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[Jitsuka]

The area i live in has a lot of trendy-rockers in it. Me and my mate just hate their guts. When walking round we also see a lot of 12 year old biznatches wearing Metallica t-shirts, and Pantera tops and shit and were just like "Whafuk?"

We were lookin through the metal section in HMV when we heard a voice ask us if wed heard of Pantera. We turn round and theres this little 13 year old fuckwit stood there. My flat mate (Who is quite large and scary) just growled at him , the kid looked like hed shat himslef and ran!

trendy rockers and the little biznatches should all be shot.

 

[Welsh power house]

HAHA

Jitsuka, i called you a loser because you JUST POST ON THIS THREAD, no others.....

And i am sorry but my points are far more valid than yours.
I have always said metallica are more talented than slipknot and if that aint the truth then what the fuck is?????

You are what i thought you were, so again i was right, so dont try and act as if you are superiour to me or my interlect.

Goths are fucked up geeks...has anyone else noticed that goths are/were geeks before this trend came along??

FUCK YOU FOR INSULTING WHERE I COME FROM...WALES IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!

 

[kracker]

No im not a goth, i consider myself a Rocker or Metalhead, or what ever they call it in Insestville where you live.

You are not reading my posts are you? No i think not. Go away and go through some of the "Cat sat on the mat" books and when your done, come back and post something after youve read what ive said!

Do not insult where I live mate! i dont care who you are talking to or what about.

I am Welsh and very proud of it.

Are you by any chance English?

 

[Jitsuka]

And i am sorry but my points are far more valid than yours.

I have always said metallica are more talented than slipknot and if that aint the truth then what the fuck is?????

FUCK YOU FOR INSULTING WHERE I COME FROM...WALES IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!

Firstly, to WPH and Kracker, if you thought i was referring to Wales, i appologise. I was referring to which ever over town WPH lives in.

Second, your points are more valid? My arse they are. Out of the many MANY points youve argued for how many have you actually maintained? Yes you argued that Slipknot are more talented than Slipknot. And i agree in a sense. if you compare music styles i think Metallica are more talented at what they do, Slipknot more talented at what Slipknot do. Overall i will agree that Metallica are more talented, but that doesnt mean that Slipknot are without talent.

You are what i thought you were, so again i was right, so dont try and act as if you are superiour to me or my interlect.

Oh yeah, you said i was a Goth, and i wasnt. Of course so your right again. Dipshit.

I may of seemed like i was acting superior, but only because your acting like a bonehead and refusing to actually read what i post.

Goths are fucked up geeks...has anyone else noticed that goths are/were geeks before this trend came along??

Fucked up? Certainly. Geeks. No. You say before the trend. What exactly does that mean? If you speak to some real goths, you will realise that the majority of goths now are following the trend. Dont even think of them as goths.

Jitsuka, i called you a loser because you JUST POST ON THIS THREAD, no others.....

On several forums i visit I actually know people who have been visiting for months, and dont even have an account. they just like to read the threads and most will only reply if something they feel strongly about comes up. You dont know me. You dont know that i havent been here for months looking at the boards. I may of been. i might not of been. I could of simply stumbled in here and seen somebody who was spouting bullshit and needed a few things pointed out to them. Why do you care where i post? If i dont post anywhere else, what does it bother you? I post my comments here, and you reply. Wether im posting anywhere else is irrelevent.

 

[AlCunt]

Oh god justika, what is your problem?

We were lookin through the metal section in HMV when we heard a voice ask us if wed heard of Pantera. We turn round and theres this little 13 year old fuckwit stood there. My flat mate (Who is quite large and scary) just growled at him , the kid looked like hed shat himslef and ran!

People like you who are so staunchly elitist are what is wrong with the world today!

I mean, its as if what you listen to is yours and yours alone! You may object
to all these little kids listening to pop punk and pretending to be metal, but they turn in to older people, and i bet you were like them once. You try and tell me that you donat have one green day or nirvana album, and YOU ARE A LIAR, my friend. I do, and im not ashamed of that.

And where do you get off insulting there wph comes from? I come from the same place, and im not too impressed with that comment. So i think you can suck my dick, mate.

