My Cycle Progession: Wow!

[khemix]

Alright guys, to start with, my stats:
Age: 22
Height: 6'2"
Original Weight: 178
Original Bench Max: 225lbs (i know lol)
Original BF: 6%
Years Training: 8 years, the past 3 very heavy.

Now, heres my cycle:
This is my first cycle.
400mg/wk, Ttokkyo Test Cpyionate, 1-10 weeks
20mg/ed, Ttokkyo Dbol, 1-3 weeks

I am on day 13 of my cycle. Things are going GREAT! My bench max has gone up to 240lbs, and everything is lighter! I have been eating between 3400 to 4000 calories each day and taking in about 250grams of protien. My current weight it now 188, 10lbs up! Yes, I know some of this is water weight, but I do not feel bloated AT ALL. It doesn't feel like I'm holding a bit of water. I have already gained 1/2in on my bicep and the veins still bulge out and are rock hard. This are going great but I've been contemplating adding something to the end of the cycle, like the last 4 or 5 weeks. Anyone have any ideas? If any of you have any comments or suggestions just let me know!! Wish me luck!

Chris

(edit: spelling lol)

 

[bigdelt69]

The only thing I could think of to add would be winny, but its not good to be on 17aa steroids for 10 weeks straight. I would just keep it like it is. The most important thing will be the post cycle recovery. Otherwise I think your cycle looks great.

 

[khemix]

bigdelt, I have got clomid right now, but im debating whether or not to use HCG instead. I'm afraid the clomid will give me some bad acne as I've very very prone to it. Any advice? (and thanks alot for the good cycle opinion )

Chris

 

[Lift Chief]

Those are good gains- i'd get more dbol and run it 4 or 5 weeks though personally.

 

[khemix]

Well I would have to order more dbol because I wont have enough. Would it be ok to miss a week on dbol and go back to it? I never really checked into that. I was also thinkgin about using prop at the end. Suggestions? Comments?

Chris

 

[Lift Chief]

Well I would have to order more dbol because I wont have enough. Would it be ok to miss a week on dbol and go back to it? I never really checked into that. I was also thinkgin about using prop at the end. Suggestions? Comments?

Chris

Well if you don't have it you're out of luck- don't skip a week- run it like you've planned.

For a first cycle i wouldn't worry about running prop at the end.

 

[khemix]

alright, I dont think I'll be runnign prop at the end. I'm most likely going to run the cycle as it is. I'll keep you guys updated!

Chris

 

[theoak01]

take the dbol wk 1-3 then after your last test shot start dbol agin(gives you time to order more0 and run until clomid so you keep growing while test levels in the body are dropping.

I know a few guys who this has worked great for

 

[bigdelt69]

CLOMID DOES NOT CAUSE ACNE!! Acne is caused by fluctuations in hormones. Using hcg without clomid or nolva is pointless. You have to have something to stimulate LH. The hcg will act like LH, but will do nothing to stimulate it. With out LH the testes will just shrink right back.

 

[khemix]

gotcha bigdelt, clomid it is. What do you guys think of my cycle/gains so far?

Chris

 

[bigdelt69]

sounds like your making great progress!

 

[BIG POPPA]

i know u're all excited about your strength gains and because it's your first cycle but bro go easyyy...many of us have shoulder problems from getting too strong too fast. your tendons and ligaments take a much longer time to catch up with your muscles.

good job so far though



BIG POPPA

 

[Tigrones]

big poppa is right, your tendons and ligaments need far more time and attention (and proper form). you get too strong too fast and than you get injured if you're not careful.
otherwise you're on the right track, don't need prop for first cycle

next time consider deca, it is awesome for those ligaments, joints and tendons.

good luck!

 

[khemix]

i know u're all excited about your strength gains and because it's your first cycle but bro go easyyy...many of us have shoulder problems from getting too strong too fast. your tendons and ligaments take a much longer time to catch up with your muscles.

good job so far though



BIG POPPA

Your ABOSLUTLY right! After a good day of bench my shoulder joints are so soar and painful I can barely take it! What can I do to prevent this??? I try to keep the bar low on my chest now and not flare my elbows out and that helps a little, but damn! Anythign I can take or do? I already use Icyhot and a heating pad.

