My 1st cycle Opinions

[Ezekiel]

ok.. This going to be my 1st cycle: Any opinions? ... lol ( I know there will be)

Week Testosterone Cypionate Dianabol
1 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
2 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
3 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
4 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
5 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
6 500 mg / per week
7 500 mg / per week
8 500 mg / per week
9 500 mg / per week
10 500 mg / per week
11 500 mg / per week
12 500 mg / per week

PCT.

week: 12-14 150 mg/day of clomid
week: 15-16 50 mg/day of clomid
week: 12-16 40 mg/day nolvadex

Should I keep some Arimidex or Letrozole on hand as well? If so, when will I know to use it or how much. Will I need it?

**I realize (thx to some very appreciated advice) that PCT should always include HCG. However, it seems next to impossible to get it shipped to Canada unless I want to paay big $$$

I am a noob to be gentle

 

[holy ghost]

looks good !

 

[st8grad]

If you can't get HCG then maybe running Aromasin PCT instead might be beneficial. I would cut way back on that clomid if you are going to run it. 25-50mgs per day plus 20 mgs per day of tamoxifen should be good.

Since you can get HCG check out Primordial Performance for their products. Supposedly good stuff for PCT.

ok.. This going to be my 1st cycle: Any opinions? ... lol ( I know there will be)

Week Testosterone Cypionate Dianabol
1 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
2 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
3 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
4 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
5 500 mg / per week 25 mg / per day
6 500 mg / per week
7 500 mg / per week
8 500 mg / per week
9 500 mg / per week
10 500 mg / per week
11 500 mg / per week
12 500 mg / per week

PCT - post cycle therapy - .

week: 12-14 150 mg/day of clomid
week: 15-16 50 mg/day of clomid
week: 12-16 40 mg/day nolvadex

Should I keep some Arimidex or Letrozole on hand as well? If so, when will I know to use it or how much. Will I need it?

**I realize (thx to some very appreciated advice) that PCT should always include HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . However, it seems next to impossible to get it shipped to Canada unless I want to paay big $$$

I am a noob to be gentle

 

[Ezekiel]

If you can't get HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - then maybe running Aromasin PCT - post cycle therapy - instead might be beneficial. I would cut way back on that clomid if you are going to run it. 25-50mgs per day plus 20 mgs per day of tamoxifen should be good.

Since you can get HCG check out Primordial Performance for their products. Supposedly good stuff for PCT.

You think I should just do 25-50mgs of the clomid and 20 of the Nolv. everydday for 4 weeks?

Any input on the Arimidex or Letrozole?

 

[Ezekiel]

bump

 

[Faizakafez]

you could run armidex .5mg ed through your cycle or use letro .5-1mg ed through your cycle....

 

[stressman13]

50mg of clomid a day for 3 weeks is fine. Save the rest for a future PCT, 150 a day is asking for sides. I'd run a little bit of AI throughout. 1 or 2 sprays of AIFM a day or a little adex is good. dont over do it.

 

[lilj888]

deffiently keep armidex and letro on hand but only use it for gyno or other bad estrogen effects

 

[hyp1]

I would cut the clomid back to 50mgs a day and run it for only 30 days but run the nolvadex @25mgs a day for the same duration

I believe you would keep more of your gains if you threw in HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - @500ius for 10 days straight also at the very beginning of your post cycle therapy

have arimidex on hand if you start having water retention,otherwise there's no reason to use it all imo

besides those things your cycle looks good

 

[needtogetaas]

If you can't get HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - then maybe running Aromasin PCT - post cycle therapy - instead might be beneficial. I would cut way back on that clomid if you are going to run it. 25-50mgs per day plus 20 mgs per day of tamoxifen should be good.

Since you can get HCG check out Primordial Performance for their products. Supposedly good stuff for PCT.

no shit hcg is getting so hard to get and its so vital to a cycle imo

 

[Ezekiel]

no shit HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - is getting so hard to get and its so vital to a cycle imo

Well.. at least in Canuckistan it is!

Thank you everyone for your advice. Special thx to Hyp1 who has been very helpful and patient w/ me.

As it turns out I only live 20 min from the US so I am going to get my HCG shipped to an American Address (Friend) and then go pick it up.

have arimidex on hand if you start having water retention,otherwise there's no reason to use it all imo

How much arimidex and if I have lots O' bloat or? Will this help w/ sore nips if that happens too?

