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shanedice

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Here is what I am going to try... 155cc Ethanol, 60cc IPM, 25cc Oleic Acid = approx 8oz or 240cc Going to add 10 gram 1-test, put in a spray metered bottle dose similar to "One" maybe start out at a moderate dose and go from there..... What do you guys think,, any suggestions.. Was thinking of adding some aloe vera also not sure just yet.. Have a few days before all the product arrive.......
 
how many miligrams of 1Test will you be applying per day? I'm going to make my own transdermal mix as well w/ Ethenol and IPM, the 3rd ingredient i haven't decided yet. But i was wondering how much 1test should be applied daily.
 
I was thinking about cutting the amount of 1-test back to 6 grams per someones advise.... Then you could take 300mg/day which would be 12cc's 25mg/cc.... This would last approx 18 day's... This would be a little bit more than a couple of teaspoons/day tsp=5cc/5ml.. Just get a sprayer and measure how many spray's = 2 tsp give or take.... I was thinking about cleaning a chloroseptic sprayer out and using that....
 
By the way that is One: Hard-core dosing: 6 squirts, 2X per day. This will last one month.. I am not sure how this will last one month.. I counted up around 18 day's but then again my math suck's.. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.
 
I was just wondering how much did each bottle end up costing? I'm debating whether to make my own transermal, or buy Trenabol-X. Problem w/ T-X is that you don't know what they used in it to help permeate the skin. For all you know it could just be str8 up IPM.
 
There is not enough,, 1-test in tren x for me,, I also got some nordol from kilosports going to make some trans-dermal with that or mix some in with 1-test and add more solution.... I will have enough solution to make quite a few more transdermal solutions.. Going to test this out see how it works... And if all is good. Going to get more bulk of 1-test,, because they will stop the sale of is sooner or later... I think in the long run, it will pay off. Just hope this mix works....
 
Purple_Helmet came up w/ this

60% Isopropyl Alcohol
10% Proplylene Glycol
10% Octyl salicylate
10% Emu Oil (source of oleic and linoleic acid)
5% Glycerol
5% D-limone

this is another proposed formula, just don't know which one would be more effective.
 
Think I am going to go with the original,, and maybe just ad some propylene glycol... Maybe something like this..

60%Ethanol
15%IPM
15%Propylene glycol,
10%Oleic Acid
 
where do u get the propylene glycerol? I'm wondering if it will actually help or not, and the other ingredients i'm debating as well. What do you think?
 
risky,

I have been doing more research and am going to use the original blend..

60%Ethanol
30%IPM
10%Oleic Acid

This basicaly what they use for Finasol transdermal(without the oleic acid) and they get good results... Propylene glycol will make the solution to oily and is not nessacery, it is supposed to be old school techology,, IPM is supposed to be far superior carrier... I am ready to get it all the goodies in and give it a try.. I will let everyone know the results.. I already have people wanting me to make them some, not going to untill I see what happens with me...
 
I'll be making my mix pretty soon after my 1AD cycle. I just need the last two ingredients and found a place on the net that sells both. So it will just be 1 shipping charge, i read too that the glycerol would make it too oily.
 
I would recommend using a low amount of IPM, then test spray an area and see how it dries. I used 40ml of IPM and 200ml of Ethanol...the formula was way to greasy feeling, even an hour later the stuff didn`t dry well.

I think next time I`ll use maybe 10ml of IPM, so it bonds to the skin a little better....like Androspray, if I can make my formula to be similar feeling...that would be the bomb.
 
Travbedaman,, thanks that is good advise,, I test some out before adding the test,,, What did you ad to your solution 1-test or something else? And how is it working as far as results?
 
riskybizz007 said:
I'll be making my mix pretty soon after my 1AD cycle. I just need the last two ingredients and found a place on the net that sells both. So it will just be 1 shipping charge, i read too that the glycerol would make it too oily.
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risky: What site had both ingredients? Thanks...
 