 

[AlCunt]

oh and so you dont think im a one sided hypocrite let me say this

"Carry it with you till someone forgives you, i laugh 'coz theres nothing to say"

 

[Welsh power house]

To me a goth is a goth, jitsuka it is not for you to say what a 'real goth' is.

 

[Jitsuka]

Elitist?

Well ive been called a few things in my time, but thats the first time for that.

the problem i have with these little shits is the fact that they dont listen to this stuff. They are simply doing the "in thing." Rock and metal is in right now, so we get a bunch of kids running round wearing "Metallica" t-shirts, who if you asked them if the prefered "And justice for all" to "Master Of Puppets" they would just look at you blankly. I dont have a problem with new people listening to the same music as me, but people like that piss me off.

You try and tell me that you donat have one green day or nirvana album, and YOU ARE A LIAR, my friend. I do, and im not ashamed of that.

I honestly have no idea what that comment is supposed to mean. Could you clarify it please.

So i think you can suck my dick, mate.

Erm, no.

oh and so you dont think im a one sided hypocrite let me say this

"Carry it with you till someone forgives you, i laugh 'coz theres nothing to say"

Im not sure but i think the "One sided hypocrite" bit is linked to the bit i didnt get. Sorry, ive done 6 hours revision so far and my brain has turned to mush. And ive still get another hour to go.

 

[6(SIC)6]

To me a goth is a goth, jitsuka it is not for you to say what a 'real goth' is.

To you a goth is what you decide it to be, please tell me, what do YOU think a goth is? I'd love to hear this.


Jitsuka described goth perfectly as did i.


Whats your version?

 

[Jitsuka]

No its not for me to decide what a goth is, but it for me, and others lic (sic) to point out what a goth is when people like you dont know what a goth is.

"To me a rocker goes around wearing a Backstreet Boys t-shirt, with the new Britney Spears Logo pants on."

That is the equivilant of what your saying, and if i went round saying that, i hope somebody would put me straight.

 

[Estranged]

Cool thread, i love rock/metal!
My fav bands are g n r, megadeth and metallica.

Without being one sided to my prefered band, i have to agree that metallica are far superiour to slipknot talent-wise.
That is not to say slipknot are untalented, but they can't be compared to one of the best bands of all time in metallica.
I do not dislike slipknot, i like a few tracks but have to say that three of their line up were auditioned and the audition was not done by a member of the band, but i dont want to argue about that, like you guys have done for 3 or 4 pages!!!!!
metallica are far better Nuf said!

I dont think jitsuka can justify the comment about what he and his friend did/said, there is nothing funny about that, just very imature and shows that you can't say who is or is not a real goth, it is not for you, welsh power house or 6(sic)6 to say, none of you have that right!

jitsuka, I think alcunt(nice name! haha) is trying to say with that comment that he is not blaming the 'trendy rockers' or what ever you call them(the little kids you seem to hate).
He is in other words saying, we were all kids once so grow up!
Those kids you did that to are the you and your friend of tomorrow so do not think you are better than them because you think you know more about the music they and you enjoy.
Karma my friend, what goes around comes around(cool to see something like that on here!)

On a different note, anyone here in a band?

 

[Estranged]

Firstly, to WPH and Kracker, if you thought i was referring to Wales, i appologise. I was referring to which ever over town WPH lives in.

Second, your points are more valid? My arse they are. Out of the many MANY points youve argued for how many have you actually maintained? Yes you argued that Slipknot are more talented than Slipknot. And i agree in a sense. if you compare music styles i think Metallica are more talented at what they do, Slipknot more talented at what Slipknot do. Overall i will agree that Metallica are more talented, but that doesnt mean that Slipknot are without talent.

The first comment is a contradiction in itself and maybe you should check your geograohy, they both live in west wales.
Any of you two live near Llanelli?

You can't say his points are not valid. After reading every post on this thread(what an awesome thread, has to be the most popular i have seen!) in my opinion he has made more sense than you have with regards to the slipknot metallica debate(i dont wanna argue about that, i have but my point across, wont say much more on that) and i cant understand your logic when it comes to the gothic stuff, you are talking balls.