Chris

 

[Zoomster]

The best thing that you can do, is what I have had to do. I am just finishing my first cycle, I got so strong so fast that my shoulders could not keep up.

I did two things...slow down the increase in the weight that you are lifting and take extra days off. The extra days off made a huge difference.

I also increased reps instead of weight on some sets.

If there is one thing I have learned from this first cycle, it is patience and using good judgement with the weights.

 

[khemix]

The best thing that you can do, is what I have had to do. I am just finishing my first cycle, I got so strong so fast that my shoulders could not keep up.

I did two things...slow down the increase in the weight that you are lifting and take extra days off. The extra days off made a huge difference.

I also increased reps instead of weight on some sets.

If there is one thing I have learned from this first cycle, it is patience and using good judgement with the weights.

I think I will try that. Today I worked chest and did lower weight with a few more reps, and kept strict form. My weight has gone up to 190! My strength is still going up and I'm feeling awesome now, but my asshole friend stole a packet of my d-bol so I'm going to have to end the dbol in a couple days :-(. I plan on sticking with just cypionate, but if you have any suggestions that would be nice.

Chris

 

[khemix]

Ok guys, back yet again finally. I've got some good news, but some bad on top of that. First, the bad: I am almost positive I have gyno! I'm kinda feeling lumps under them and they are a little tender. I thought I was not prone to it but I found out that I must be very, since this is only week 2.5. I didn't get any nolva either so im scared about it, so I'm having www.pumpnpose.com next-day-air me some of their tamoxifen citrate. Has anyone tried this? Also, my blood pressure is way up, but I havn't gotten it checked. I think this because I have not had a nosebleed in 2 years and I got one yesterday and one in the middle of the night. Ok I'm depressing myself so now on to the good news! Well I have never really been very fond of squats and my legs are most definantly the weak point of my body. My partner and I did heavy squats today so we put ourselves to the test. On the 4th set i repped 365lbs for 4! Thats crazy for me!! It totally blew my mind and gave me great motivation. I have dropped alot of water weight, actually only a few lbs. My current weight is 192. I have never weighed this much in my life so I'm pretty excited. My strength has really gone up and I'm only on week 2.5 of 10!! Wish me luck!

Chris

 

[Jman88]

Good job so far.

I haven't used Pump and Pose nolva but I would take 40mg ASAP until the symptoms subside and 20 mg throughout the rest of your cycle.

Don't get distracted by the sides-stay focused and eat big.

 

[khemix]

Thank you very much for the good feedback Jman. I plan on it, but do i need to take it ed, or could i go eod?

 

[khemix]

UPDATE: WOW!

My current weight is now 195, but strength is straight up!!! I started out at a max of 225, its now 245 only 3 weeks in! I stopped the dbol at week 2.5 because of gyno and i havn't taken nolva and the gyno is actually going away on its own, that or my glands were just swollen. I'm extremely stronger in all my lifts and I feel great! My BP has gone down alot and my lower back is no longer really tight, since i stopped the dbol. I may try a-bombs next cycle but I will have to do some reading. Hell yea! Wish me more luck, it seems to be working!

Chris

 

[theoak01]

I doubt that gyno is going away,I would get my ass on nolva

 

[khemix]

Yea I recieved my Nolva today and am starting therapy. 40mg/ed until it completely subsides, then 20mg/eod/ed....depending. Its the Nolva "tamoxifen citrate" from P*P, so i'll let you guys knwo how it is. Thanks for the advice dial_tone, i will take your advice on the maxing and doing a little lower weight for my joints and tendons. I feel extremely foolish for not thinking i was prone to gyno, but I'm doing everything I can to stop it! Thanks for your comments guys, you boys are great!

Chris

 

[easy]

Congrats on your results so far. Keep up the good work bro. Where in TN are you??

easy

 

[khemix]

Congrats on your results so far. Keep up the good work bro. Where in TN are you??

easy

Thank you for your positive comments, it's much appreciated. I will PM you and we'll talk through there.