 

[needtogetaas]

Well.. at least in Canuckistan it is!

Thank you everyone for your advice. Special thx to Hyp1 who has been very helpful and patient w/ me.

As it turns out I only live 20 min from the US so I am going to get my HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - shipped to an American Address (Friend) and then go pick it up.



How much arimidex and if I have lots O' bloat or? Will this help w/ sore nips if that happens too?

good shit bro hcg is very important for pct.

 

[hyp1]

Well.. at least in Canuckistan it is!

Thank you everyone for your advice. Special thx to Hyp1 who has been very helpful and patient w/ me.

anytime bro,glad I could be of help

 

[stressman13]

I would cut the clomid back to 50mgs a day and run it for only 30 days but run the nolvadex @25mgs a day for the same duration

I believe you would keep more of your gains if you threw in HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - @500ius for 10 days straight also at the very beginning of your post cycle therapy

have arimidex on hand if you start having water retention,otherwise there's no reason to use it all imo

besides those things your cycle looks good

wrong bro. There are other estrogen related sides that occur other then water retention dude. Balanced hormone levels will also help combat other E related sides (moods, hairloss, acne etc). Using water rentention as your sole indicator of Estrogen level is a mistake. Some people just aren't prone to it like some aren't prone to gyno, regardless of how out of wack there E level is. At 500mg it wouldnt be that pronounced but hed have a better cycle if he ran at least a little aromatase inhibitor. This sounds like another "my boy told me xxx...." piece of advice. And for such a mild cycle why bother with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and clmoid especially if he has an aromatase inhibitor on hand?!? The only advantage to running the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - with the clomid is to keep E in check and your aromatase inhibitor already does this. Two serms arent needed for that cycle or any cycle for that matter. Too many "bros" start blowin someone on here who has a clue and think all of sudden they do. Intelligence isn't spread through semen. Sorry "bro".

 

[stressman13]

anytime bro,glad I could be of help

too bad it wasn't the best help, but then again i guess it could have been worse. no flame...im just disagreeing

 

[hyp1]

wrong bro. There are other estrogen related sides that occur other then water retention dude. Balanced hormone levels will also help combat other E related sides (moods, hairloss, acne etc). Using water rentention as your sole indicator of Estrogen level is a mistake. Some people just aren't prone to it like some aren't prone to gynecomastia, regardless of how out of wack there E level is. At 500mg it wouldnt be that pronounced but hed have a better cycle if he ran at least a little aromatase inhibitor. This sounds like another "my boy told me xxx...." piece of advice. And for such a mild cycle why bother with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and clmoid especially if he has an aromatase inhibitor on hand?!? The only advantage to running the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - with the clomid is to keep E in check and your aromatase inhibitor already does this. Two serms arent needed for that cycle or any cycle for that matter. Too many "bros" start blowin someone on here who has a clue and think all of sudden they do. Intelligence isn't spread through semen. Sorry "bro".

do your fucking research shit for brains before you stick your foot in your fucking mouth again.


2. Nolvadex: - throughout steroid cycle 10-20mg/day (depends on the cycle)
As PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - (together with Clomid) - 20-40mg/day for 2-4 weeks (depends on cycle)

As PCT (without clomid): Starting at 40 mg and tapering to 20 over 4 weeks will boost natural testosterone and help you retain gains.

3. Clomid(Clomiphene Citrate): 2-3 weeks of clomid 50mg/day

http://www.trainwiser.com/48/853-post-cycle-therapy-pct.html
I don't agree with their recommendations on hcg though admittedly
btw
the best part of you ran down your mothers fucking leg.

and btw the fucking way using anti estrogens when they're not needed can lead to seriously dry and painful fucking joints

 

[MichaelScott]

hype has more knowledge in his shrunken rt nut than ull ever have cheese dick at least hype has accurate facts

 

[youngbuck22]

Well.. at least in Canuckistan it is!

Thank you everyone for your advice. Special thx to Hyp1 who has been very helpful and patient w/ me.

As it turns out I only live 20 min from the US so I am going to get my HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - shipped to an American Address (Friend) and then go pick it up.



How much arimidex and if I have lots O' bloat or? Will this help w/ sore nips if that happens too?

cycle looks good. you finally got a hold of some test?! good shitt

 

[stressman13]

do your fucking research shit for brains before you stick your foot in your fucking mouth again.


