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My CKD Results

I really need to re-evaluate my refeeds...there is no way I put on 7 pounds. I wonder if it is water. I may have to drop the diet if I can't control them.

Anyone really binge and still drop steady weight? I did 36 hours this weekend.
 
I binged way too hard two weekends ago and gained weight, this weekend I did a 48 hour refeed and didn't eat as much and weighed myself this morning at 217.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I binged way too hard two weekends ago and gained weight, this weekend I did a 48 hour refeed and didn't eat as much and weighed myself this morning at 217.
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Did you drop that weight quickly though....I had the same prob last week, but the weight seemed to come off quickly.

I weighed 196 this AM....I figured I be under 190 by now.
 
This is the start of my second week on CKD

So far I've not lost anything significant. One day I weighed myself and I was down 4 lbs. I weighed again later on in the day and I was back to 230 :(. I put my scale away so I won't be obsessed with it.

I use the ketostix alot to see if I've been kicked out of ketosis. So far I haven't. I don't see why I haven't lost anything.

Will it do me much good if I'm in Ketosis but not eating quite enough? I'm doing my best to keep track of all that I ate today. I came really close I'm about 400 calories away. But I'm way off on Fat content and Protein. My carbs are under 20.

Any feedback will be appreciated.

Oh and I take a multivitamin, fiber caps, and an EFA every day!

Has anyone ever mixed heavy cream with a Vanilla Whey shake? I just thought of this just now and I'm wondering if this would be acceptible.

One other thing that is sort of off topic. I haven't really lifted weights much until I started CKD. I'm extremely weak! Is there any kind of estimate on how much I should be able to increase my weight that I bench. My bench from this week to last week is the same.

my totals for the day will be:
Cals fat Carb Protein
2486 181 9 178


Thanks for any help!
 
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My wife started CKD, yesterday....she was in moderate to deep ketosis by last night.....WTF? Is that normal? She was taunting me too.
 
beastboy said:
My wife started CKD, yesterday....she was in moderate to deep ketosis by last night.....WTF? Is that normal? She was taunting me too.
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hey beast broly, how much fats from EFA's are you gettting? I'm thinking I need to bump mine up. maybe that'll help.
 
The Nature Boy said:


hey beast broly, how much fats from EFA's are you gettting? I'm thinking I need to bump mine up. maybe that'll help.
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I have no clue....so probably not the amount I am suppose to be getting. Maybe some flax or fish oil could help getting us back in.
 
dude I went nuts and bought cla, fish oil, udos, and borage oil. no caps, straight up oil. hell yeah. looks like I'm going to have to cut back on my bacon and bratwarst consumption.
 
u guys seem to very supportive of newbies and was wondering if you can answer a few questions.

how strenuous are your excercises while on this diet?
1hr of cardio or more a day? do you lift to gain strength and build mass or just to keep fit?

when you have very little time or no time or just too tired to cook what do you do? any tips on some easy to prepare meals like in the microwave or ready to eat or canned stuff i can buy at the store or supermarket?
 
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I think most people can only hope to maintain their strenghth on CKD. You really shouldn't count on making any gains.

Prepare, prepare, prepare. Make sure you have the food available to you. I usually cook for 3-4 days straight.

If you don't carb up at all you are basically just doing Atkins.


If you are greater than 15%bf for men or 20%bf for women you have enough fat to sustain you, so a carb up once a week isn't necessary. Maybe every 2 weeks instead, or a half day carb up. Carbing up is what makes CKD different than atkins. Carbing up, enables you to still train in the gym, if I am correct.

Good luck.
 
nybuddha said:
u guys seem to very supportive of newbies and was wondering if you can answer a few questions.

how strenuous are your excercises while on this diet?
1hr of cardio or more a day? do you lift to gain strength and build mass or just to keep fit?

when you have very little time or no time or just too tired to cook what do you do? any tips on some easy to prepare meals like in the microwave or ready to eat or canned stuff i can buy at the store or supermarket?
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Flexygrl pretty much explained it, but I'll expand on it a bit....

When in ketosis your body is in a state of using and burning fat for fuel....therefor you are not going to grow...although that is possible if you are working out the day or two after your refeed. This diet is not meant to gain mass....so don't attempt to do so.

I put as much effort into my workouts now then I did before, but i can tell a difference in strenght....but I sill give it all I can. As far as cardio, I recommend against it...but for some it is a good thing....but id you are going to do it, keep it a low/mod intensity if you are going to do 20 minutes or more. I think sprints are a good alternative to the above, though.