Do you think IPM and oleic acid alone are enough penetration enhancers? What about oxyl salicitate, isn't that stuff important? Avant labs uses that in their's, and it seems to work pretty good.
 
They only use ETOH, IPM in finasol and get very nice results... Ad in some oleic acid should do the trick.... there are many other things that could be added but it may just be overkill or maybe not I will find out.....
 
What is ETOH? What else could be added that would be over kill. Sounds like isopropyl alcohol and IPM are the most important.
 
ETOH= Ethel Alcohol 95%,,,, (everclear),,, I supposed to work better that Iso Alcohol,, dont know why but will take the advise of folk who know much more than myself..... Yeah Ethenol and IPM seem to be the key factors..... The oleic acid is supposed to really give it a kick... Cannot use to much OA due to skin lesions from high concentrations more that 10 to 20%....
 
So not even Isopropyl alcohol is used, but rather:

70% Ethyl alcohol (Everclear)
20% Isopropyl Mystrate
10% Oleic acid

Could you substitute emu oil for oleic acid? That is supposed to be a good penetration enhancer, and it is a source of both lineolic and oleic acids.
 
Where can you find these ingredients? I mean everything other than the everclear. I'm trying to do my own trandermal too. Is there anywhere on the internet, or what store might I find these products?
 
HA! sciencealliance was the website. I was looking for it too as well right now. I had to restart my computer, you can find the IPM from both websites and the oleic acid from science alliance.

I wonder what Pardeus thinks of our transdermal mixes, he's remained kinda quiet. We suggested to him on another board we'd buy his transdermal mix if he was up to selling it and he said he was thinking about it. But if Par does sell hit mix, it would be the best IMO. and you can add what ever ingredient you wished to the mix.
 
Also, what are the differences between:

1. Ethyl Alcohol, Denatured, ACS

2. Ethyl Alcohol, Denatured, 95%

3. Ethyl Alcohol, Denatured, Anhydrous
 
I can't offer the reason b/c i forgot, but i know you're suppossed to use the 95% one and not the denatured, i think it has something to do w/ the effects on the skin where denatured may be kinda harsh on the skin.
 
1. Ethyl Alcohol, Denatured, ACS

2. Ethyl Alcohol, Denatured, 95%

3. Ethyl Alcohol, Denatured, Anhydrous

They are not for human consumption, they have additives... If you were to use any of them the 95% ETOH would work but I would not use it... Good ole everclear we know is good for the body :D And it is 95% ETOH..
 
Dumb question, do you know where to order Everclear? In my state, they only allow 70% everclear to be sold, not the 95%.

Thanks
 
K(same) told me that the 95% Ethel Alco Denatured has acetone mixed with it..... If that is true I dont want that in my body,, I found this out after I already had ordered it.... If it is not true this would make me happy..... It should have a package insert that tells what is in it....
 
I would call to make sure. But i read K(same) post and I thought he said the "denatured" one was bad for you, but the 95% ethyl was fine... I'll have to go back and look... but that's what i remember. If you happen to find out please let me know as well...

lates
 
riskybizz007 said:
Why wouldn't you use the 95% ethyl alcohol. It's suppossed to be 95% ethanol, same thing as everclear.
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That's what I'm wondering, too. It's not like the other 5% would be skin-melting acid. lol!
 
Yeah I will give'em a call,,It was the denatured ETOH k was referring to,,, but that was the only 95% ETOH stuff they had..
 
PosteThe designation "DENATURED" = made non-consumable by the added toxic chemicals and acetone.

The 190 proof (95%) ethanol (ethyl alcohol) does not have added chemicals. The other 5% is water. They achieve this high concentration by double distillation. The remaining 5% of water is too impractical to remove.

posted by K(same)

You should tell K(same) to post here, he's a very knowledgeable guy.
 