2. Nolvadex: - throughout steroid cycle 10-20mg/day (depends on the cycle)
As PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - (together with Clomid) - 20-40mg/day for 2-4 weeks (depends on cycle)

As PCT (without clomid): Starting at 40 mg and tapering to 20 over 4 weeks will boost natural testosterone and help you retain gains.

3. Clomid(Clomiphene Citrate): 2-3 weeks of clomid 50mg/day

http://www.trainwiser.com/48/853-post-cycle-therapy-PCT - post cycle therapy - .html
I don't agree with their recommendations on hcg though admittedly
btw
the best part of you ran down your mothers fucking leg.

and btw the fucking way using anti estrogens when they're not needed can lead to seriously dry and painful fucking joints

Sure OVER use of an ai will cause dry joints, no shit. I sure didnt stick my foot in my mouth. Tell me again why one would wanna use 2 serms again? for 500 of test? Clomid, HCG and low dose ai is fine. He can even use the nolva in place of the clomid, but both is needless. Why the fuck would he spend more money and add another substance to his body when it isnt needed?? Your douchy on your best day, and you douche on your worst.

 

[stressman13]

hype has more knowledge in his shrunken rt nut than ull ever have cheese dick at least hype has accurate facts

see what im saying here about blowing each other. Tell me why using 2 serms for that cycle or any one and why using an AI ONLY in the case of water retention is a good idea? im not going to have an internet brawl here, im just saying i think that advice is shitty. and i stated why. by the way, theres conflicting studies and profiles of everything all over the net. get with it bro.

 

[stressman13]

see what im saying here about blowing each other. Tell me why using 2 serms for that cycle or any one and why using an aromatase inhibitor ONLY in the case of water retention is a good idea? im not going to have an internet brawl here, im just saying i think that advice is shitty. and i stated why. by the way, theres conflicting studies and profiles of everything all over the net. get with it bro.

hahahah....im bombed...oh no..this place gets shittier every day. The message was "Hype is the man". Some of you guys are wack as hell, the purpose of this forum is to get different ideas from different people. Not form internet "gangs". I suddenly remember why i stop frequenting this forum in favor of another. Wheres a mod when u need one.

 

[hyp1]

Sure OVER use of an aromatase inhibitor will cause dry joints, no shit. I sure didnt stick my foot in my mouth. Tell me again why one would wanna use 2 serms again? for 500 of test? Clomid, HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and low dose ai is fine. He can even use the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - in place of the clomid, but both is needless. Why the fuck would he spend more money and add another substance to his body when it isnt needed?? Your douchy on your best day, and you douche on your worst.

to jump start fucking testosterone production in combination with the hcg shit for brains.SERMS block the affect of estrogen at the hypothalamus and since estrogen is highly inhibitory this blocking affect allows for greater LH production. This "greater LH production" strongly stimulates the testes to produce testosterone.

you're a goddamned pussy that overdoses on aromatase inhibitors convincing yourself that you have estrogen imbalances when in reality you're just pissing money away and drying your joints the fuck out.

 

[stressman13]

to jump start fucking testosterone production in combination with the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - shit for brains.SERMS block the affect of estrogen at the hypothalamus and since estrogen is highly inhibitory this blocking affect allows for greater lh - leutenizing hormone - production. This "greater LH production" strongly stimulates the testes to produce testosterone.

you're a goddamned pussy that overdoses on aromatase inhibitors convincing yourself that you have estrogen imbalances when in reality you're just pissing money away and drying your joints the fuck out.

Dude...your not listening to a word im saying. Overdosing ai is a bad idea but its sole using is not for combating water retention. There are other sides that occur from high estrogen. And clomid already does what the nolva does in terms of "jumpstarting" test. Your calling me a pussy because Im disagreeing with you, pretty cool bro. whatever.

 

[MichaelScott]

im just taking offense to the blowing statement, he's my bro i'll fight for my bro's,i'll be honest i didnt even read any of the posts lololol

 

[stressman13]

im just taking offense to the blowing statement, he's my bro i'll fight for my bro's

brotastic!