Chris

 

[khemix]

well, time for week 4 update! I now weigh 200, more than I ever dreamed! I have gained 22lbs in 4 weeks, but I am still holding a little bit of water. My diet hasn't been the best unfortunantly but it's getting much better. I'm eating about 250-300g's of protein and roughly 4k calories. I have the biggest appetite ever and just never get full! I have been on the nolva for a week now and the gyno is almost completely subsided. I took everyone's advice and am doing lower weight to help my tendons and that help ALOT! I can see muscle grow literally within a week! My strength is still going up, but it now starting to taper off just a little as is my weight gain. Any comments or suggestion? Thanks guys!

Chris

 

[khemix]

I'm back fella's, after someone emailed me and said i should keep posting. I stopped posting because I figured no one read, but i guess i was wrong! Well it is now the end of week 5 and I'm up 25lbs, weighing in at 203!! I have dropped atleast 5lbs of water on top of that! About a week ago i dropped 5lbs because i didn't eat right and was somewhat depressed. I also took nolva and it hindered my gains alot. I maxed today for the first time in a few weeks and it is now 255, 35lbs up! My squat max has gone straight up and is now at a little more than 500lbs. My extreme joint problem has completely subsided as I use better form and dont do quite as much of heavy weight. All side effects that i was having stopped, other than the oily skin and a little more aggresion than usual, which is slowly going away. I get awesome pumps still and i feel great! I'm eating about 3500-4000 cals a day and about 300g's of protein. What you guys think? Lemme know!!

Chris

 

[Zoomster]

Great job. It is good that you have listened to the feedback that you have received. Very smart.

Remember there will be more opportunities in the future, the first rule of thumb in this game is to stay healthy. Pulls, tears and strains can set you back big time.

 

[ManOfArms]

no wonder you got gyno, test and dbol together.. try some Liquidex during cycle and clomid(3 to 4 Weeks after your last injection of test).

 

[JoBu]

i know u're all excited about your strength gains and because it's your first cycle but bro go easyyy...many of us have shoulder problems from getting too strong too fast. your tendons and ligaments take a much longer time to catch up with your muscles.

Good point. I know this is a rather extreme example, but I had my right elbow rebuild about a year ago...new ligaments on both sides. The doc told me to be very careful for 12-18 months because it takes the ligaments a very long time to stabilize. Muscle builds very fast, especially with some chemical help, but everything else that keeps your joints strong needs much more time to catch up. That's why I'm in favor of short cycles and 6-10 lb gains.

Good work though...just don't be in too much of a rush...it'll come!

JoBu

 

[Debaser]

Maybe I need to stop browsing the anabolic board...it's downright depressing. 6'2" 178 and turns to gear?

This is not a personal flame, but I'm starting to think it's fucking ridiculous that the training board gets so little traffic compared to the anabolic board.

1. learn how to train
2. learn how to eat

before you even think of looking at steroids. Christ, knowing how to train and eat is the best anabolic that 90% of you will never have.

 

[khemix]

Maybe I need to stop browsing the anabolic board...it's downright depressing. 6'2" 178 and turns to gear?

This is not a personal flame, but I'm starting to think it's fucking ridiculous that the training board gets so little traffic compared to the anabolic board.

1. learn how to train
2. learn how to eat

before you even think of looking at steroids. Christ, knowing how to train and eat is the best anabolic that 90% of you will never have.

Thank you for your input Debaser, I know I started juicing earlylier than i shoudl have and I expected some posts like this. If I remember correctly....Arnold himself first juiced at 16....correct me if im wrong. Now for the rest of you guys: A big thank you goes to you all and Karma will be coming your way to those of you who gave me advice and gave me a bit of an ego boost . I will keep you guys updated and its great to get feedback, keep it comin!! (any suggestions?)

Chris

 

[powrlifter7862]

congrats on all your gains, just be careful and patient!!! btw what part of tennesse you live in? i'm from northern alabama.

