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saint808

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tren 75 mg Ed
prop 100 mg EOD or so
winny 50 mg ED


I will be taking cornholio's adive and drinking the winny as the inject especially in the bi's and tri's will be too large. Should i just drink it at once?

Also does it matter what time of day i do my injects and such?

Saint
 
saint808 said:
tren 75 mg Ed
prop 100 mg EOD or so
winny 50 mg ED


I will be taking cornholio's adive and drinking the winny as the inject especially in the bi's and tri's will be too large. Should i just drink it at once?

Also does it matter what time of day i do my injects and such?

Saint

Nope. Timing does not matter.

Good cycle, good choice on drinking it.

Get ready!!!
 
I would split the winny into two "drinks"..


Also, the timing doesnt really matter on the shots... But if you are doing sdite injects... I would shoot those muscles approx 2 to 3 hours before working that muscle.....

The oil will help stretch the muscle fascia as well as inflammate the site for better pumps and blood flow.
 
saint808 said:


yeah popped my cherry officially about an hour ago.

It's about time bro!!! I was wondering when you were going to. Good progress though being natural. Well, except for that little anavar you did but that doesn't count. :p Anyway, keep up posted on your results bro and pics too. BTW- liquidex would be a good addition to this mix. Welcome to the dark side. :vanp:
 
nautica said:
Question???

Why are we drinking winny instead of shooting it?

Nautica

There is no benefit to shooting over drinking it.
 
nautica said:


Unless, of course you believe in site enhancment.

True, but that is what the Fina and Prop are for. 2cc's per day for sites.
 
nautica said:
Question???

Why are we drinking winny instead of shooting it?

Nautica

3cc's is too much to shoot into sites... plus i don't believe in site enhancement... would take a long time to tear the fascia IMO, to make it worthwhile.
 
saint808 said:


3cc's is too much to shoot into sites... plus i don't believe in site enhancement... would take a long time to tear the fascia IMO, to make it worthwhile.

Site injects work bro. The whole fascia stretching are for oil based drugs. Winny is good because it's a non-esterfied roid and that muscle it gets injected into it's receptors gets first crack of the injected steroid. Sooo gotta back up Nautica on this one.
 
i'll try a 3cc shot this weekend then and see how it goes. remember i am new to all of this.
 
saint808 said:
i'll try a 3cc shot this weekend then and see how it goes. remember i am new to all of this.

Don't do a 3cc shot in one area at first bro. Find out your tolerance level first. Do like 1/2 - 1 cc with the winny, fina or prop in each area. Even though prop and fina have esters attached these two have been known to still be good for site enhancement. Based on personal experience though I wouldn't know except for winny which I definately noticed a difference when I did it a while back consistently. Well, in smaller bodyparts you wish to site inject. Quads and glutes of course can handle are larger volume more readily.
 
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i'll prolly do each bi with 1.5 cc's and see how that goes... of course quads and glutes can take the whole 3 cc's.
 
Cornholio said:
There is no benefit to shooting over drinking it.

This question just came up on Animal's board, here's what he had to say:

freshr1
Joined: Mar 20, 2002
Posts: 6

Posted: 2002-04-16 15:39
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Stupid question, but why would you want to inject a 17aa oral steroid?



Animal
Joined: Dec 03, 2001
Posts: 1502
From: Parts unknown

Posted: 2002-04-16 23:58
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There is a major reason and that is sustained release and higher blood levels over a longer time instead of a high spike and then nothing!

That slower release may also affect the amount the esterifies, too.
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What do you (anyone else) think about this?

EngiCream
 
EngiCream said:


This question just came up on Animal's board, here's what he had to say:




What do you (anyone else) think about this?

EngiCream

1 - Winny is non-esterified

2 - show me the blood work as to the sustained release...
 
Saint - be carfull with oil and water based in the same syringe.

With Winny using a slin pin is out.
 
Cornholio said:
Saint - be carfull with oil and water based in the same syringe.

With Winny using a slin pin is out.

Wait why?? Water based and oil based can be mixed in the same syringe no problem. I myself have done this and alot of other people I know have as well. Why are slin pins out as well? Slin pins and the zambons are perfect for each other. The other ones though will clog but not with the zambons. :confused:
 
Mike P.T. said:


Wait why?? Water based and oil based can be mixed in the same syringe no problem. I myself have done this and alot of other people I know have as well. Why are slin pins out as well? Slin pins and the zambons are perfect for each other. The other ones though will clog but not with the zambons. :confused:

I did not say it couldn't be done. I said to be carefull as the amount of pressure on the plunger will change due to difference in thickness.

slins are out, unless you get the 27 gauge and reto-fit onto a 3 cc syringe.
 
Hey you know what else I just remembered and it completely slipped my mind because I thought that too Cornholio, there is actually a study done that shows winny is more effective at higher blood concentrations of the drug by injecting it rather than drinking it. Genarr3 posted this actually I will try and find it. ;)
 
Cornholio said:


I did not say it couldn't be done. I said to be carefull as the amount of pressure on the plunger will change due to difference in thickness.

slins are out, unless you get the 27 gauge and reto-fit onto a 3 cc syringe.

Ohhh gotcha bro. ;)
 
To avoid the different pressures, shake up the syringe before shooting and it will mix relatively well.

Nautica
 
Here you go.


Q: There's this huge debate raging over whether or not you can "drink" your Winny-V. I know that because stanozolol is 17-AA'ed, I can use it orally. However, how much more or less effective is oral stanozolol over injected stanozolol? I hear that you need about twice as much stanozolol orally as you would injected to see similar results. How was this figure of doubling the dose orally determined?

A: There isn't a lot of great pharmacokinetic data in humans comparing oral to parenteral (injectable) stanozolol. So that idea of "if you use X amount by injection you need twice as much orally" is anecdotal and speculative at best. The best I could find is a study comparing the two methods of administration in dogs. My comments come after the abstract:

The effect of stanozolol on 15-nitrogen retention in the dog

Can J Vet Res 2000 Oct;64(4):246-8 (ISSN: 0830-9000)

Olson ME; Morck DW; Quinn KB [Find other articles with these Authors] Animal Health Unit and Gastrointestinal Sciences, University of Calgary, Alberta.

The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention in dogs by using a non-invasive 15N-amino acid tracer technique. Ten healthy, intact, adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2 mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days (Group 1, n = 5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on Days 7, 14, 21, and 28 (Group 2, n = 5). A 15N amino acid (5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on Day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high-resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined.

Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (P < 0.05) increases in amino acid nitrogen retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime. Stanozolol increases amino acid nitrogen retention in dogs, as has been previously observed in rats. This action of stanozolol may be beneficial in dogs under stress of surgical trauma and chronic disease.

Okay, so the oral dose was 28mg/week and the injected dose was 25mg/week. And the injected dose was far better at increasing nitrogen retention (67.0% versus 50.3%). This makes it about 33.2% better (roughly speaking), so if I extrapolate, it means to see the same effects as 25mg of injected stanozolol per week, you'd need to take about 38mg of it orally.

This isn't quite "twice the injected dose" and is, in fact, closer to 50% (52% or so actually). So if you assume the dog model is correct, or nearly so in other mammals like humans, you'd need about 50% more stanozolol orally than you would if you injected it. So if you used 50mg of injected Winstrol every other day, it would be a safe bet to assume 37.5mg of stanozolol used orally every day would provide a similar effect.
 
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