My First Serious Cycle

[fifo_thekid]

So...after months of reading, investigating and planning, I decided to start a good steroids cycle. First my attributes:
- Age: 26
- Weight: 80Kg
- BF%: 18% (I don't have enough time to cut my body fat since I've to finish the cycle and the PCT by 15th of December)
- Height: 175cm
- I had one cycle of 20mg Dianabol (Anabol) per day, 10mg in the morning and 10mg in the evening, for about 12 weeks 7 years ago. I didn't get a PCT. My weight increased at that time from 62Kg to 74Kg. I don't know how much of that was muscle and how much was fat/water, but I know that I had a pretty decent addition of muscle.
- How long I've been exercising: long enough (I really don't want to discuss this point coz I'll be wasting a lot of time and energy...)
- Reading: I had enough! Finished reading and understanding most of the mainstream books in addition to reading hundreds of threads in many forums, and consulting a lot of guys.

Goals/Prospects:
Putting on 8Kg of muscle with no more than 3Kg of fat. I'll be starting a cutting cycle soon after finishing the PCT, but that's another story

Diet Thread:
/forum/diet-bodybuilding/criticize-my-cycle-bulking-diet-966693 h t m l

Training Thread:
/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/criticize-my-cycle-bulking-training-966703 h t m l

Now to the gear:
weeks
1-10 Test E 250mg twice a week
1-8 Tren Ace 50mg every other day
1-6 Var 50-80mg every day
5-10 Provirone 25mg twice a day
6-10 HCGenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
1-10 Aromisin 12.5mg(Liquid Stan) every 3 days
10-16 Forma-Stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks and then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm the last 2 weeks
10-14 Forged Post Cycle full dose am and pm


PCT will be followed with a bottle of bridge 1 cap 3 times a day for 3 weeks.
All the items above are purchased and I'll be receiving them within two weeks.

Pinning:
Since I've never done that before, the first time will be done by a fellow doctor/friend, then I'll be doing the second one in front of him. If everything goes OK, I'll be doing the rest. I bought 40 pieces of 1.5inch 5mm injections.

Questions:
1- Any criticism for the cycle?
2- Any additional ancillaries that should be in hand in case of an emergency (e.g. gyno)?
3- I was advised to use sarms s4 after pct 25mg twice a day from the day pct ends all the way till the next cycle. I was also advised to add in GW-501516 5mg every day at the least. What do you think of that?

 

[muscleaddiction]

So...after months of reading, investigating and planning, I decided to start a good steroids cycle. First my attributes:
- Age: 26
- Weight: 80Kg
- BF%: 18% (I don't have enough time to cut my body fat since I've to finish the cycle and the PCT by 15th of December)
- Height: 175cm
- I had one cycle of 20mg Dianabol (Anabol) per day, 10mg in the morning and 10mg in the evening, for about 12 weeks 7 years ago. I didn't get a PCT. My weight increased at that time from 62Kg to 74Kg. I don't know how much of that was muscle and how much was fat/water, but I know that I had a pretty decent addition of muscle.
- How long I've been exercising: long enough (I really don't want to discuss this point coz I'll be wasting a lot of time and energy...)
- Reading: I had enough! Finished reading and understanding most of the mainstream books in addition to reading hundreds of threads in many forums, and consulting a lot of guys.

Goals/Prospects:
Putting on 8Kg of muscle with no more than 3Kg of fat. I'll be starting a cutting cycle soon after finishing the PCT, but that's another story

Diet Thread:
/forum/diet-bodybuilding/criticize-my-cycle-bulking-diet-966693 h t m l

Training Thread:
/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/criticize-my-cycle-bulking-training-966703 h t m l

Now to the gear:
weeks
1-10 Test E 250mg twice a week
1-8 Tren Ace 50mg every other day
1-6 Var 50-80mg every day
5-10 Provirone 25mg twice a day
6-10 HCGenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
1-10 Aromisin 12.5mg(Liquid Stan) every 3 days
10-16 Forma-Stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks and then taper down to 3 pumps am and pm the last 2 weeks
10-14 Forged Post Cycle full dose am and pm


PCT will be followed with a bottle of bridge 1 cap 3 times a day for 3 weeks.
All the items above are purchased and I'll be receiving them within two weeks.

Pinning:
Since I've never done that before, the first time will be done by a fellow doctor/friend, then I'll be doing the second one in front of him. If everything goes OK, I'll be doing the rest. I bought 40 pieces of 1.5inch 5mm injections.

Questions:
1- Any criticism for the cycle?
2- Any additional ancillaries that should be in hand in case of an emergency (e.g. gyno)?
3- I was advised to use sarms s4 after pct 25mg twice a day from the day pct ends all the way till the next cycle. I was also advised to add in GW-501516 5mg every day at the least. What do you think of that?

Well let me first start by saying good job on doing your homework/research, following the protocol of stats, exploring your diet and training, and making PCT and on cycle ancillaries a priority...A!

Now for your first real injectable cycle...as you are probably well aware a test only cycle is normally recommended by all of us for your first. Yes you have done a Dbol oral cycle before, but this is an injectable and should stick with one compound.

