My 20 week cycle, take a look

[gainerxxl]

Hi,
I´m planning to compete for the first time, so I decided to transform my body within 20 weeks using the following stuff:

week 1-12: 500mg Testex/week
week 1-4: 25 mg d-bol/day
week 6-14:400mg deca/week
week 14-20 (maybe 22): 300mg Primobolan week
week 12-20: 250mg Testex/week

Aromasin will be used 6 weeks before the show, along with the Primobolan and the Testex to get really hard. I´m now in week 8 and gained 10 pounds of quality muscle so far and I can feel the deca kicking in now. Just used HCG (1500 IU´s spread over a week) to get my balls back to size. Massive Clomid therapy will follow, as well as a very long time off.
Blood work just got done, everythings allright, except liver enzymes being a bit high, but nothing to worry about.

My stats: 210 pounds, 6´2", 9%BF, been lifting for 6 years now, 23 years old.

Any suggestions? Criticism? I would like to use Winny in the weeks before the contest, but my liver values tell me to use Primo along with some test and Aromasin instead.
Good cycle or health hazard, what do you guys think?

gainerxxl

 

[Metallica]

i think your asking for trouble.

 

[boss]

i would knock out that 250mg testex at the end but it looks ok. your not going too high but not bad. metallica why is that looking for trouble?

 

[serge]

i think your asking for trouble.

exactly why is he asking for trouble? HPTA will take time to recover, no doubt; the cycle itself is not toxic.

"Aromasin will be used 6 weeks before the show, along with the Primobolan and the Testex to get really hard. I´m now in week 8 and gained 10 pounds of quality muscle so far and I can feel the deca kicking in now. Just used HCG (1500 IU´s spread over a week) to get my balls back to size. Massive Clomid therapy will follow, as well as a very long time off.
Blood work just got done, everythings allright, except liver enzymes being a bit high, but nothing to worry about.

My stats: 210 pounds, 6´2", 9%BF, been lifting for 6 years now, 23 years old.

Any suggestions? Criticism? I would like to use Winny in the weeks before the contest, but my liver values tell me to use Primo along with some test and Aromasin instead.
Good cycle or health hazard, what do you guys think?

gainerxxl"

when are you doing a show???

 

[boss]

That is a bit much; how many cycles have you done? Its also a bit long IMO

well then i guess my next 6 month cycle is a bit long too...........

 

[gainerxxl]

My show is going to be end of November, i´ll be in week 20 by then, and hopefully ripped.
I´ve done three cycles before (Primo/Russians, Sust only, Sust and Winny). I know 20 weeks is pushing it, but I believe in long cycles and I know that my HTPA will take a long time to recover.

@boss: I thought about knocking out the testex in the end myself, but I´m afraid 300mg of Primo won´t be enough to get in contest shape. I planned on using Aromasin at 25mg eod, which should take care of any water retention. I don´t seem to hold any water anyways, I´m on test and used d-bol without any anti-E´s but still stayed hard and vascular.

Can anybody tell me if one tab of Aromasin EOD will be sufficient to suppress aromatase at only 250mg test/week? Any Experiences with Exemestane?

 

[serge]

My show is going to be end of November, i´ll be in week 20 by then, and hopefully ripped.
I´ve done three cycles before (Primo/Russians, Sust only, Sust and Winny). I know 20 weeks is pushing it, but I believe in long cycles and I know that my HTPA will take a long time to recover.

@boss: I thought about knocking out the testex in the end myself, but I´m afraid 300mg of Primo won´t be enough to get in contest shape. I planned on using Aromasin at 25mg eod, which should take care of any water retention. I don´t seem to hold any water anyways, I´m on test and used d-bol without any anti-E´s but still stayed hard and vascular.

Can anybody tell me if one tab of Aromasin EOD will be sufficient to suppress aromatase at only 250mg test/week? Any Experiences with Exemestane?

what weight are you shooting for, what kind of a show? i would take more time to put on some REAL mass before throwing down on stage, no offence but at your current stats i smell a BLOW-OUT COMING

 

[gainerxxl]

@serge: I plan on hitting the stage at about 200 pounds, at 6% BF. It´s really amateur-level, I looked at the guys who competed last year and I think I´m already looking better now. It´s only a qualifiying contest, and I hope to qualify for the west german championship, which is one week later.
My chest sucks, but I have nice arms, and my abs are outstanding, as everyone keeps assuring me. My shoulder and waist ratio is pretty good, too.
In the US competition is much harder, there´s so many great bodybuilders I wouldn´t have a chance, but I think a can place good here in Germany.

Got any info about aromasin? Nobody over here has used it yet, I´m a pioneer at that. Is ist good stuff, or should I get some Arimidex (fucking expensive, 30 Tabs= $140)?

 

[serge]

@serge: I plan on hitting the stage at about 200 pounds, at 6% BF. It´s really amateur-level, I looked at the guys who competed last year and I think I´m already looking better now. It´s only a qualifiying contest, and I hope to qualify for the west german championship, which is one week later.
My chest sucks, but I have nice arms, and my abs are outstanding, as everyone keeps assuring me. My shoulder and waist ratio is pretty good, too.
In the US competition is much harder, there´s so many great bodybuilders I wouldn´t have a chance, but I think a can place good here in Germany.

Got any info about aromasin? Nobody over here has used it yet, I´m a pioneer at that. Is ist good stuff, or should I get some Arimidex (fucking expensive, 30 Tabs= $140)?

what are you paying for aromasin? i feel generic femera is the way to go, its better the arimidex. as far as aromasin i really dont know any1 who used it yet, so would not be able to recomend a dose. i do beleave femera would get the job done very very well tough

 

[B-legit]

bro,
im finishing up my 22 week cycle as we speak. Im only 20 years old. My show is on Nov. 2nd.

i did
week 1-10 750mg test
week 1-6 30-50mg dbol
week 1-10 300 mg deca

week 13-22 250mg test
week 13-22 400mg eq
week 16-22 50mg winny ed and 75mg fina ed.