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Yeah, what are the benefits of using ethyl alsohol as opposed to isopropyl alcohol? According to Avant's site, both 4A Derm and androsol use isopropyl, while Androspray uses ethyl. I don't know, Par really seems to know his stuff on this subject, and he uses isopropyl. But, then again, Pat Arnold does too and he uses ethyl. Too confusing for this guy, but I am very interested in this discussion. I think I'll stick to Par's products, they're working pretty good. I'm gonna go lift something heavy now :)
 
Ergo uses both Isopropyl Myristate and Ethenol. It's the IPM i think that permeates through the skin. And why use Isopropyl alcohol if you already have it w/ the IPM?
 
What I heard is IPM has the iso in it so you dont need iso alcohol,,,, yeah ergopharm has ethyl and IPM only and I have heard nothing but good... If may be pulling hair out of fly crap for all I now,,,, but some guys that know much more than I are the ones that made the suggestions..
 
riskybizz007 said:
Ergo uses both Isopropyl Myristate and Ethenol. It's the IPM i think that permeates through the skin. And why use Isopropyl alcohol if you already have it w/ the IPM?
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Understandable, but it's difficult to find ethanol. Everclear isn't sold in the state I live in, and online liquor stores won't ship to states that don't sell it. Online chemical companies appear to sell the denatured stuff only.
 
made my first batch

I made my first batch of transdermal today I will call it 1-testasol...I did not get in oleic acid yet so I left it out of this batch... Make 4oz with 4 grams 1-test.... 90% Ethyl 10% IPM,, stuff goes on and dry's without much oilyness at all, in about 5-10 mins...... I have been taking 1 test via oral for a few day now and am very impressed thus far.... My workout today was exceptional,,, I have gained 3lbs without trying,,, I am on a fairly strict diet not really trying to gain weight........ Could get a few more reps out today than normal.... Kinda reminds me of real gear.. oh it is real.... My sex drive is almost none existent need to get some 4ad soon....
 
Wierd thing about the 4AD 1AD i took... when combined them i was popping boners left and right all day. Don't know why... but that's what happened w/ me.
 
Yeah I have heard the 4ad is a good wood producer... I went on a date last night and proformance was sub par.. I never have problems in that area usually cant keep it down... Anyway will have to get some 4ad soon............. Oh yeah dont spray the 1-test on and get close to the ladies or let them kiss your chest,,, she found it to be a negative experience... You live and learn...
 
Just a little update... Today did shoulders,, they got so pumped that they hurt.... I have a heavy tricep day with shoulders, but my damn triceps were so pumped from doing just pushdown and reverse curls that I stoped.... This is the exact same thing that happens to me on anadrol.. test .. or d-bal among the few... Usually I get the serious pumps and about two weeks into the cycle the serious strenght comes on... I may be overdoseing on the 1-test as I am also taking about 300mg via oral with my two daily dose's of transdermal.... I figure my delivery system is not as effective as Pars.. So I will keep this up and see what happens.. I am taking armidex 1mg/d will cut down to .5 mg day tomorrow..and I will be taking clomid at the end to get the nads back so the doseage does not bother me... I am having no side effects except for the decrease libido,,,.... Not loseing hair,, no temper problems.... One very bad thing did happen this mourning,, was putting the transdermal on my thighs and got a little on the nad sack DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT LET THIS STUFF GET ON THE NUT SACK !!!!! I had to call 911 and get a damn fire engine over to blast the 1-test off.... all kidden aside learn from my mistake please.

So far I give this stuff the thumbs up...... hope they dont banned it soon or aleast before I get my next paycheck..

Peace Bro's....
 
2 main reasons that isopropyl is used instead of ethanol

1. its cheaper.. A LOT CHEAPER

2. and probably the reason that more ethical companies still dont use it.. you have to have a handlers license.. which are, apparently, difficult to come by... and not held by most supplement manufacturers (most companies dont make their own stuff)

btw- ethanol is better and less systemically toxic.. just an FYI..
 
macrophage69alpha said:


btw- ethanol is better and less systemically toxic.. just an FYI..
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BTW, macro knows fuck all about transdermal delivery. Isopropyl alcohol is a volatile solvent -- it evaporates within about 1 minute, which is far less time than it takes for it to start being absorbed... just an FYI...
 