I dont want to argue with you, but i had to say that, sorry if it seems that i have singled you out.

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

I am gothic, i wear all black, black nails, boots, and i'm into blood, death, vampires, bondage, i love pentagrams and upside-down crosses too. I never drank pigs blood though, i'm not a big fan of pigs...I have, however, drank some human blood. As you can tell by my username, i also like Lucifer. Anyway, i agree with alot of what you people said, rockers are fucking cool, and i loathe trendy motherfuckers.

 

[Estranged]

I would just like to say that i am not gothic in any way, i actually hate goths, no offense to anyone on here. Call me judgemental, but i wont even try and get to know the person if they say they are into blood, death and vampires. To me that is too far, that is sadistic.

 

[6(SIC)6]

I dont really give a fuck what goths do.

 

[nevertoobig]

I am gothic, i wear all black, black nails, boots, and i'm into blood, death, vampires, bondage, i love pentagrams and upside-down crosses too. I never drank pigs blood though, i'm not a big fan of pigs...I have, however, drank some human blood. As you can tell by my username, i also like Lucifer. Anyway, i agree with alot of what you people said, rockers are fucking cool, and i loathe trendy motherfuckers.

LOL...u prick.

 

[Jitsuka]

The first comment is a contradiction in itself and maybe you should check your geograohy, they both live in west wales.
Any of you two live near Llanelli?

You can't say his points are not valid. After reading every post on this thread(what an awesome thread, has to be the most popular i have seen!) in my opinion he has made more sense than you have with regards to the slipknot metallica debate(i dont wanna argue about that, i have but my point across, wont say much more on that) and i cant understand your logic when it comes to the gothic stuff, you are talking balls.

I dont want to argue with you, but i had to say that, sorry if it seems that i have singled you out.

The first comment was aimed at the town WPH comes from, not Wales itself.

At no point did i say his points were not valid, i said they were not more valid than mine, given the mayority of points hes argued hes given up on.

The Slipknot/Metallica debate, i have agreed to a degree with WPH. Metallica do have more talent overall, but as i said, if either band was to do what the other does, theyd both suck.

How do you mean you cant understand my point oin the gothic stuff? Im just trying to get people to understand that what WPH is saying becasue of a few "Goths" by him, does not make him right. In fact it makes him wrong.
Im not saying Goths cant like Slipknot, im saying that goths who say Slipknot is gothic music are talking outta their arses adn arent goths.

I dont feel that youve singled me out at all, and its nice to have somebody argue with me that doesnt have to resort to insults to try to put their point across.

LOL...u prick.

Wow! An original and constructive piece of criticism.

you can't say who is or is not a real goth, it is not for you, welsh power house or 6(sic)6 to say, none of you have that right!

Ok maybe none of us on these boards can say for deffinate what a goth is, but some of us can say for certain what a goth isnt.

Those kids you did that to are the you and your friend of tomorrow so do not think you are better than them because you think you know more about the music they and you enjoy.

Thats the point, its not the music they enjoy. At home i know an 13 year old who listens to Pantera/Slayer/Metallica/'Knot adn a whole lot of other stuff. I dont have a problem with him, beacuse its what he likes. However the area i live in currently is inundated with kids who are doing the "rocker" thing because its the in thing right now. As ive said, you speak to kids wearing the Metallica tops which is their favorite album, they will either reply "Dunno." or "Master Of Puppets". They only reply MOP becasue iots the only black, Metallica Albumed Jumper they cvan buy round here. Theey have never listened to Metallica, and cant name anythihg by them.

That is what i have a problem with.

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Well, Slipknot isn't a gothic band at all. Gothic bands are The Cure, Morbid Angel, and Krisiun. By the way, that ,"LOL...You prick", wasn't really creative or mature at all, come back when you can think of a real insult.

 

[GaryWary]

By the way, that ,"LOL...You prick", wasn't really creative or mature at all, come back when you can think of a real insult.

You insulted first by inferring that non-metal fans were trendy motherfuckers?

I like all styles - metal, house, drum and bass..........

Does that make me a trendy motherfucker?

