8 weeks of cutting and then back to bulking for rest. Notice there are no breaks, just "cruse weeks" every so often. It's a little complicated..hope you guys understand it:

Cruse week 1(start Jan 6)-Curse week 4: EQ @ 600mg, Proviron 50mg/ed, Nolvadex 40mg/ed, HCG 5000iu twice 5 days apart, Insulin 12iu/ed

Week 1-7 Nolvadex 40mg/ed (Starts Feb 3rd)
Week 1-6 T3 25mcg-50mcg-25mcg/ed (Cytomel)
Week 1-6 Clen 80mcg-140mcg-80mcg & ECA alternating (Spiro)
Week 1-19 Proviron 50mg/ed
Week 1-8 Test. Prop 150mg/ed (QV)
Week 1-7 Winny 100mg/ed (Zambon & QV)
Week 1-8 hGH 6iu 5 on 2 off (Serostim)
Week 1-12 EQ 900mg (Denkall)
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Bulking (The following doses might be increased slightly depending on the rate of the gains, this is a rough draft)

Week 8-13 dbol 60mg>up (Thai pinks)
Week 8-19 Enanthate or Cyp 1000mg>1250mg>1500mg (QV)
Week 8-19 Liquidex 1mg/ed
Week 8-19 Insulin 12iu/ed x 2 (Humalog)
Week 13-19 Fina 100mg/ed
Week 14-19 Anadrol 150mg/ed (Denkall)
Week 13-19 Bromo 2.5mg-5.0mg
Week 18-30 Deca 600mg (Denkall)
Week 20-24 "Cruse Week" with Deca + ?

to be continued...
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If you notice each cycle overlapses with the one after it so keep that in consideration

 

[jacopomiller]

What are you doing for weeks 19-30 for anti-e's?

 

[bigbench]

damn bro, I might have to get on something like that. then we can compare pics

 

[mvmaxx]

Metal Gear, are you planning on competing?

 

[thate]

Damn, you're gonna be sick after that. What is your goal weight/bf after all of this?

 

[bigdelt69]

damn thats alot of gear!!

Only downfall I can see is that you have 19 straight weeks of 17aa orals.

Just out of curiosity, do you ever plan on coming off?
Judging from the pic in your avatar you must be doing something right.

Good luck.

 

[RoNiN]

Hey Metal Gear:

I have been reading your posts for a while and i have a couple of questions for you:

1) Are you interested in have normal levels of test when you decide to come off ( when that day comes ) or is that not important to you? I'm not being sarcastic i actually want to know if you even care because some guys don't and that is cool with them then it doesn't matter.

2) Are you concerned with long term side effects at all?

3) Your "cruise cycle" is over 2500 mgs a week of AS , that is what some guys do when competing at the national level. Do you consider it a cruise cycle because that is what you think you need to maintain your gains?

4) Your bulking cycle is not that much more in total mgs then your previous bulking cycle ... is that because you think you can gain more mass with the same dosages or is there another reason?

thanks for your input.

 

[Metal Gear]

Hey Metal Gear:

I have been reading your posts for a while and i have a couple of questions for you:

1) Are you interested in have normal levels of test when you decide to come off ( when that day comes ) or is that not important to you? I'm not being sarcastic i actually want to know if you even care because some guys don't and that is cool with them then it doesn't matter.

2) Are you concerned with long term side effects at all?

3) Your "cruise cycle" is over 2500 mgs a week of AS , that is what some guys do when competing at the national level. Do you consider it a cruise cycle because that is what you think you need to maintain your gains?

4) Your bulking cycle is not that much more in total mgs then your previous bulking cycle ... is that because you think you can gain more mass with the same dosages or is there another reason?

thanks for your input.

1)NO, I don't really care

2) NOPE

3)Not sure what you are reffered to, the first 4 weeks I'm on eq only and anti E's the 2nd curse I'm on Deca only at 600mg with maybe anavar so where do you come up with 2500mgs? There's 4 weeks of cruse and then start of week 1, those are 2 different cycles

4)Those are my starting points at mg. I don't have to increase it that much every cycle. I'm taking almost 3 months off of Enanthate so 1250-1500 should be ok for starters! (I can always increase it depending on how my gains are comming along)

 

[Metal Gear]

Bigdelt69: lol...good question. I'm going until I hit my goal, which is to compete on stage and wreck all the competition, until then I'm on for a while. As far as 17aa, I really react good to 17aa orals. I've run dbol and a-50 back to back before with no problems, this is frist time running 3 back to back. I guess we'll find out!

thate: I want to be around 270lbs with 2-3% less bf. During the cutting I'll go down to totall of 4.5%bf with no problem and probably maintain 255-260lbs.

mvmaxx: Yes brother, very soon hopefully.


jacopomiller: Havent' got that far yet, Probably switch back to Nolvadex again.