 

[MichaelScott]

i bet my avi could kick your ass, prolly not lolololol

 

[hyp1]

Dude...your not listening to a word im saying. Overdosing aromatase inhibitor is a bad idea but its sole using is not for combating water retention. There are other sides that occur from high estrogen. And clomid already does what the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - does in terms of "jumpstarting" test. Your calling me a pussy because Im disagreeing with you, pretty cool bro. whatever.

you insulted me first dickbreath,so don't get pissy with me you little cunt.

you're fucking recommending running an aromatase inhibitor just for the fuck of it,without experiencing the slightest signs of sides at all from high estrogen levels.no acne,no hair loss,no acne,no mood changes,no gynecomastia.....just run the shit without knowing that you're needing it all.when that shit isn't needed it can have fucked up results on your goddamned joints bro

yeah,we are disagreeing ya pussy.........LOL
we will have to agree to disagree

 

[stressman13]

brotastic!

Listen, you didn't read my posts and are just fucking around fine. I fuck around sometimes on here too. And i was agreeing that overusing an AI is counterproductive. But thinking water rentention is the only side your preventing when u use an AI is fucking retarded. As is the notion that you need 2 serms to "jumpstart" test. I like clomid better, but you can use nolva as your serm in stead. Ive used both with success. But the only point of running nolva with clmoid would be to deal with excess e, which using an ai throughout would already have solved and been more useful in the process as nolva doesnt do that much for water retention.

 

[hyp1]

Listen, you didn't read my posts and are just fucking around fine. I fuck around sometimes on here too. And i was agreeing that overusing an aromatase inhibitor is counterproductive. But thinking water rentention is the only side your preventing when u use an aromatase inhibitor is fucking retarded. As is the notion that you need 2 serms to "jumpstart" test. I like clomid better, but you can use Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - as your selective estrogen receptor modulator in stead. Ive used both with success. But the only point of running Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - with clmoid would be to deal with excess e, which using an ai throughout would already have solved and been more useful in the process as Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - doesnt do that much for water retention.

I actually don't give a fuck what you've used....and personally I don't give a flying fuck if you use ai's till your fucking joints snap off.to automatically tell someone to use an ai when it's undetermined whether they will need one or not is fucking retarded.I would say have one on hand in case you run into any issues.

btw I never said nolvadex solved water retention issues,asshole........but it's effective when used with hcg for kick starting testosterone production

Some users like to use both Clomid and Nolvadex in their PCT in an attempt to cover all angles. An example of the dosages involved might be:

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

Of course, the examples provided are not set in stone and may be adjusted depending on the factors outlined above and individual variances
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp

talk out your ass some more sparky,so I can laugh at you

 

[stressman13]

you insulted me first dickbreath,so don't get pissy with me you little cunt.

you're fucking recommending running an aromatase inhibitor just for the fuck of it,without experiencing the slightest signs of sides at all from high estrogen levels.no acne,no hair loss,no acne,no mood changes,no gynecomastia.....just run the shit without knowing that you're needing it all.when that shit isn't needed it can have fucked up results on your goddamned joints bro

yeah,we are disagreeing ya pussy.........LOL
we will have to agree to disagree

Fine dude. believe what you want. Its possible to have high estrogen and not be bloated. Or experience any visible sides. Using a LOW DOSE ai as a preventative measure will cause no harm and possibly a lot of help. No one mentioned over dosing on AIs except you. Youll have a better cycle overall with balanced hormones. and honestly man, calling someone a pussy on an internet forum is pretty retarded. I would assume your fuckin around, but that new guy needed advice and acting as if your point of view is the only way to go is pretty fuckin ignorant. Speaking about running shit and not knowing that your needing it, why would one run 2 serms again? pointless.

 

[stressman13]

I actually don't give a fuck what you've used....and personally I don't give a flying fuck if you use aromatase inhibitor's till your fucking joints snap off.to automatically tell someone to use an ai when it's undetermined whether they will need one or not is fucking retarded.I would say have one on hand in case you run into any issues.

btw I never said nolvadex solved water retention issues,asshole........but it's effective when used with HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - for kick starting testosterone production

Some users like to use both Clomid and Nolvadex in their PCT - post cycle therapy - in an attempt to cover all angles. An example of the dosages involved might be:

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

Of course, the examples provided are not set in stone and may be adjusted depending on the factors outlined above and individual variances
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - .asp

talk out your ass some more sparky,so I can laugh at you

Your making me laugh man. keep cutting and pasting. you can find 1000 different ways to do things all over the net. And 200mg of clomid what the fuck?!?!? WHY????? dude seriosuly what the fuck are you doing. No need to front load clomid, only thing that does is increase sides from it. Jesus christ wheres a mod. and bro...please.....listen to me....you can have high estrogen without having visible symptoms. Running a LOW DOSE of an AI can only help you. fuck bro, people run a low dose of AI sometimes while off cycle. .25 of adex a ed or eod will NOT dry anyones joints out. what the fuck are you talking about.