PS: I used to be in the Goober Patrol (Fat Wreck records).. bet you aint heard of them.

 

[Jitsuka]

I think Lucifer was referring to the same people as me and (Sic). The people who are "trendy rockers".

Nothing to do with non metal fans.

 

[Welsh power house]

I think Lucifer was referring to the same people as me and (Sic). The people who are "trendy rockers".

Nothing to do with non metal fans.

If thats true, let him say that, dont say what you THINK he ment.....lets hear what he has to say himself.

 

[basskiller]

Hey Man the Carpenters Rock!

 

[nevertoobig]

I am gothic, i wear all black, black nails, boots, and i'm into blood, death, vampires, bondage, i love pentagrams and upside-down crosses too. I never drank pigs blood though, i'm not a big fan of pigs...I have, however, drank some human blood. As you can tell by my username, i also like Lucifer. Anyway, i agree with alot of what you people said, rockers are fucking cool, and i loathe trendy motherfuckers.

Tell me exactly why you do/like the things mentioned above.

e.g. Why you like Lucifer, why you drink blood.

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Yeah, i meant trendy rockers, i also meant posers. It just pisses me off to see a ten year old with a Slayer shirt on. And as for nevertobig, i just do things like that because thats the kind of person i am.

 

[plainjane]

I love all types and forms of music. It just depends on what my mood is and what acitivity I am participating in as to what I choose to listen too. I play the flute and violin, my husband play the guitar and piano so we are a musical family. My CD range from Stevie Ray Vaughan, Bob Marley, Enya, Metalica, Creed, Mozart, Pavarotti.....

My own personal preference when doing cardio is something with a good strong beat so usually dance/techno music. When lifting its usually whatever the gym is playing over the loudspeakers, but I prefer a harder rock like Metalica.

 

[nevertoobig]

And as for nevertobig, i just do things like that because thats the kind of person i am.

You drink human blood for a reason. Whats more, you know the reason (e.g Because it makes people fear you, or it makes you look cool.)

If you asked me why i injected steroids in my ass and i replied with 'Because thats the way i am' then it'd be an unsatisfactory answer and a cop-out.

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Well, i wasn't gonna say the other reason because it can creep some people out. But the othe reason is that i love the taste.

 

[Welsh power house]

You drink human blood for a reason. Whats more, you know the reason (e.g Because it makes people fear you, or it makes you look cool.)

If you asked me why i injected steroids in my ass and i replied with 'Because thats the way i am' then it'd be an unsatisfactory answer and a cop-out.

Very well said, i think you ow him a better/accurate reason for doing those things you said you do.
I am sorry but i dont think anyone drinks human blood and worships the devil because thats just the way they are, everyone is different so tell us why you do these things or is it just the image you want to give out?!

What is wrong with a 10 year old kid wearing a slayer T????
Is it wrong for a younger person to like that music......no.

 

[Jitsuka]

What is wrong with a 10 year old kid wearing a slayer T????
Is it wrong for a younger person to like that music......no.

No its not wrong, in fact its a good thing. If youd actually read my post above ive said i know a 13 year old who likes Slayer/Pantera/Metallica etc, who i have absolutely no problem with, Hell i reccomend stuff for him to listen to.

Its when the 13 year olds have no idea about the music they supposedly listen to that i get annoyed.

 

[Peyote Killa]

I like the idea of your thread, but my answer is a group that holds a catagory of their own. TOOL. They are everything you could ask for in a musical band. I know that this is only a reflection of my opinion, but as a listener of TOOL, I feel compeled to share the emotions that run through as I listen to the music that is so well orchastrated. The entrancing vocals and deep riffs are what set them apart from all other bands. They fit into their own catagory, and it can only be left at that.

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

I normally have no problem with ten year olds with Slayer shirts, but it turned out, that he was wearing it only because he and his little buddys thought it was trendy. I really don't like trendy people.

 

[C.U.N.T]

I normally have no problem with ten year olds with Slayer shirts, but it turned out, that he was wearing it only because he and his little buddys thought it was trendy. I really don't like trendy people.