 

[RoNiN]

1)NO, I don't really care

2) NOPE

3)Not sure what you are reffered to, the first 4 weeks I'm on eq only and anti E's the 2nd curse I'm on Deca only at 600mg with maybe anavar so where do you come up with 2500mgs? There's 4 weeks of cruse and then start of week 1, those are 2 different cycles

4)Those are my starting points at mg. I don't have to increase it that much every cycle. I'm taking almost 3 months off of Enanthate so 1250-1500 should be ok for starters! (I can always increase it depending on how my gains are comming along)

So i take it your one of the "DIE BIG" advocates? IS this because you just want to get massive no matter what the consquences are? I just want to understand if that is the only thing important to you because i don't feel that way but i know other guys i compete against do....so i guess i want to understand where this die hard motivation comes from?

Sorry about #3 , i understand what you are doing now.

As for bulking , you mean starting point as in what you need to do to get to the size you are now? Did you just come up with that starting point based on your experience or what others have told you?



thanks.

 

[Metal Gear]

So i take it your one of the "DIE BIG" advocates? IS this because you just want to get massive no matter what the consquences are? I just want to understand if that is the only thing important to you because i don't feel that way but i know other guys i compete against do....so i guess i want to understand where this die hard motivation comes from?

Sorry about #3 , i understand what you are doing now.

As for bulking , you mean starting point as in what you need to do to get to the size you are now? Did you just come up with that starting point based on your experience or what others have told you?



thanks.

1) I don't want to die bro, I know my bodies limits and I know when things dont' feel right and I decrease the dose, on top of it, I'm starting to do blood tests to see where I stand from now on. I have put a lot worst drugs in my body then roids so this aint shit

2) Starting point, meaning the minimum starting dosage that has worked for me in the past. I can always increase it as I go on.

 

[JG1]

2) NOPE

 

[DepressiveJuice]

1) Are you interested in have normal levels of test when you decide to come off ( when that day comes ) or is that not important to you? I'm not being sarcastic i actually want to know if you even care because some guys don't and that is cool with them then it doesn't matter.

what does this mean? if you stay on for a year, your natural test levels will eventually go back to normal right? is it possible to permanently shut down your test levels? i was planning on following palumbo's advice (half a year on, half off) in three years but if this will shut me down then i guess i better rethink it!

 

[bigmouth]

hey metal gear did you get that blood work done yet

 

[Metal Gear]

Not yet bro, I'm crusing right now, but once I start I'll go, looking for a good place that'a affordable to get it done frequently.

 

[Crankin'steiN]

SHIT thats a lot of gear......

And my doctor just told me that I am going to have some long term side effects from the 5 fairly low dose fairly short cycles that I have done....... If hes correct about everything he said to me, then he would DIE if he saw your cycle.... LOL

Your looking good man, keep up the good work, and keep us posted on your results.

Out of curiousity... what do you think is a good cycle to lose fat the fastest?? Something not too harsh or expensive..... And of course I will be doing my cardio and cleaning up my diet...

Any suggestions??

Thanks, Crankin'steiN

 

[bigdelt69]

ATTN: NEWBIES!!!!

Metal Gear is a seasoned vet. He has done lots of research, and plans on competing at a high level. These types of cycles are not a good idea for the average person.

 

[bigmouth]

SHIT thats a lot of gear......

And my doctor just told me that I am going to have some long term side effects from the 5 fairly low dose fairly short cycles that I have done....... If hes correct about everything he said to me, then he would DIE if he saw your cycle.... LOL

just wondering what long term side effects did your docter say you were going to have you must have done some damage to your body because if you haven't then i think your docter is a jackass cause what does he know about the future

 

[IronFist]

SHIT thats a lot of gear......

And my doctor just told me that I am going to have some long term side effects from the 5 fairly low dose fairly short cycles that I have done....... If hes correct about everything he said to me, then he would DIE if he saw your cycle.... LOL

just wondering what long term side effects did your docter say you were going to have you must have done some damage to your body because if you haven't then i think your docter is a jackass cause what does he know about the future

Ah good, another fucking wannabe expert...