:p

isopropyl alcohol, spread thin enough, will evaporate in about a minute... however, IPM and oleic(mentioned though not used in the above formulation) retard the evaporation of Isopropyl Alcohol.)d-limonene probably retards this as well... but its not entirely clear as their is conflicting evidence (matter of contention between the cleaning industry and environmentalists :) )

The amount delivered is likely insignificant.. the question was why ergopharm uses ethanol.. it is because the facility that produces their product has a handler's license. I believe they put up some studies on a site showing the superiority of ethanol to isopropyl in TD (though the % ???).. This is also reflected in many of the studies done by Singh P and Roberts MS

REGARDLESS OF AMOUNT DELIVERED... ethanol is LESS systemically toxic and superior.
 
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macrophage69alpha said:
:p


REGARDLESS OF AMOUNT DELIVERED... ethanol is LESS systemically toxic and superior.
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In finite dosing models, ethanol does not do anything for penetration other than increasing thermodynamic activity by dissolving the active (something isopropyl alcohol also does) because it evaporates so quickly. And, again, in such models, systemic toxicity is a total non-issue because none is delivered systemically.
 
I will never use Isopropyl in a transdermal formula due to Ethanol being much more soluble product. My first batch of Finasol was with 99% isopropyl, a lot of sediment was left on the bottom of the bottle (even after a week). The Ethanol batch had virtually no sediment left in the bottle...and that was after only 3 days.
 
Killer- why the Arimidex?

Why are you using arimidex with 1-test? It doesnt aromatize correct? You dont notice any water from the 1-test at all correct? Just curious- thanks
 
I am stacking with nordiol,,, my right tit is prone to gyno and not taking anychances anymore,, I take arimidex will almost everything... including asprin
 
growin' said:
Yeah, what are the benefits of using ethyl alsohol as opposed to isopropyl alcohol? According to Avant's site, both 4A Derm and androsol use isopropyl, while Androspray uses ethyl. I don't know, Par really seems to know his stuff on this subject, and he uses isopropyl. But, then again, Pat Arnold does too and he uses ethyl. Too confusing for this guy, but I am very interested in this discussion. I think I'll stick to Par's products, they're working pretty good. I'm gonna go lift something heavy now :)
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I have ATF license to buy ethanol. If you don't have license then you gotta use isopropanol instead. This is probably why biotest and avant use isopropanol
 
pa1ad said:



I have ATF license to buy ethanol. If you don't have license then you gotta use isopropanol instead. This is probably why biotest and avant use isopropanol
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But if either of these companies want me to manufacture their sprays for them using ethanol i can do that for them
 
O.K fellas all I can say is "This Shit is the REAL DEAL", I am on a clean diet no way in hell I should be putting on weight,,, I am on day 10,, I have gained roughly 8 lbs,, started off around 220 weighted in today at 228,, at 5'10... I have taking oral and injectable steriods and this prosteriod is doing the same thing.. Have not noticed any signifigant strenght increase yet,,, but I ususally dont untill around week 2-3 on gear,, I expect this is the same since it is real gear.... This stuff will not be on the open market for long I promise you... Time to pull out the ole credit card and get about 40 grams for stock....

How long will this store for ????
 
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Those gains are amazing.

Have you determined the final tally in terms of monetary cost? I'm curious to know how much it takes to make a single batch.
 
I never got the oleic acid so that is not a factor thus far,,


1-test 20g $129
Alcohol 95% 1 liter $13
IPM $6

No more than $165 total....

You could make roughly 60 days worth of transdermal at 300mg/day, and have some left over for oral...

I believe the the transdermal starts to where off in the middle of the day,, say I put 5-6ccs on in at 8 am,, well around 3pm I will take some oral just to help keep up the levels untill I get home later take another shower and put some more on.... This theory should keep the levels from going up and down to much....
 
I hope I get something close to those gains! I just started my first sprays yesterday morning...I only started with 3 grams dissolved into 4 oz of grain alcohol and 6 ml of IPM.
 