 

[DaddyX]

nice ass gains,and btw i don' think u r starting to early. goodluck witht he rest of it buddy

 

[khemix]

Powerliftr, I will PM you and we'll talk from there. Also I forgot to add that in the middle of the cycle i switched form Ttokkyo Cypionate to Quality Vet Cypionate, running it at 500mg instead of 400mg. And thank you very much DaddyX, I appreciate your kind words

Chris

 

[khemix]

Week 8.5 Update:

Lol 10 weeks sure does take a long time. Well unluckily for me....i got the flu! I had it for 4 days last week and missed 3 workouts, fuck! I lost 8 lbs and couldn't eat jack shit. Luckily I'm over with that (that was last week) and I'm feeling much better now, just have a hoarse voice and cough. My current weight is 205. I was at 210 but i lost some. Thank god its coming back fast!
As for sides, yes, they've gotten a little worse. I'm having some dreadful night-sweats so I'm not getting very good sleep. I think they're subsiding. I'm also a little but more aggitable (controlable) and my acne has flared up like a motherfucker. Only on my shoulders though, but it got pretty bad. It's going away now and I'm going to go to the dermatologist soon as well.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but please hear me out. I've decided to experiment a little, but i will be taking the necessary precautions. I will be getting my blood checked to make sure I'm not in any trouble. I have decided, that once my 10 weeks are over, I think I will stop the test and throw in some fina. 75mg/eod. I've decided to experiment in this way since I have never seen a first time user do a prolonged cycle. Please try not to flame me too bad, but some is expected yes. Any suggestions or tips are welcome, as is any help. Thanks bro's!

Chris

 

[little chris]

If he stops the dbol after 3-4 weeks he can add in some winny at weeks 8-12. Use milk thistle and ala.

 

[khemix]

If he stops the dbol after 3-4 weeks he can add in some winny at weeks 8-12. Use milk thistle and ala.

lol what are you talking about? Also I stopped the dbol at week 2.5 because of extremely high bp. Adding fina in weeks 11-17/19 @ 75mg/eod.

Chris

 

[bigp3]

Same height here dude, I have a fairly slow metabolism but I eat way more calories when gaining. I would bump your protein up to 300 g a day and your calories up of 4000 maybe 4500. Remember food is the most anabolic agent and i dont think you have to worry about getting fat. That is a pretty lean weight for that height, believe me I know that is where I started out at years ago. I have been as high as 280lbs,, you can do it too!!!!

 

[sk*]

Week 8.5 Update:

Lol 10 weeks sure does take a long time. Well unluckily for me....i got the flu! I had it for 4 days last week and missed 3 workouts, fuck! I lost 8 lbs and couldn't eat jack shit. Luckily I'm over with that (that was last week) and I'm feeling much better now, just have a hoarse voice and cough. My current weight is 205. I was at 210 but i lost some. Thank god its coming back fast!
As for sides, yes, they've gotten a little worse. I'm having some dreadful night-sweats so I'm not getting very good sleep. I think they're subsiding. I'm also a little but more aggitable (controlable) and my acne has flared up like a motherfucker. Only on my shoulders though, but it got pretty bad. It's going away now and I'm going to go to the dermatologist soon as well.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but please hear me out. I've decided to experiment a little, but i will be taking the necessary precautions. I will be getting my blood checked to make sure I'm not in any trouble. I have decided, that once my 10 weeks are over, I think I will stop the test and throw in some fina. 75mg/eod. I've decided to experiment in this way since I have never seen a first time user do a prolonged cycle. Please try not to flame me too bad, but some is expected yes. Any suggestions or tips are welcome, as is any help. Thanks bro's!

Chris

OK bro, listen ...

This was your first cycle, it is time to end it. You had great gains but the hardest part is ahead of you which is POST RECOVERY.

If you jump on the fina it might make it very very hard to recover, and take it from someone who has done something very similar ... it isn't worth it.

You did your 10weeks, now you must follow the following steps:

1. stop the cycle
2. do your post recovery and eat and lift very hard, harder than on cycle
3. get your blood work done about 6weeks after post cycle recovery

If everything is ok after the blood work, then you can jump back on another cycle until then stop your cycle.

-sk

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Maybe I need to stop browsing the anabolic board...it's downright depressing. 6'2" 178 and turns to gear?

This is not a personal flame, but I'm starting to think it's fucking ridiculous that the training board gets so little traffic compared to the anabolic board.

1. learn how to train
2. learn how to eat

before you even think of looking at steroids. Christ, knowing how to train and eat is the best anabolic that 90% of you will never have.

I have to agree. I was a solid 210 pounds before I ever touched steroids. Now I fluctuate between a very solid 225 and a bulky 235. The great thing is that I don't shrink up like some guys I know when they cycle. I can honestly say that the hard earned base I built is the reason for this.