 

[Metal Gear]

Crankinstein: Look at my cutting cycle that I'm doing. i have done similar one last year with less of dose and got great results. Check out my progress photos on yahoo, there is a picture there from last memorial weekend. Do 100mg test prop ed, 50mg winny ed , eq for 600mg along with clen and t3. Set it up close to what I have. Doesn't have to be a long one, but last time I did it, I dropped down to under 5% bf and I was 244lbs and it was a sweet 6 weeker.

bigdelt69: LMAO

 

[02gixxersix]

you are a very big person lol. good luck on that cycle bro you're gonna be a fuckin monster. just out of curiosity at what level do you compete now and if not professionally are you planning on it?????

 

[Metal Gear]

I'm not ready to compete yet. I want at least another 20 lbs before I do. I don't want to just compete. I want to compete and win and then see what happens from there on.

 

[DepressiveJuice]

that must have cost you alot of money. any chance your employer will hire me??

 

[Metal Gear]

Actually the only expensive part is the GH which i still get a good deal on it ($330). The rest I get at cost. EQs at $25 per vial, Prop $9 per, winny 100mg 20cc for $140, clen and t3 dirt cheap and the rest of the bulking is even cheaper. Bulking is always cheaper than cutting. Test Enantha is like $20 a vial, dbol .20 cents a tab, fina make is yourself for nothing, drol $150 for 100 75mg tabs. It's all about who you know! DO NOT EMAIL ME SOURCES...

 

[AustinTX]

ATTN: NEWBIES!!!!
Metal Gear is a seasoned vet. He has done lots of research, and plans on competing at a high level. These types of cycles are not a good idea for the average person.

LOL bigdelt; thanks for clearing that one up ;-) I'm sure they're still be a whadda ya think of this as a first cycle post that looks like Metal's

Metal, are you taking taking the HGH at 3IU 2x a day, or 6IU all at once?

Just curious; It'll be a year before I decide to do a cycle, and probably never get to one as hard core as yours, although HGH does interest me, still researching though.

 

[MR. BMJ]

I like it man. I'd suggest to definately add in some ALA and Tyler's for the liver.

I like the addition of the Bromo as well. You may want to start out at 1.25mg for the first couple of days before going to 2.5...5.0mg's. Preferably at night, as according to Macro, this is when progestin "spikes" are worse. Also, FONZ has reported less nausea when taken with a glass of warm milk.

Eq...I guess you could run this up until you start your deca...just a suggestion.

Liquidex, etc....I'd also keep Nolvadex 'on hand' during the L-dex weeks just for emergency. Eventually, as time goes on, you will have to use both simultaneously....then eventually maybe onto something stronger like Letrozole and Aromasin. This may not be anytime soon, but just something to keep in mind....

keep us updated!!!

MR. BMJ

BTW...How much did insulin have an impact on your muscle gains while bulking?????? I've used it during cutting, but have yet to use it for bulking schemes.

 

[mike1107]

I really like your cycle bro...another advocate of long term cycle
the only thing I'd add is a good amount of liver protector and then BOOM you're ready to explode once again bro !
for aromasin: I'd only use it in cutting cycle as it supposes to totally supress the oestrogen which are necessary to build mass (even if you have) but in cutting cycle it's a good choice..
just my .02.

 

[Metal Gear]

I like it man. I'd suggest to definately add in some ALA and Tyler's for the liver.

I like the addition of the Bromo as well. You may want to start out at 1.25mg for the first couple of days before going to 2.5...5.0mg's. Preferably at night, as according to Macro, this is when progestin "spikes" are worse. Also, FONZ has reported less nausea when taken with a glass of warm milk.

Eq...I guess you could run this up until you start your deca...just a suggestion.

Liquidex, etc....I'd also keep Nolvadex 'on hand' during the L-dex weeks just for emergency. Eventually, as time goes on, you will have to use both simultaneously....then eventually maybe onto something stronger like Letrozole and Aromasin. This may not be anytime soon, but just something to keep in mind....

keep us updated!!!

MR. BMJ

BTW...How much did insulin have an impact on your muscle gains while bulking?????? I've used it during cutting, but have yet to use it for bulking schemes.

1) I have never tried ALA before, I heard that it's better during cutting and it also suppresses appetite. Is that correct?

2)I got to get Bromo this time. Last time Fina kicked my ass. Still getting rid of the gyno. I'm just worried about the sides of Bromo that's all. Heard too many horror stories. I'll start at a low dose though like you said.