Tren is not for the beginner! I would remove that from the cycle all together.

You can run Anavar I feel, although I would save it for the tail end of the cycle...last 6 weeks, and just let the test do the work in the beginning and let your body see how it responds.

Run your test 12 weeks @ 500mg ED pinned 250mg 2x EW

Run Proviron from beginning of cycle

Add MK-2866 (Osta) into PCT @ 25mg ED

S-4 bridge with Osta and Bridge will work well IMO after PCT of course...as you are probably aware...no S-4 during PCT as it suppresses.

I would add Unleashed to PCT as I know it works! HCGenerate all the way up to PCT of course...these two supplements are the reason this 42 year old man has 742 testosterone count currently...yes you read the numbers right.

You will need a SERM in PCT as well...Clomid @ 50/25/25/12.5 start two weeks after last pin of test.

Hard to see if I missed anything as I am typing this on my Droid walking on the treadmill lol.

Make those tweaks and repost cycle and lets see how it looks then.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness

 

[25homes]

Muscle addiction is right drop the tren

 

[RickRock13]

Your pct definitely needs work. Muscle addiction gave some great advice that I would also agree with. Unleashed in PCT and definitely Clomid are what you should add to what you are currently doing.

All the other advice he gave you is spot on as well.

Good luck!

 

[fifo_thekid]

Thank you for your polite reply. Although I was the one who designed the diet and training routine by tweaking well known ones, the steroid cycle was completely made for me by a respected member in this forum after checking all my attributes. That doesn't mean that I don't know what each bit of the routine is used for.
I did hear the one compound thing before, but I think that the tren ace has a very short half life, which would make it so easy for me to stop using it whenever I run into trouble. In addition to that, the dosage is so low that I don't think it's gonna have any negative side effects. I think that the main purpose of using both tren ace and var is to kick-start the cycle, that's why both of them were put at the beginning of the cycle.
As for the provirone, don't you think that it would lower my estrogen too much if used from the beginning of the cycle?
In addition to that, I'll be using aromisin from the beginning of the cycle which should be enough for the first weeks, right?
As for Osta, I've just read that there might be a possibility of interfering with the recovery if you're using it with PCT, that's why I was thinking of using it as a bridge. What do you think of that?
I'll be probably adding Unleashed to my PCT, as it looks so promising. 742? WOW!
I'm taking forma-stanzol, so I don't think that clomid is required...

Well let me first start by saying good job on doing your homework/research, following the protocol of stats, exploring your diet and training, and making PCT and on cycle ancillaries a priority...A!

Now for your first real injectable cycle...as you are probably well aware a test only cycle is normally recommended by all of us for your first. Yes you have done a Dbol oral cycle before, but this is an injectable and should stick with one compound.

Tren is not for the beginner! I would remove that from the cycle all together.

You can run Anavar I feel, although I would save it for the tail end of the cycle...last 6 weeks, and just let the test do the work in the beginning and let your body see how it responds.

Run your test 12 weeks @ 500mg ED pinned 250mg 2x EW

Run Proviron from beginning of cycle

Add MK-2866 (Osta) into PCT @ 25mg ED

S-4 bridge with Osta and Bridge will work well IMO after PCT of course...as you are probably aware...no S-4 during PCT as it suppresses.

I would add Unleashed to PCT as I know it works! HCGenerate all the way up to PCT of course...these two supplements are the reason this 42 year old man has 742 testosterone count currently...yes you read the numbers right.

You will need a SERM in PCT as well...Clomid @ 50/25/25/12.5 start two weeks after last pin of test.

Hard to see if I missed anything as I am typing this on my Droid walking on the treadmill lol.

Make those tweaks and repost cycle and lets see how it looks then.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness

 

[fifo_thekid]

I'll be probably adding unleashed to my PCT. However, wouldn't forma-stanzol replace clomid?

Your pct definitely needs work. Muscle addiction gave some great advice that I would also agree with. Unleashed in PCT and definitely Clomid are what you should add to what you are currently doing.

All the other advice he gave you is spot on as well.

Good luck!

 

[Essie]

I would also rather not have you run tren now. Just my opinion on that. The only other thing I need to add to all the advice you've been given thus far is the time when you plan to start pct ... Test-E is a long acting estered test. You are running it for 10 wks, which means that you need to start you pct at wk 12 and not immediately after cycle or in the same week as the last week of your cycle ... if that makes any sense? If you need a break down and expanded explanation of why, just ask.

 

[fifo_thekid]

Well, I can see that a lot of guys are advising me against tren
I think I'll be researching that more
As for the PCT timing, I do fully understand how to time it. Still, my pro friend advised me to do it this way. I think I'm gonna ask him again about that...

I would also rather not have you run tren now. Just my opinion on that. The only other thing I need to add to all the advice you've been given thus far is the time when you plan to start pct ... Test-E is a long acting estered test. You are running it for 10 wks, which means that you need to start you pct at wk 12 and not immediately after cycle or in the same week as the last week of your cycle ... if that makes any sense? If you need a break down and expanded explanation of why, just ask.