My first Bulk cycle

[pihh_rek]

Hi ,

I'm going to make my first bulk cycle ( I've done 2 previous cutting cycles in the past - 1st - Test prop + oxandrolone , 2nd - Test prop , Tren Ace , Masteron ).

I've been working out seriously for 5 years now , 7 years at all but I dont count the first 2 because I didnt know nothing of what I was doing and been lifestyling for another 4 years ( diet , sleep , less alcool , and so on ) .

So , Currently I'm 180 pounds , 1,70 m and 10-12% b.f. and I'm thinking about doing something like this for my first cycle :


weeks 1-10 Testosterone ( blend ) - 500 mg /week
weeks 1-10 Boldenone - 400 mg /week
weeks 1-10 Nolvadex - 10 to 20 mg ed
weeks 11-14 Cut stack (*) - 75 mg eod .
weeks 11-14 Parlodel - 2.5 mg ed

*Cut stack = Tren Ace, Test Prop , Masteron at 50+50+50 mg/ml

Pct with clomiphene ( I think that's how it is writen in english ) : frontloading 300mg . days 2-10 100mg ed , days 11 to 20 - 50mg ed


Diet :

Weeks 1-10: Gradualy ramp up the calories . Majority of them from carbs and protein( about 1.5g per pound of bodyweight ) . 3 to 4 cheats a week .

Weeks 11 to 14 : 3g per pound of bodyweight , 50 to 100g carbs a day , about 35 g fat a day . 1 refeed eow or ew ( depends of my discipline and if I'm on exames at college at the time )

So can you give me an opinion on this cycle ? what would you change or add ?


Thanks in advance !

 

[younesom]

Did I read that right, 3 -4 cheats a week? Depending on what you call cheats, I would say that is way too much. I have maybe a cheat day once a month.

 

[EZ_E]

Too much juice for a cycle and yeah, diet needs work

~EZ

 

[pihh_rek]

My concept of cheating is to eat some more carbs or to eat them not whole wheat .
I do not overboard my calories when cheating .

How would you change the juice quantitys ?

 

[newbie_1988]

boldenon it takes long time to kick in many users use boldenon for 12 weeks in my opinion you wont see a decent result from boldenon 400mgs for 10 weeks

 

[pihh_rek]

ok so in your opinion I should extend the cycle to 12 weeks of boldenone and test right ?

If I do that I wont make the final leaning phase . In that case is phosphatidilcoline an option for a bit of fat loss since it's mechanism has nothing to do with calories in calories out ?

 

[EZ_E]

Cut or bulk don't try to do both in the same cycle

~EZ

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Cut or bulk don't try to do both in the same cycle

~EZ

Agreed

 

[solidrock5]

im not an expert but maybe you should look into a better pct than just clomid.........any advanced guys wanna help out

 

[GreenBastard]

here man ill give you the cycle thats been used by thousands of people over the past 35 years, it works every time for making the gains, and with todays advanced PCT techniques and compounds its very easy to maitain gains.

Dianabol 30mg every day weeks 1-4 (Or you can use 50mg ED of Anadrol, a little more gained but side effects can be harsh)
Test C or E 400-600mg weeks 1-12
Deca-Durabolin 300mg Weeks 1-10
Anavar 40mg weeks 8-12 (to solidify gains, reduce water/fat, boost strength a little)

Run Creatine, Glutamine, and Multivitimins throughout the entire cycle and PCT, also run armidex at .5mg ED for the entire cycle and PCT. PCT should include
Unleashed Post Cycle
Formastanzol
HCgenerate
Bridge
Possibly Clomid or Nolvadex if you feel the need
Milk Thistle and/or Liv52
*Read PCT sticky thread at top of Topics page*

Everyone likes to run pct for different lengths of time, I find it best to run it for as long as your cycle was, but to start to drop one compound at a time around week 8. Then take at least another 12 weeks off after your cycle, 16 would be preferable, to let things recover before cycling on again. Again this cycle makes for excellent size and strength gains, with little water retention, and very few sides effects at these dosages. Personally I have found this to be the best overall 2nd or 3rd cycle in terms of the biggest gains with the lowest side effects. May be a bit much for a first cycle, but you have a couple under your belt already so that isnt a problem IMO.

 

[pihh_rek]

Thanks green !

Probably I'll do that cycle instead .
But before that let me ask you if I can make 2 modifications on the cycle ( Because I have here the compounds and I would save a lot of money ) .

May I change test e to sustanon ( test blend ) and change anavar to winstrol ? I have them both here so it would be cheaper for me to run that cycle .

Thanks in advance !

 

[Mekat]

Yea u can do either of those, but mind u, green said that was the best cycle for size with the least possible side effects..

Sust will give u more water retention then Test E and Winny will dry out ur joints, while anavar on the other hand will increase collagen synthesis, making ur joints and tendons stronger...

 

[pihh_rek]

I find anavar far more superior to winny . I agree with you on that one . The thing is I gave my anavar to my girl and I was hoping I could spare some money using the 2 bottles of winny and the other 2 of blend that I have here in order to invest on proper diet ( dieting where I live gets really expensive - So that you have an ideia , just to meet my protein requirements while cutting I spend the equivalent to 1/2 of the minimum salary ).

Anyway , I'll just delay some weeks so that I can join enough money and do things right .

Other thing , why do you say clomid isn't enough for pct ? I've done 3 cycles in the past ( test prop + anavar + t3 + clen ; test prop + winny + t3 + clen ; test prop + tren ace + masteron ) and had blood level analysis before and after the cycles ( pct in that manner ) and my blood test levels were actually the same than they were before the cycle .

The cycles were for 6 weeks , and the pct was only done with clomid (and parlodel in the tren cycle ) .

DO you think I should elaborate more the pct since it's a longuer cycle ? Or just extending is enough ?

Sorry the questions , at this point I'm not asking for advice , I'm wanting to learn more on this subject .
If you don't have patience I understand perfectly and I'm thankfull for the help you guys gave me so far .

 

[kc17]

I find anavar far more superior to winny . I agree with you on that one . The thing is I gave my anavar to my girl and I was hoping I could spare some money using the 2 bottles of winny and the other 2 of blend that I have here in order to invest on proper diet ( dieting where I live gets really expensive - So that you have an ideia , just to meet my protein requirements while cutting I spend the equivalent to 1/2 of the minimum salary ).

Anyway , I'll just delay some weeks so that I can join enough money and do things right .

Other thing , why do you say clomid isn't enough for pct ? I've done 3 cycles in the past ( test prop + anavar + t3 + clen ; test prop + winny + t3 + clen ; test prop + tren ace + masteron ) and had blood level analysis before and after the cycles ( pct in that manner ) and my blood test levels were actually the same than they were before the cycle .

The cycles were for 6 weeks , and the pct was only done with clomid (and parlodel in the tren cycle ) .

DO you think I should elaborate more the pct since it's a longuer cycle ? Or just extending is enough ?

Sorry the questions , at this point I'm not asking for advice , I'm wanting to learn more on this subject .
If you don't have patience I understand perfectly and I'm thankfull for the help you guys gave me so far .

I my self use clomid but some guys dont like it due to the sides .you could throw in winny 50mg ed las 5 weeks .