 

[Ezekiel]

Holy Mother Of God!! Talk about Roid Rage ....... lol JK

Hence the name "stressman" lol Thx for your advice. However.... I in the process of finishing up my "Hyp1 nut-hugger" website because he has been crazy helpful! Guess you don't want to be a mod on the new site eh?

Just having fun. Like the Good Book says "Iron Sharpens Iron".

If I may digress; How much Arimidex & for how long "if" I am experiencing "bloat or sore nips or hair loss or acne or..."

Thx.

 

[hyp1]

Fine dude. believe what you want. Its possible to have high estrogen and not be bloated. Or experience any visible sides. Using a LOW DOSE aromatase inhibitor as a preventative measure will cause no harm and possibly a lot of help. No one mentioned over dosing on AIs except you. Youll have a better cycle overall with balanced hormones. and honestly man, calling someone a pussy on an internet forum is pretty retarded. I would assume your fuckin around, but that new guy needed advice and acting as if your point of view is the only way to go is pretty fuckin ignorant. Speaking about running shit and not knowing that your needing it, why would one run 2 serms again? pointless.

Intelligence isn't spread through semen. Sorry "bro".

too bad it wasn't the best help, but then again i guess it could have been worse. no flame...im just disagreeing

you've got a cowardly way of 'disagreeing'

I called you a pussy because you said stated that I would.......so I fucking obliged your request,with a huge fucking smile on my face.

if an aromatase inhibitor isn't needed it will have an adverse effect,and you fucking know that as well as I do....keep telling yourself that it won't to keep yourself happy.

you're the motherfucker that is acting as if your point of view is the only way to go and being really fuckin ignorant

 

[stressman13]

Holy Mother Of God!! Talk about Roid Rage ....... lol JK

Hence the name "stressman" lol Thx for your advice. However.... I in the process of finishing up my "Hyp1 nut-hugger" website because he has been crazy helpful! Guess you don't want to be a mod on the new site eh?

Just having fun. Like the Good Book says "Iron Sharpens Iron".

If I may digress; How much Arimidex & for how long "if" I am experiencing "bloat or sore nips or hair loss or acne or..."

Thx.

If your having sore nips id go with .5-1mg a day of the adex until it subsides, and then .25 day after. If your just going to use it for preventative meaures without any existing gyno symptons or excess water retention, you can start with .25 eod and see how that works for you, increasing as needed. and obviously if you notice a loss of sex drive and dry joints your over doing it but thats highly unlikely at a low dose. Personally, I use AIFM, at one spray a day to start with great success. It also increases free test and sex drive to a degree. I like it, its good shit. Its similar to aromasin.

 

[stressman13]

you've got a cowardly way of 'disagreeing'

I called you a pussy because you said stated that I would.......so I fucking obliged your request,with a huge fucking smile on my face.

if an aromatase inhibitor isn't needed it will have an adverse effect,and you fucking know that as well as I do....keep telling yourself that it won't to keep yourself happy.

you're the motherfucker that is acting as if your point of view is the only way to go and being really fuckin ignorant

i never said pussy bro. How do you know for sure of an aromatase inhibitor isnt needed if estrogen can be high without visible symptoms in some cases? And running a low dose will not do what you said. In fact you can run a low dose aromatase inhibitor off cycle with some benefit. Obviously, overdoing will have adverse affects. Overdoing it with aspirin can have adverse affects too. this is a really stupid argument. Theres more benefit then harm to running a preventative dose of an aromatase inhibitor for a newbie. In fact doctors often prescribe a low dose aromatase inhibitor with HRT, which is dosed way lower then we dose test for building muscle. The key is to keep the dose LOW and adjust as needed. how hard is that to follow?!?

 

[stressman13]

you've got a cowardly way of 'disagreeing'

I called you a pussy because you said stated that I would.......so I fucking obliged your request,with a huge fucking smile on my face.

That smile is pretty useless considering we are conducting this discussion online. u jackoff.