Are you the same guy that said a few posts back that you are gothic?
You don't like trendy people?
What do you think gothic is, it has become a trend, and unless you have been this way(drinking blood.lol!!!, wearing black) for the last 5 years or so, have you hopped on the wagon with this trend?

 

[LuciferLovesYou]

Well, I don't really know if people think being gothic is a trend. Honestly, I don't care. I dress and act the way I do because I feel like it, and i'll continue to dress the way I feel until I finally die. I don't remember who asked this, but I don't like trendy people because they are posers, i'm sick of preppy, happy people dressing like punks and saying, "anarchy in the uk", in monotone to me.

 

[Estranged]

HAHA, you really make me laugh!

 

[Jitsuka]

Well im glad he was able to amuse you. Now you know how people like me, (Sic) and Lucifer feel when we read posts like "Oh Slipknot were auditioned" and "Slipknot are nu-metal"

 

[6(SIC)6]

Yep thats right

 

[Estranged]

haha, so you guys are the gothic kliq are you?

when i said you nake me laugh, i was saying that because he talks rubbish.

Jitsuka, do you know sic and lucifer, or are you just trying to get someone to back you up your points and opinions?

 

[Jitsuka]

haha, so you guys are the gothic kliq are you?

when i said you nake me laugh, i was saying that because he talks rubbish.

Jitsuka, do you know sic and lucifer, or are you just trying to get someone to back you up your points and opinions?

Whats "gothic kliq?"

How does he talk rubbish? you asked about why he dressed the way he did etc and he replied. i dont see the humor there.

How do you mean do i know (sic) and lucifer? Do you mean from these boards or in real life? No in either case, but im just wondering why you thought that? I dont need others to back up my points. (sic) and lucifer know what theyre on about, sae as i do, thats why it appears theyre backing me up.

 

[nevertoobig]

Whats "gothic kliq?"

How does he talk rubbish? you asked about why he dressed the way he did etc and he replied. i dont see the humor there.

How do you mean do i know (sic) and lucifer? Do you mean from these boards or in real life? No in either case, but im just wondering why you thought that? I dont need others to back up my points. (sic) and lucifer know what theyre on about, sae as i do, thats why it appears theyre backing me up.

Estranged is right, Lucifer does talk rubbish.

He doesnt like Lucifer or satan. If he did then he'd also like to be tortured and burnt in hell. Do you think if someone tried to torture him, he wouldnt scream at them to stop?

The guy doesn't like pain, doesnt like the devil or lucifer. He's 'into them' because its cool and trendy, just like any 10 year old who wears slayer t-shirts. (All the guys that said being gothic was a trend were exactly right).

Its not really worth arguing about, the guys just too dumb and so are you if you believe the crap that he writes. If it makes him feel cool then fair enough, but theres no need to go around pretending thats not the real reason.

Remember...he drinks blood because it tastes nice. No really, he does!

 

[polarpixie]

i didnt see indie rock up there

 

[benchmaniac2]

BUMP..this threads interesting.

 

[Jitsuka]

Maybe WPH has admitted defeat of his arguements?

 

[benchmaniac2]

It looks like theres a lot more people than WPH that disagree with you.

Answer them.

 

[AlCunt]

Im feeling constructive:

Suck my cock, u trendy gothic bastards.

See? Well rounded, constructive critisism always starts with a line of argument!

 

[Jitsuka]

Answer them.

As far as i can tell i've answered all the points people have brought up. I just WPh as he wasnt the loudest of the Anti-Slipknot group.

Alcunt: Have you been paying attention? I think not. Only one person here who has posted has said theyre a goth, so why dont you just fuck off eh?

 

[AlCunt]

um, how bout no? Was i talking to you? Do i satisfy your4 social requirements?

 

[Welsh power house]

Maybe WPH has admitted defeat of his arguements?

HAHA!!!!!!!!!

my POINTS still stand, i think metallica, guns n' roses, aerosmith and every other band i listen to are far more talented than slipknot are.
This point was mainly between sic and myself and you have joined this thread half way through, think you know what you are on about and try to make up an arguement, but just piss people off because you talk shit.