Microwave, huh? LOL...this is a diet for the most part you need to cook...so pre-cook your food so you can heat it up later or the next day....if you are in a bind, you can always he lunch meat and cheese....a salad (for me that is just lettuce, cheese, and Ranch)...or I like Steak Um....microwaving them is good..add some cheese and mayo and you have a good meal.

Hope this helps, and good luck.




Nature Boy....I may have a problem with aspartame too...I drink 3-4 Diet Dr. Pepprers a day....it takes forever to get into ketosis, but once I'm in, the diet pop doesn't seem to kick me out. I think next week, I am going to stick with just water and see how it goes......I'm still stumped at my plateau though.....I'm going to keep my carb up this weekend to 12 hours and try to cut out all the saturated fat.....stick with bread and pasta, and see if that seems to help me at all. Last weekend I had 4 ice cream Snickers...Pancakes...French Toast....Nachos....Apple Cake....and a bunch of other crap. I just need to use more restraint when it comes to the refeeds.
 
Today was my first refeed after being on CKD for 10 days. I'm going to try and get back into ketosis tommorow and do leg work outs and then a full body circuit on friday. And then I'll try not to do another carb up for 10 days.

I haven't lost any weight yet. I'll weigh myself one day and see some loss then weigh the next day and I'll have gained it back and then some. I'll check to see if I'm in ketosis and the stix say I am.

I can't tell what I'm doing wrong. Is it possible to be losing fat but not actually show any change in the scale? I maybe losing inches but I didn't measure.

I'm just a little frustrated, I figured I would show a little bit of progress after 10 days.
 
How do you look in the mirror? Do your clothes fit better? If you answered yes to both of those questions and your weight on the scale has remained nearly constant then you've done a good job of retaining muscle and losing some fat. Otherwise try throwing in morning cardio after a light meal, upping the calories some and creating a deficit by increasing overall energy.
 
There are alot of water weight fluctuations on this diet, so the watching the scale can be nerve racking.....write you starting weight down. And then maybe weigh yourself once a week. Also...make sure you are below maint. on your calories.

Yesterday morning I was 194.....this AM I was 190.5.
 
If I weigh myself first thing in the morning I'll be about 4 lbs lighter. Later on in the day I must be getting heavier due to the water I'm drinking...

Doh' I'm retainin water :D
 
thanks for all the info so far a few more questions and i think im set. when should i weigh myself, in the morning or at night and on an empty or full stomach?, so i can correctly figure out the ratios. how long does it take to get into ketosis? if i dont hit ketosis im guessing i should skip the carb up phase at the end of the week. i know dietary fibers wont kick you out of ketosis but will it prevent you from getting into ketosis if you are first starting out? macadamia nuts have alot of carbs but alot of it comes from dietary fiber. while following this diet do i need to adjust anything for the calorie deficit i create when doing cardio and lifting? im planning on doing like an hr of cardio and a few exercises for the upper and lower body.


thanks again
 
nybuddha said:
thanks for all the info so far a few more questions and i think im set. when should i weigh myself, in the morning or at night and on an empty or full stomach?, so i can correctly figure out the ratios. how long does it take to get into ketosis? if i dont hit ketosis im guessing i should skip the carb up phase at the end of the week. i know dietary fibers wont kick you out of ketosis but will it prevent you from getting into ketosis if you are first starting out? macadamia nuts have alot of carbs but alot of it comes from dietary fiber. while following this diet do i need to adjust anything for the calorie deficit i create when doing cardio and lifting? im planning on doing like an hr of cardio and a few exercises for the upper and lower body.


thanks again
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Weigh yourself in the morning....but go by the mirror not the scale.

Also...check out this link should help with the other questions.

http://www.lowcarbluxury.com/ketostix.html
 
7/11 ---> 188.5 Looks like I'm dropping weight rapidly, again. I've never been this low. I'm going to do a 12 hour refeed and see what that does for me.

Also...I am convinced that aspartame hampers my ability to get into ketosis, but when in, it doesn't affect it....sooooo I'm congratulating myself with a Diet Dr. Pepper. Woot! Woot!
 
beastboy said:
If you are retaining it then you wouldn't be lighter in the morning.
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So I would think I would be retaining water cause in the morning before I've drank any I'm really light. But later in the day after I've drank my 1.5 gallons or so I am heavier. Please explain..

I'm still at 230lbs give or take 2 lbs. I can't figure out what I've done wrong. I was on ckd for 10 days straight I checked if I was in keto and every time I tested I was ok.

But still no loss. Ppl keep telling me how much weight they lost by the second week but I've not lost anything.

And I'm still not back in keto after my carb up on Wed :confused:

I've had two glasses of lemonade with Aspartame i bet that might be hurting me. I have also been drinking p/w shake yesterday and today it has 4 grams per serving. I probably should cut out all carbs until I can get back in ketosis.