 

[Dr.Big]

not shure about looking for trouble thing I belive in low dose and all but this is way less than most of the people an this bord say they use. I would use fina and primo at the end

 

[Greek Freak]

Too long, your def. asking for trouble. Lowering the doses wont change that, you will stop gaining after a few weeks if your barely taking anything, you flood your receptors and then just waste your money.

 

[gainerxxl]

barely anything? I don´t want to do overdo it, it´s my fourth cycle and my gains are quite substantial so far, and I really feel the deca is going to work quite well. Higher dosages always cause stronger side-effects, which i´m not a fan of. I might keep the test at 500mg until week 16 though, since I got enough left.

B-legits cycle, that´s asking for trouble, especially at only 20 years, if you ask me. But I´d use fina too, if it was available here, but no way. IP is pushing his crap onto the european market, but I don´t even touch stuff like that.

@serge: I paid 2.50 Euro for a tab of generic Aromasin ($2.20), I can get generic letrozole for a bit less, but from what I´ve found on the net, Aromasin is king of the new anti-E´s.

 

[SofaGeorge]

I'm 9 months into my current cycle with no plans to go off for 4-6 more months.

The people who tell you this is too long have no actual experience with long cycles. They are simply parroting what they have read.

Six month and year long cycles are NO different than 8 week cycles.

 

[gainerxxl]

Thanks Sofa George, you confirm what an endocrinologist at my department told me. He said that once you fucked up your HTPA it will take at least 6 months to recover, sometimes longer. Since a 10 week, high dose androgenic cycle completely suppresses your own test( he also assured me of that), the whole time on=time off thing seems like complete bogus to me. There´s no way you restore HTPA within 10 weeks in between the cycles, so why not cycle 20 weeks and take a long time off after that?

 

[gainerxxl]

Nobody has used aromasin yet? Common, it´s not THAT new.

 

[serge]

@serge: I paid 2.50 Euro for a tab of generic Aromasin ($2.20), I can get generic letrozole for a bit less, but from what I´ve found on the net, Aromasin is king of the new anti-E´s.

i was looking into some info on aromasin and was able to find some very limited info from bros that experimented with it, the dose recomended for optimum results seems to be in the range of 100-200mg/ed which makes it kinda expensive to use. but again i have to experience with it, and that was "anecdotal" info from a couple of guyz that used it

 

[cbeaks]

i was looking into some info on aromasin and was able to find some very limited info from bros that experimented with it, the dose recomended for optimum results seems to be in the range of 100-200mg/ed which makes it kinda expensive to use. but again i have to experience with it, and that was "anecdotal" info from a couple of guyz that used it

I have been taking aromasin for about 6 months. I only take one 25mg pill per day. I am prone to gyno and it seems to work for me better than 1mg of arimidex everyday. - cbeaks

 

[SofaGeorge]

sofa come on...your my bro in all but do you really mean to tell me that pounding your liver for 6 months is the same as 8 weeks?

Also can you honestly say that you are getting the same results off the same amount of gear 6 months into a cycle?

I rotate the juice. I do the test/d-bol/fina type stuff usually for about 8 weeks... milder anabolics like EQ/deca etc... for 10-12 weeks. Anybody who pounds their liver with anadrol for a year on end is just asking for trouble.

I constantly rotate... and never too long on the harsh stuff.

You definitely don't see the 20 lbs gains between week 12 and week 20... but you stabilize nicely.

I'm in a holding pattern at 205 lbs right now with very low b/f. This is the smallest I've been in years and years... but it has been great to cut the b/f down so low.

 

[gainerxxl]

Thanks for the info on Aromasin, I´ll give it a try, if it doesn´t work properly I just drop the test and get myself some winny to go with the Primobolan.
BTW: What´s the price of that liquidex stuff (80mg of anastrazole, right?)? I´m thinking about getting some, but I don´t know about the fucking german customs, they seized enough of my stuff. How big is that bottle, does it fit into an envelope?

 

[serge]

I have been taking aromasin for about 6 months. I only take one 25mg pill per day. I am prone to gyno and it seems to work for me better than 1mg of arimidex everyday. - cbeaks

i honestly could care less about getting gyno as im not prone, im interested in completely stoping aromatization, to eliminated water retension from say running 1g of test and dbol........

 

[drveejay11]

I rotate the juice. I do the test/d-bol/fina type stuff usually for about 8 weeks... milder anabolics like EQ/deca etc... for 10-12 weeks. Anybody who pounds their liver with anadrol for a year on end is just asking for trouble.

I constantly rotate... and never too long on the harsh stuff.

You definitely don't see the 20 lbs gains between week 12 and week 20... but you stabilize nicely.

I'm in a holding pattern at 205 lbs right now with very low b/f. This is the smallest I've been in years and years... but it has been great to cut the b/f down so low.

sounds about right

 

[serge]

Thanks for the info on Aromasin, I´ll give it a try, if it doesn´t work properly I just drop the test and get myself some winny to go with the Primobolan.
BTW: What´s the price of that liquidex stuff (80mg of anastrazole, right?)? I´m thinking about getting some, but I don´t know about the fucking german customs, they seized enough of my stuff. How big is that bottle, does it fit into an envelope?

bor, aromasin will go much further then liquidex, needless to say with your cycle it will do the trick since you are only running a modest dose of test with it