No flame here, but some people need to turn to steroids earlier than others. If you have trained for 8 years and you are maxing 225 pounds on the bench.... I would say you need to juice.

 

[USArmySoldier]

good job man....keep it up. looks good

soldier

 

[khemix]

I have to agree. I was a solid 210 pounds before I ever touched steroids. Now I fluctuate between a very solid 225 and a bulky 235. The great thing is that I don't shrink up like some guys I know when they cycle. I can honestly say that the hard earned base I built is the reason for this.

No flame here, but some people need to turn to steroids earlier than others. If you have trained for 8 years and you are maxing 225 pounds on the bench.... I would say you need to juice.

I absolutly agree that most roid earlier than they should. I admit I should have waited longer, but I just couldn't. I had hit one of the worst platue's (lased about 3 months) of my life and I'm a very hard gainer as well. It takes everything I have just to gain 5 lbs. I appreciate your input and karma goes to you an sk*. As for sk*'s advice, I'm thinking about it very deeply and am contemplating wether to stay on or not. I know he has the experience, anyone else have any suggestions? Thanks boys, karma is on the way!

Chris

(Edit: Karma to you too Soldier, thanks for the encouraging comments)

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I absolutly agree that most roid earlier than they should. I admit I should have waited longer, but I just couldn't. I had hit one of the worst platue's (lased about 3 months) of my life and I'm a very hard gainer as well. It takes everything I have just to gain 5 lbs. I appreciate your input and karma goes to you an sk*. As for sk*'s advice, I'm thinking about it very deeply and am contemplating wether to stay on or not. I know he has the experience, anyone else have any suggestions? Thanks boys, karma is on the way!

Chris

(Edit: Karma to you too Soldier, thanks for the encouraging comments)

I don't think you should stop... That would be bad. I would say that you should concentrate on reps with your training and building your tendons. Also, make sure you are eating well. It sounds like you are. You have taken the plunge, so you may as well stick with it. Just make sure to concentrate on your diet even harder once you are finished, This is the hardest thing to do.

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

I have to agree. I was a solid 210 pounds before I ever touched steroids. Now I fluctuate between a very solid 225 and a bulky 235. The great thing is that I don't shrink up like some guys I know when they cycle. I can honestly say that the hard earned base I built is the reason for this.

No flame here, but some people need to turn to steroids earlier than others. If you have trained for 8 years and you are maxing 225 pounds on the bench.... I would say you need to juice.

I agree with what you are saying, but his 178 may be the same to his genetic potential as 210 is for you. I am 6'2 and weigh 208-210 with 6% BF. I have never touched a drug. I am only 22 and have been lifting for about 5 years. I don't think it's a matter of him not lifting for long enough before getting on the sauce, I think it's more of a matter of him having a typical ectomorph hardgainer profile. I do agree with what you said about having a good base and retaining more of your gains. Congrats on the cycle progress bro! Keep at it.

 

[babbabuee]

fuck man, I just read all three pages, very intereseting thread. thanks for taking the time to keep us updated. I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. I say quit as you had originally planned. Think of it this way, the sooner you stop and complete post cycle therapy, the sooner you can get back on. I'm on week 9 of a 10 week cycle and even though I haven't seen the drammatic gains you have, I'm thinking my next cycle is going to be the shit. awesome gains though, congrats.

 

[abc 1]

do the fina and witness first hand the hardest shutdown you will ever have. fina alone kills vets and you plan on doing it after 10 weeks of test. sounds like a really bad idea.

congrats on your gains, make sure to keep us posted 4 weeks after your all done up to 8 weeks/10 weeks post cycle.

 

[OAKBOX]

Those are amazing gains, bro. Stick with your original plan... I'm with sk* on this... do your 10 weeks and then start your recovery.

 

[theprophe]

Very interesting reading your progress, thanks for giving us a glimpse into your cycle as it was happenig.

 

[abercard68]

Do your post cycle recovery. EAT, EAT, EAT, EAT and be and damn ANIMAL in the gym afterwards. See how much u keep b/c after all what good is fucking up your sys if you don't keep any or much of what you gained? Keep the "natural" animal in you alive so you can thrive like blood thursty lion on your next cycle! However, awesome gains and congrats!

By the way hit me w/ a pm on were you are in TN.