You need to ad some more IPM,, need about 20-30%.. I made my originaly with only 10%.... I first made it exactly like you then added some more IPM approx 20cc's and added another gram of 1-test.. Probably could have even added more IPM, it was my first batch.. My next batch will be 60 to 70% Alcohol and 30 to 40%IPM... The alcohol is only for the heat reaction the IPM is the carrier....
 
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I`ll add some more IPM...the formula as is dries in like 5 seconds, I think that`s a little too fast...although I do like not feeling oily, but I`m sure a little more won`t hurt. And if the 1-Test doesn`t get into my system, then what`s the point.
 
Okay I added exactly 3 ml more of IPM...and the formula is still not oily at all. That is just weird because I remember clearly that I had 20ml of IPM in my last Finasol batch (in an 8oz bottle) and even that was a little oily....I basically have the same ratio in my test batch and I feel dry as a bone a few minutes later, cool with me.
 
Just found out that in my state it's illegal to sell everclear. Can't believe it... I guess i'm going to have to buy off the net or something. The guy told me closest place that sells 95% alcohol everclear is N.Carolina, which is a good 16 hour drive, no thanks!
 
Risky,

Just use 99% iso alcohol, it will probably work almost as good,, I think it the IPM that counts the most...

Today workout my strenght shot up considerably, did back and could have kept going and going,,, people in the gym are noticeing had two people come up to me and ask how I was doing it.... diet and suppliments right I am not lying,,, am I?

peace
 
riskybizz007 said:
Just found out that in my state it's illegal to sell everclear. Can't believe it... I guess i'm going to have to buy off the net or something. The guy told me closest place that sells 95% alcohol everclear is N.Carolina, which is a good 16 hour drive, no thanks!
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You probably won't be able to buy it off the Web, because those stores won't ship to states where it's banned.

And don't use sciencealliance.com for anything, even though some people here suggested it in the past. People who have ordered with them recently have gotten no response for weeks. Apparently its owner is in some legal trouble.

You can get 99% isopropyl very cheap (like $3/16oz.) from online medical supply houses.
 
Well I'm in one of the banned states... can't believe it. This state to state stuff is crap.

Killerdice i heard that the iso alcohol added to IPM takes much longer to dry and feels more oily. I'm going to see if i can get some sent to me through my brother's connections. If not... i'll have to go w/ the iso.
 
So you guys are relying primarily on IPM for penetration enhancement, just like PA does. What would you think of the following mix, too oily?

70% Isopropyl or Ethyl Alcohol
15% Isopropyl Mystrate
10% Emu Oil
5% D-limonene

This is a take off on Par's formula. Hope he doesn't mind :) It does not have oxyl salicitate, which majorily improves absorption, and gives his product a clear advantage.
 
And don't use sciencealliance.com for anything, even though some people here suggested it in the past. People who have ordered with them recently have gotten no response for weeks. Apparently its owner is in some legal trouble
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I did not realize who sciencealliance.com was untill I looked at there location. I did not receive my olic acid and was wondering what the deal was... The guy who owned sa was selling the chems needed to make xtc, either 20/20 or 60mins found out and did a special on his ass and that was the end of that.. He was selling to college kids, they were making the xtc and getting rich.. This guy had been in prison for making x in the past and guess he decided to give it another run... SO DO NOT BUY FROM THEM AS YOU PROABLY WILL NOT GET YOUR STUFF...


peace
 
Ok... I need another site for Ethanol or Isopropyl alcohol as well as Oleic Acid... any other website out there selling this stuff?

Also wondering if 75% grain alcohol would still do the trick or is this too little of a %?
 
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Update to sciencealliance.com: they ARE safe to order with. My shipment of 99% isopropyl and oleic acid just showed up. It took 11 days, though.

One concern I have though is that these products are lab-grade, labeled "not for human consumption," etc. Think this is anything to worry about?
 
SA never returned any of my emails,,, and I sent them one the cancel my order... Risky see if you have a pharmacy around that compounds some of there stuff ask them if they will order the goods for you.... I found one right down the street..
 