 

[hyp1]

i never said pussy bro.

you've got the memory of a fucking lab rat on crack bro,LOL

Your calling me a pussy because Im disagreeing with you, pretty cool bro. whatever.

this arguement is petty as fuck imo,but as you want it dragged out by all means...........LOL

an ai when not needed can hinder gains
I guess because I've seen from numerous sources that anti-e's can limit gains to a degree.also,if it's a mass cycle,why worry about a little fat or water as they only help to support muscle gains anyway.if you do notice symptoms of gyno and start an anti-e immediately as I've said keep the shit on hand just in case.

 

[stressman13]

you've got the memory of a fucking lab rat on crack bro,LOL



this arguement is petty as fuck imo,but as you want it dragged out by all means...........LOL

an aromatase inhibitor when not needed can hinder gains
I guess because I've seen from numerous sources that anti-e's can limit gains to a degree.also,if it's a mass cycle,why worry about a little fat or water as they only help to support muscle gains anyway.if you do notice symptoms of gynecomastia and start an anti-e immediately as I've said keep the shit on hand just in case.

I agree its petty and already dragged out. and like i said, theres other negative sides that occur from high e other then water retention. you just dont seem to understand that. Why wait till his libido falls out from under him to start an aromatase inhibitor, when a low dose of something weak like Arimidex - anastrozole - will have no noticeable impact on his gains and prevent this from even happening in the first place? This was just addressed and agreed with by some vets on another thread. Water retention also increases BP. Some is fine, but excess isnt a good thing.

 

[needtogetaas]

wtf is the fighting about now yes if you dont need a ai dont take it but for the people that need it take it at as low as a dose you can take it at.thats pretty dame simple ant it wtf is there a reason to fight about.

 

[stressman13]

wtf is the fighting about now yes if you dont need a aromatase inhibitor dont take it but for the people that need it take it at as low as a dose you can take it at.thats pretty dame simple ant it wtf is there a reason to fight about.

Would you recommend a newbie to include a low dose of an aromatase inhibitor to start with? A low dose of something weak would not impact gains anything noticeable. Its a good move. This guys acting like its the worst idea ever and unheard of. What good is peace on a juice forum if accurate advice is not given out?!? I'd rather get useful information and everyone hate each other, then we have all peace and love and the wrong info. As stated earlier, no need for 2 serms in PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . no need for Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - with clomid, especially if you already using an aromatase inhibitor to control Estro. This place shouldnt be a "hang out" first and foremost. Thats what the C&C forum is for. This is part of the reason why i dont pay for a platinum membership anymore. Most newbies are on here for information and guidance, not to meet " good bros". Im not tryin to be a dick here, but cursing someone off for disagreeing with "my good bro" is pretty shitty. period. Its especially shitty when i provided reasoning as to why I disagreed and his reason was because I was a pussy. Then he cut and pasted some shitty PCT protocol that recommended frontloading with clomid at 200mg. Horrible advice. fuk that shit.

 

[needtogetaas]

Would you recommend a newbie to include a low dose of an aromatase inhibitor to start with? A low dose of something weak would not impact gains anything noticeable. Its a good move. This guys acting like its the worst idea ever and unheard of. What good is peace on a juice forum if accurate advice is not given out?!? I'd rather get useful information and everyone hate each other, then we have all peace and love and the wrong info. As stated earlier, no need for 2 serms in PCT - post cycle therapy - . no need for Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - with clomid, especially if you already using an aromatase inhibitor to control Estro. This place shouldnt be a "hang out" first and foremost. Thats what the C&C forum is for. This is part of the reason why i dont pay for a platinum membership anymore. Most newbies are on here for information and guidance, not to meet " good bros".

imo yes a ai should always be used as a newb.should that ai be clomid or nolva on cycle hell fucking no. there serums and are for pct not on cycle imo and if you ask me dermacrin sustain takes there place for pct and dose a way better job....you are right in what you say....

I think a newb should have all the ai's he needs on hand before a cycle.yes he should try to not use them but have then on hand.prob even just say fuck it and use a low does any way to start.he is not going to notice a huge deference and the benefits will far far out why the tiny bit of lose to gains he might get from it.

 

[needtogetaas]

but I also feel far to many people are over using ai's pn cycle.every person needs to find waht works for them best.the least amount of ai's that works is always best..

 

[stressman13]

imo yes a aromatase inhibitor should always be used as a newb.should that aromatase inhibitor be clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - on cycle hell fucking no. there serums and are for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - not on cycle imo and if you ask me dermacrin sustain takes there place for PCT - post cycle therapy - and dose a way better job....you are right in what you say....