I have noticed I am able to bench more, and when I look in the mirror I appear to be a little bit trimmer...
 
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Retaining it would last for days.....your body is getting rid of the water quickly.....for example...when I carb up on Sunday I retain the water for a 3 days afterwards.....it takes that long for my body to burn the carbs and the water held because of those carbs. I usually weigh about the same in the evening and the morning till about the 4th dayt I see I rapid drop in weight.
 
Anywho...I was @ 186.5 Sunday afternoon.....that was after my previous evening of pizza and beer bread.

Had a somewhat tame day yesterday, but I think for every gram of carbs I take in, I gain a gallon of water.

I was 191.5 this AM, but I expect that to come off within the next couple of days.
 
I had a carb up day on Wed and I still wasn't in keto by Friday. I cheated on Saturday cause my mom and sister were in town, I had fries, and some cheesy potatoes (with steak, shrimp and chicken).

I figured what the hell and decided I would check for ketos on Sunday evening and it showed trace amounts of ketones! I was a little shocked to say the least

Isn't that rather strange that even though I ate carbs on Saturday I was able to get into ketosis the next evening? It wasn't a lot of carbs but I figured it would be enough to keep me from ketosis.

On Saturday night I did some pretty heavy cardio I wonder if that made any kind of difference?
 
my appetite's been shot, i'm on TKD, but i decided i should carb up after 2 1/2 weeks. I went out for dim sum w/ my girl, we ate a pathetic 13 bucks worth, lol.
 
Off of my 10 day carb fest prior to yesterday, I am already in ketosis only halfway through Tuesday. Very odd. When I was doing semi-clean 24 hour carbups on Sundays, it was taking me until Wednesday evening to get back in.

Now i'm showing dark, dark purple readings. I'm not going to fight it, but it just seems a little odd to me.

Drank two glasses of diet root beer last night, so it appears that the aspertame/citric acid problem doesn't pertain to me.
 
beastboy said:


Me too brolyette. My wife is in already again though.....pure and utter BS.
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maybe we're efficient with our ketones.

I'm not going to spring for that stupid blood meter, they're like 120-150 and the strips for that are like 60 dollars for 20. fuck that.
 
The Nature Boy said:


maybe we're efficient with our ketones.

I'm not going to spring for that stupid blood meter, they're like 120-150 and the strips for that are like 60 dollars for 20. fuck that.
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If I'm not back in ketosis by tomoroow morning, I am going back to drinking a gallon of diet dr. pepper a day.
 
Beastboy what kind of creatine do you take? I was going to get some at GNC, but the guy was telling me if I get it w/out carbs it won't do me any good.

Is that true?
 
Could you also post your work out for the week? I just want to compare it with what I do, and see if I need to vary anything.

Thanks!!
 
koolzero said:
Beastboy what kind of creatine do you take? I was going to get some at GNC, but the guy was telling me if I get it w/out carbs it won't do me any good.

Is that true?
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LOL...he was trying to sell yoou Muscletech, wasn't he?

Honestly I don't use it anymore....didn't see any results that constituted the money....not that it is exspensive.

Just buy something cheap, like AST or just any pure creatine....and take it with carbs.
 
beastboy said:


If I'm not back in ketosis by tomoroow morning, I am going back to drinking a gallon of diet dr. pepper a day.
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already done


koolzero, never listen to anyone at GNC. carbs only help with absorbtion of creatine, you can still take creatine w/o carbs though.
 
Have been at 181 the past 2 days and have been in ketosis since Tuesday morning after the massive carbfest last week.

I realized that I lost too much, too fast and it almost looks like i'm wasting away.

Started a 6 week cycle of 1-AD with glutamine and started on Yohimburn this week.

I'm happy that my weight hasn't changed because i'm pretty sure i'm not losing muscle any longer.
 
I don't know what he was trying to sell me I just called up my local GNC to ask a general question.

Even at the gym the guy was putting down the CKD and saying if you don't eat any carbs you're going to lose muslce.

idiots.

woo hoo tommorow is my carb up day!!
 
theoretically you can lose muscle. New muscle tissue cannot be formed in the absence of insulin. Fortunately ketones are muscle sparing by nature and as a result, can preserve muscle mass more effectively when calorie deficient than a balanced cal deficit diet. It is often argued, however, that the presence of insulin in balanced restricted cal diets allows new muscle formation even in the presence of limited catabolism to outweigh the benefits of ketones' muscle sparing qualities.
 
people take it when they do their carb ups. during your carb free days taking r-ala means you're taking a very expensive anti-oxidant.

I take borage oil (gla) during the week and not on my carb up days. You might be able to take it during carb up time but I don't.
 
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