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shanedice said:
SA never returned any of my emails,,, and I sent them one the cancel my order... Risky see if you have a pharmacy around that compounds some of there stuff ask them if they will order the goods for you.... I found one right down the street..
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The same exact thing happened to me. I tried to cancel the order, yet it showed up on my doorstep anyway.
 
Day four....

So far so bad, I still don`t feel anything, I though this stuff hit you fast like Fina does, and even front loaded for the first two days...guess we`ll wait a couple more days.

And for anyone who wears contacts just a warning, put your contacts in before you spray this stuff on you...otherwise your eyes will prolly burn from handling the 1-Test for hours afterwards, I honestly had to almost call in sick because my eyes burned so bad from this stuff today (although it doesn`t burn the sprayed areas.)

I hope this stuff klicks in soon, cause so far this ain`t worth it.
 
That's not a great analogy, notpuff. People use all kinds of transdermal recipes for Fina. Do you have solid evidence of which work and which don't?

I'm not judging the compound. It's already been judged and the proof is there. What's left to judge? Dosage and delivery.
 
I guess S.A. is questionable... I'll look around in the pharmacies to see what's the deal. If anyone else knows of a website to get OA please post up, it's be easier to order this way.
 
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and don't use sciencealliance.com for anything, even though some people here suggested it in the past. People who have ordered with them recently have gotten no response for weeks. Apparently its owner is in some legal trouble.

Doe's anyone on the board know of another website where we can order the stuff to make 1-test spray.
 
Just use everclear and IPM, is working good for me.. I am also taken it oral to,, I am putting on to much weight I may cut my cycle short,, I am almost up 10lbs,, and dont want to gain anymore weight...
 
a0169969 said:
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Doe's anyone on the board know of another website where we can order the stuff to make 1-test spray.
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bump for info on that as well...

And shane why stop the cycle? Are you gaining too much fat? Keep going bro! You'll end up losing a couple of pounds anyway... might as well make the most of it. Are you finishing your 2nd week yet?
 
2Demon...

My test batch was 120 ml (4oz) of Everclear with 3 grams of 1-Test and 6 ml of IPM.

I just dumped the rest of the 1- Test bottle (7 grams) into 240ml of Everclear with 20 ml of IPM...hopefully I feel it soon otherwise it`s Finasol time.
 
WHy not use dmso ? and u caNT judge a compound based on transdermal delivery ive read many posts about people not making any gains on finasol
 
I`ve never heard of someone not making gains from Finasol, if you don`t make any gains from a higher dosage of sprays, that person just either doesn`t respond to Fina or they are eating and or training incorrectly.
 
Yeah, that sounded odd to me, too. Notpuff, where have you seen all these posts about people not making "any" gains on finasol? Yes, everyone agrees that injection is much more efficient, but I haven't read much about people making no gains transdermally.
 
I think DSMO is no more efective than the improved Ethanol formulas with the IPM and a few other goodies added.

No, I am not "bashin" 1-Test, I never said "This stuff sucks" or anything...I just said it burns my eyes. I just don`t feel anything thus far. I am just becoming a little impatient I suppose, due the the fact after 48 hours on Fina I already start to feel like Superman.

I`ll give 1-Test another week, but if I don`t feel it by then, I will write it off as a product that I simply don`t respond to... because my training and diet are not flawed.
 
In any case, one week isn't enough time to judge it. Fina blows almost everything in terms of quick results, so it's not fair (to yourself) to judge it against 1-test. You explained how much you put in the 1-test preparation, but what's your dosage per day? How many milligrams? How much do you weigh?
 
2demon....

I am using a Finasol bottle, and I was using 70 sprays AM, and 70 Spray PM for the first few days...which is about double the dose then what "One" is, and then 40 sprays AM/PM.

I am currently 5"11 210 lbs with about 12% BF. I start my new bottle today.


Notpuff...
I think anyone eventually "feels" any steroid they are on after a certain amount of time.
 
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