Card

 

[khemix]

Well guys, i must say....thank you! I have to agree with everything you all said and i have chosen to go off cycle. I will do my post recovery and everything. I've got clomid and nolva, would you guys recomend i get some tribulus or anything else to make things easier? I'm a little worried about post-cycle depression as well. If you guys like, I can post my upcoming cycle, its a doozie and well planned! Thanks bro's, alot!

Chris

 

[easy]

Well guys, i must say....thank you! I have to agree with everything you all said and i have chosen to go off cycle. I will do my post recovery and everything. I've got clomid and nolva, would you guys recomend i get some tribulus or anything else to make things easier? I'm a little worried about post-cycle depression as well. If you guys like, I can post my upcoming cycle, its a doozie and well planned! Thanks bro's, alot!

Chris

Smart move bro. Hope your post cycle goes well and you keep those wicked gains.

 

[JibbyJabba]

I'm just very impressed with you attitude, Khemix.

Even when guys were giving you shit about juicing prematurely (what they perceived as prematurely based on nothing but your height and weight)... you were polite about it. Very kool.

 

[khemix]

I'm just very impressed with you attitude, Khemix.

Even when guys were giving you shit about juicing prematurely (what they perceived as prematurely based on nothing but your height and weight)... you were polite about it. Very kool.

Lol thanks, its nice to be flattered every so often. Well I know I juiced a little earlier than I should have, but then again so has half the guys on this board. Why should I bitch and say I didn't start early when I did? I also didn't want my thread to become a flame fest and I expected some negative comments as they are in all threads regardless. The way I view it is that most of the guys here are trying to help, and judging by my thread, they have helped me alot! They helped keep me from making a huge mistake and I'm glad I listened. Karma is where it belongs in this thread. Thanks bros, I'll keep you updated!

Chris

 

[JibbyJabba]

Well I know I juiced a little earlier than I should have, but then again so has half the guys on this board.

Chris

That's probably a low estimate, IMO.

JJ

 

[Peckz]

Good read bro. I like reading all these roid reports.

 

[OAKBOX]

bump for cycle progress...

 

[khemix]

Hey JibbyJabba, PM me, we should talk a little bit. Lol and thanks for the bump OAK. Well I'm taking measurements now and my bi's are 1.5in larger, chest is a solid 2 inches thicker, things are 2.5in up, and neck is 3 inches up! My neck grew like crazy. My forearms are also .5in bigger (didn't work them much). Also my claves are about 1" larger as well. This has been a rgeat cycle, 1 week left boys! Wish me luck!

Chris

 

[GT+]

Thanks for the inspiring report & great attitude Khemix.


keep it up bro,

GT

 

[FBodyGuy]

Nice post. It's awesome to hear people's gains. Anyways, I'm glad you got what you wanted if not more out of your cycle, too bad it's comming to an end. I hate the depressing feeling of comming 'off', it's like I lose that extra edge....

Hope you keep most of your gains! Keep Pumpin'.

 

[khemix]

do the fina and witness first hand the hardest shutdown you will ever have. fina alone kills vets and you plan on doing it after 10 weeks of test. sounds like a really bad idea.

congrats on your gains, make sure to keep us posted 4 weeks after your all done up to 8 weeks/10 weeks post cycle.

Karma goes to you bro, alot of it. You and sk* were largely the deciding factors in my decision to not use fina. Just the way you said it made my nuts shrivel up and quiver I deeply appreciate everyones help, advice, encouragement, and comments. You guys have been great in pushing me to do whats best for myself and its nice to come home and post on here and know someone is actually gonna read it and think baout something to say. You guys have a great night, I'll be back very soon!

Chris

 

[Sleekphysique]

Good post SK,the hardest part of any cycle is "THE END" all the guys I know who juice have said the same thing.How you deal with the post cycle situation contributes to how much of the gains u keep.Its like superman taking off the suit and becoming Clark Kent again,when in reality we would all prefer to be superman period.Listen to the guys who know how to end a cycle properly there input will be invaluble

 

[Lestat]

good thread.. it cool to see all the details, good and bad, of a cycle.

 

[ANABOLICK1]

Nobody enquired about what your routine is like. How many sets /exercises per body part are you doing? How often?