I think a newb should have all the aromatase inhibitor's he needs on hand before a cycle.yes he should try to not use them but have then on hand.prob even just say fuck it and use a low does any way to start.he is not going to notice a huge deference and the benefits will far far out why the tiny bit of lose to gains he might get from it.

I was talking about using serms for PCT. I was saying only one is really only needed. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - or clomid. unless you are using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for e control, but if you have an ai in there, then its not needed. Agreed on the ai. low dose or as needed. over doing it hurts you. you need some e in your body. Ive never used derma for PCT but am coming off a pretty good cycle in about 5-6 weeks am am considering trying it. I want to keep as much as possible and recover as quickly as possible, been hearing good things.

 

[hyp1]

but I also feel far to many people are over using aromatase inhibitor's pn cycle.every person needs to find waht works for them best.the least amount of ai's that works is always best..

well stated bro,as I've always said keep the shit on hand just in case

 

[needtogetaas]

I was talking about using serms for PCT - post cycle therapy - . I was saying only one is really only needed. Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - or clomid. unless you are using Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for e control, but if you have an aromatase inhibitor in there, then its not needed. Agreed on the ai. low dose or as needed. over doing it hurts you. you need some e in your body. Ive never used derma for PCT but am coming off a pretty good cycle in about 5-6 weeks am am considering trying it. I want to keep as much as possible and recover as quickly as possible, been hearing good things.

bro any one that has tried dermcrin sustain has nothing but good to say about it...you feel so much better then using clomid its just no comparison at all.

 

[MichaelScott]

this was what i did, now that we are all rational, i bought aifm, nolva, clomid, and cycle ok. started cycle, felt a little bloated took aifm for a few days until it gone, started getting minor gyno things, erect nips, i took nolva for a few days, knocked it out. i am only taking my cycle and nothing else but the other stuff is avaiable if needed, also for pct i have a clomid plan and a derma sustain plan, all of which i have, so i may do the sustain plan and i may do the clomid plan 14 days after last shot clomid whatever 1ml of ag guys clomid is for 21-28 days, ok. but when i originally started researchinghtis last year, taking nolva and clomid was the pct theory, now it has evolved to derma over clomid. so who the fuck knows, its ur body do whatever the f..u want, just dont come back here crying 6 mos from now about how you have big tits raisin balls, and a noodle dick thank you

 

[stressman13]

well stated bro,as I've always said keep the shit on hand just in case

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one but he also said its good advice for a newb to start with a little bit of AI in there from the beginning. I still feel this is a good practice. either way will not be life or death.

 

[stressman13]

imo yes a aromatase inhibitor should always be used as a newb.

^^^ I like this advice. Preventative measures with no downside.

 

[stressman13]

this was what i did, now that we are all rational, i bought aifm, Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - , clomid, and cycle ok. started cycle, felt a little bloated took aifm for a few days until it gone, started getting minor gynecomastia things, erect nips, i took Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - for a few days, knocked it out. i am only taking my cycle and nothing else but the other stuff is avaiable if needed, also for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - i have a clomid plan and a derma sustain plan, all of which i have, so i may do the sustain plan and i may do the clomid plan 14 days after last shot clomid whatever 1ml of ag guys clomid is for 21-28 days, ok. but when i originally started researchinghtis last year, taking Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and clomid was the PCT - post cycle therapy - theory, now it has evolved to derma over clomid. so who the fuck knows, its ur body do whatever the f..u want, just dont come back here crying 6 mos from now about how you have big tits raisin balls, and a noodle dick thank you

I am probably going to give that derma a try in a few weeks. I put a lot of resources into this last cycle and want to do all i can to keep my gains. Although my last run with clomid, AIFM and HCG was pretty successful.

 

[MichaelScott]

i gots no hcg but i am on a small rookie cycle 500 e wk 10 wk

 

[hyp1]

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one but he also said its good advice for a newb to start with a little bit of aromatase inhibitor in there from the beginning. I still feel this is a good practice. either way will not be life or death.

we will have to agree to disagree.

I guess I'm really fortunate in the fact that I rarely have any estrogen issues on any cycle that I've ran and I've ran quite a few at varying doses and various substances from small to quite large.that's why I'm skeptical about taking an ai's,unless it's really needed.I do believe in keeping all the necessary shit on hand whether I need it or not though,in case any problems do arise.

Does everyone have little or no side effects as I do with androgens?it's entirely possible they don't,but I'm also skeptical of overusing ai's.to each their own I suppose.