3)EQ all the way to Deca might be a bit overkill because I have the heavy hitters in there by that time, plus it takes 2-3 weeks for it to leave your system, so it'll be to the biginning of deca anyways

4)I might switch to Lestrozole by the time I get to that point, maybe even Aromasin if I can find it cheap. Liquidex worked good for me last time as an anti-e though. I had no bloat.

5) Insulin helped alot as far as strenght, I don't know about size because I was running a lot with it, but I'm on it right now for the next few "cruse weeks" and I love how it keeps me pumped and full all the time. Very good for recovery.

 

[MR. BMJ]

1.) I've never had any appetite suppression to ALA, that's a first to me. ALA is my all time favorite supplement. It is a 'must have' for me everyday. It can be taken during both cutting and bulking. It will help fight against insulin resistance as well during bulking, especially on cheat meals that are both high fat and high GI carb. MS, a very knowledgeable member on the womens board has stated it benefitting her during these types of meals...like pizza. It will also help keep insulin levels stable, which will also help keep water retention down as well.

HOWEVER, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS FIRST, since you are ALSO using insulin as well, you may want to save its use until after you are done with the 'slin. It can get pretty tricky using both. Maybe somebody with experience using both simultaneously can chime in here. I would definately add it into the mix at some point during your Dbol/Anadrol, etc to aid in liver protection at some point. When you are done taking your 'slin, add it in to help with insulin resistance, etc....

If blood tests come back bad for high liver enzymes, then you may not have a chance other than to either quit taking your juice, or to quit the 'slin and add in ALA and Tyler's. Tyler's should definately be added though.

ALA can be found in the r,s-enantiomer version for $5 at Wal-Mart. OR, go to www.anabolicfitness.infopop.net to get the r-ALA. ALA is just awesome, I can't express how much I have benefitted from its use.

2.) Yes, I think the bromo was a great move. I'll have to take it as well for future fina cycles due to progestin aromatization/agonization. It also will help to some sort with "fina-dick" and water retention to a degree.

3.) Eq....cool, I see your point.

4.) I'd play Letrozol by ear. Since the 'Dex is cheaper, and it works great for you, i'd continue using it until the first signs occur. Maybe keep Nolva on hand just in case. Then switch over to Let. However, if money is not an issue, then Let is the best of the two.

5.) I'm contemplating the 'slin right now....who knows...lol.

You will do very well with this cycle.

BMJ

 

[bigdog20]

Nice looking cycle. I am about to start a long 24 week one myself to get ready for my frist show. It will start feb 1.

 

[Crankin'steiN]

SHIT thats a lot of gear......

And my doctor just told me that I am going to have some long term side effects from the 5 fairly low dose fairly short cycles that I have done....... If hes correct about everything he said to me, then he would DIE if he saw your cycle.... LOL

just wondering what long term side effects did your docter say you were going to have you must have done some damage to your body because if you haven't then i think your docter is a jackass cause what does he know about the future

No, my blood work came back clean.... I think he was trying to scare me...... I am going to have regular blood work done though, just to make sure I'm alright. My health is important to me, and it will stay a consideration as I move forward....

But YES, my doctor is a bit of a jackass......


BTW: thanks for the suggestions metal gear!

 

[Metal Gear]

I defenitly need to get some liver protector. I'll do a bit research on r-ala and see how good it is. How about Liv-52 ?

 

[bigmouth]

No, my blood work came back clean.... I think he was trying to scare me...... I am going to have regular blood work done though, just to make sure I'm alright. My health is important to me, and it will stay a consideration as I move forward....

But YES, my doctor is a bit of a jackass......

i am glad to here you are alright peace

 

[Metal Gear]

How often should one get blood work done? Every 3 months sound good?

 

[bullcocky]

I saw that memorial day picture on your progress pictures. Tell me the truth.....are you bangin' that chick

 

[bigdelt69]

Metal Gear- a cycle of the duration is gona be hard on your body. (which i am sure you already know) I would contact DR. JMW and get his opinion on what you need to look for. Being that you plan to compete, now would be a nice to establish a good relationship with a Doc.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

 

[Metal Gear]

I saw that memorial day picture on your progress pictures. Tell me the truth.....are you bangin' that chick

LOL, fuck no bro. Some chick in the background that I have no clue who she is. You have to see my chick bro, she's a fucken knock out. I'm trying to get her into fitness competitions.

Bigdelts69: yeah I hear you bro. It's just a little tricky being on probation and all. Can't trust just anyone. I'm going to ask around and see if there is a doc that's cool with all this stuff.