 

[khemix]

good thread.. it cool to see all the details, good and bad, of a cycle.

Thank Lestat. My main reason for posting my cycle progress was to give people a peek into a first-time cycle users cycle. I also wanted to get as much advice as I could and make sure I do things right. The guys on this board have helped me alot and this thread actually got more of a response than I expected.

As for my training, in total I have probably missed 5 workouts.

Mon
Chest:
Flat bench, 5x6-10.
Dumbell Fly's, 5x6-10.
Incline 5x6-10.
Cable-crossovers, 6x10-12.

Biceps:
Barbell curls, 6x6-10.
Dumbell curls, 5x6-10.
Upright cable curls, 6x10-12.

Tues:
Back:
Lat pulldowns 6x6-10.
T-bar rows, 6x6-10.
Seated pulley rows, 6x6-10.
One-arm dumbell rows 5x6-10.

Wed:
Legs:
Squats, 6x8-12.
Leg extensions, 6x12-15.
Leg curls, 6x10-12.
Calve raises, 6xFailure.

Thurs:
Shoulders:
Seated barbell presses, 6x6-10.
Lateral raises (standing), 6x6-10.
Rear-delt lateral raises, 5x6-10.

Forarms:
Wrist curls (forearms on knees), 6xFailure.
Reverse barbell curls, 6xFailure.

Fri:
Abs:
Various ab workouts lasting 25minutes, done non-stop.

2 of those missed workouts were legs, 1 was shoulders, and one was back. I felt terrible about it but I couldn't avoid 3 of them as I had the flu (not related to gear.) I havn't missed a chest, bi, tri, or ab workout luckily. I'm betting if I hadn't gotten sick I would be up atleast 5lbs. more. I dropped almost 10lbs when i was sick and luckily almost all of that was water. As of right now I've got a bad cough, sinus infection, and maybe laringitus (sp?). The shitty thing is I havn't been sick in 3 years before now. This next week is my last, so I'm going to give it my all. I'm going to eat anything and everything I can and take in as much protein as I can handle.
I can go into more detail about my training routine if you need. Any comments or suggestions guys? Thanks bro's!

Chris

 

[Lestat]

That is almost the exact routine I used to do before I started doing HST (7 weeks ago).

 

[supersizeme]

Congrats on your results. I have nothing gear related to add, but as far as your training goes, I don't see pullups or deadlifts in there. Those are two staples of any back routine. At your weight relative to your height, you should be able to crank out pullups or even weighted pullups no problem. Deads will thicken you up like no other. I just see way too many people in the gym that appear to be more than pullup-capable, and they're cranking out lat pulldowns every time.

 

[ANABOLICK1]

Thank Lestat. My main reason for posting my cycle progress was to give people a peek into a first-time cycle users cycle. I also wanted to get as much advice as I could and make sure I do things right. The guys on this board have helped me alot and this thread actually got more of a response than I expected.

As for my training, in total I have probably missed 5 workouts.

Mon
Chest:
Flat bench, 5x6-10.
Dumbell Fly's, 5x6-10.
Incline 5x6-10.
Cable-crossovers, 6x10-12.

Biceps:
Barbell curls, 6x6-10.
Dumbell curls, 5x6-10.
Upright cable curls, 6x10-12.

Tues:
Back:
Lat pulldowns 6x6-10.
T-bar rows, 6x6-10.
Seated pulley rows, 6x6-10.
One-arm dumbell rows 5x6-10.

Wed:
Legs:
Squats, 6x8-12.
Leg extensions, 6x12-15.
Leg curls, 6x10-12.
Calve raises, 6xFailure.

Thurs:
Shoulders:
Seated barbell presses, 6x6-10.
Lateral raises (standing), 6x6-10.
Rear-delt lateral raises, 5x6-10.

Forarms:
Wrist curls (forearms on knees), 6xFailure.
Reverse barbell curls, 6xFailure.

Fri:
Abs:
Various ab workouts lasting 25minutes, done non-stop.

2 of those missed workouts were legs, 1 was shoulders, and one was back. I felt terrible about it but I couldn't avoid 3 of them as I had the flu (not related to gear.) I havn't missed a chest, bi, tri, or ab workout luckily. I'm betting if I hadn't gotten sick I would be up atleast 5lbs. more. I dropped almost 10lbs when i was sick and luckily almost all of that was water. As of right now I've got a bad cough, sinus infection, and maybe laringitus (sp?). The shitty thing is I havn't been sick in 3 years before now. This next week is my last, so I'm going to give it my all. I'm going to eat anything and everything I can and take in as much protein as I can handle.
I can go into more detail about my training routine if you need. Any comments or suggestions guys? Thanks bro's!


Damn that's high volume. At least you're training each bodypart once a week. This routine would probably contitute overtraining if it wasn't for AAS. You're not training to failure on most of those sets?

Chris

 

[babbabuee]

hey khemix, where's the triceps in your routine?

 

[khemix]

Lol sorry, I didn't realize I didn't show my tricep workout. I do it on tuesdays after back.

2-Chair weighted dips (weight on lap, me suspended between 2 benches)
Close-grip bench presses 6x6-10
Pushdowns 6x6-10
French press (barbell) 6x6-10 (if time permits)

Anabolick, yes, I AM training to failure for all of those sets. The rep-range is just a minumum/maximum for me. If i get more, I go up weight. If there is 6 sets I usually do 2 sets of 10, 2 sets of 8, and 2 sets of 6. I've thought about the wide-grip pullups and deadlifts, but never actually done them. I will look more into them and try them tomorrow. Would you guys mind posting an example deadlift and pullup routine? Thanks bros, talk to you soon!

Chris

(PS. Lestat, this is a variation of Arnold's workout routine. It is very similar, just optimized here and there for me. And not done 3 times a week lol.)

 

[khemix]

Bump, anyone have any advice for me?

 

[khemix]

Congrats on your results. I have nothing gear related to add, but as far as your training goes, I don't see pullups or deadlifts in there. Those are two staples of any back routine. At your weight relative to your height, you should be able to crank out pullups or even weighted pullups no problem. Deads will thicken you up like no other. I just see way too many people in the gym that appear to be more than pullup-capable, and they're cranking out lat pulldowns every time.

Karma to you brother! I did deadlifts day before yesterday on my back day and shit! I'm STILL soar from those fuckin things! I havn't done the pull-ups yet though, forgot to try them out. Ill definantly let you know bro. Thanks again!

Chris

 

[DaddyX]

waasuup - i agree pullups and deadlifts are very good but they are not essential for everyone like myself. i just did my first set of deads on wed. since about 2 years ago and i never do pullups. my back is sick bro - ill try to post a pick. i believe close grips pulldowns are the shit. it is always good to try new things tho chris - ttyl bro

 

[khemix]

UPDATE!

Well guys, I'm back for probably my last update. In total on that cycle I gained 30lbs. I would have gained probably another 5-10lbs if i hadn't gotten the flu mid-cycle. Well I've got 9 days left on clomid and everything is going great. Unfortuanntly right as I ended my cycle I got the flu again (wtf?) and then had to go out of town, so missed 2 weeks of working out. I have finally gotten back to my regular schedule now. My strength has dropped very little and I have experienced NO shutdown what so ever, NO loss in sex drive, NOTHING! I don't feel depressed or anything, I actually feel great!

As far as sides go, I'm very prone to acne so post cycle was a bitch with that. It didn't really affect my face, just my arms. Hell it even reached my forearms! Its subsiding now and is almost gone. Thank god. The only other sides I noticed was a very small ammount of atrophy in my sac and just a little less sperm near the end of the cycle, neither of which effected me. Other than that things went great. I plan on going back in in a couple months, if i get some feedback on here I'll post the cycle, its pretty hefty and long. Thanks bro's and lemme know what you think! (I'm very generous with karma)

Chris

(PS. I also realized I have excellent genetics.)

 

[khemix]

Cycle Rating: Out of 10, 10 being the highest.

Strenght: 9 (bench went up 45lbs wow)
Size: 9
Weight gain: 10
Sides: 6 (acne got TERRIBLE and had a little too much aggression)

Chris

 

[chanmanfoo]

nice to see this post still going. good job khemix its nice to see a full cycle journal on here as not too many people seem to finish them. karma to you.
foo

 

[khemix]

Thanks bro, it took me awhile to get time and stuff to get on here and post but I'm back now. Karma to you too bro. Anyone else?

Chris