Right, ok so i think metallica are more musically talented than slipknot.....for fuck sake how can you disagree with this????!!!!!

Anyone who knows anything about music, like them or not metallica are one of the best bands ever, slipknot are simply not.
Anyone with ears can tell the difference between a band that makes 'master of puppets' and a band that makes 'wait and bleed'.....for Christ sake dont compare the talent between these bands!!!!


You called me a dumbass, and you dont know what a kliq is??!!

 

[Estranged]

who do you consider to be more talented:
a) slipknot
b) metallica



HUMMMMMMMMMM, i wonder what the outcome would be....

Jitsuka, i really dont know why you continue posting, clearly this is a debate there is no chance in you coming out on top.
Metallica are superior....bottom line.
You just make contridictive statements and jump to conclusions without the slightest knowledge on the subject you are debating about.......you know dick about metal, from what i have read on here.

You constantly try to fire back at a previous statement mabe by W.p.h but he makes more sense than you do, well, not hard if you believe that slipknot are better than metallica, g n r or any other band he mentioned.
Really, slipknot do not have as much talent as James hetfield's left toe nail when it comes to making decent music.

If you disagree, try this.
Take someone who does not like metal or rock music, play for them nothing else matters or master of puppets and then any slipknot song becasue they are all crap, and ask them the following,

'which song did you like better?'

My father does not like heavy rock or metal, but appreciates the talent behind guns n' roses and metallica and enjoys most of their songs. But when he heard slipknot, he laughed at them...most people do, they are a gloryfied boy band targeting a popular trend as others have said on this thread and are fueled by the easily influenced teens that think it is cool to wear 'alternative' clothing and listen to such music.

Sorry to be harsh, but i have had enough of this bitchy crap being said by people who dont understand what talent is.

 

[nevertoobig]

Well said Estranged.

btw, wheres the guy who likes to drink blood gone?

 

[Welsh power house]

Does anyone care? I dont think he will be missed....

 

[Welsh power house]

bump

 

[nevertoobig]

lol...wheres lucifer.

 

[woollis2]

SIC.......

Good Lord guys......I have to say something before I read the last page of posts.....first of all......Slipknot are from my state....my friends and one of my relatives know them personally and are friends with them....SIC....don't put them on a pedastal, K? Guys...obviously SIC can't get it thru his head that Slipknot sucks (BUT a opinions are like asshole and everyone on these boards have one, SIC is entitled to his)..they may be alright to talk to, but their music sucks.....just like Orgy, my husband has partied with them at the hotel they were at when they played the Lazer Louou (spelling? pronounced Lou-ow) along with many other numetal and alternative bands and said they were awesome to talk to...great guys....but they suck also (Orgy I mean)...they have one good song.

As far as a trend....well some people can say "well so and so won't be around for long, they're a one hit wonder"...but don't ya think some people said that about the mega-millionaire-legend artists that have been around for kazillion years? Like I said before, everyone has their opinion. Nobody's right and nobody's wrong. It's just fun to let everyone know what you think.


Personally (I always have an opinion...just sometimes keep it to myself) I listen to anything from CCR to Metallica (sorry SIC, but Metallica are a legend....they have Mandatory Metallica on a radio station in Iowa..an hour or two of nothing buy Metallica every weeknight) to Def Leppard to Train to Fatboy Slim to Santana to Linkin Park (Chaz and Mike are sooooo yummy) to whatever. If it has a beat and gets me pumped, then I love it no matter if it's country or classical.

 

[AlCunt]

Well said woollis.

People like sic are too quick to point out that what myself or others believe is our opinion, but it seems that thay cannot grasp that what they have to say is THEIR opinion. Fair enough, sic's opinion is his and is as valid as mine, but people do not have the right to go around and try to tell other people what to think.

I do not like slipknot, and thats my opinion.

If you dont agree with that, then fine, but if you give me shit about it, you are a very narrow-minded and obtuse individual, and you have my pity.

 

[woollis2]

Well said woollis.

People like sic are too quick to point out that what myself or others believe is our opinion, but it seems that thay cannot grasp that what they have to say is THEIR opinion. Fair enough, sic's opinion is his and is as valid as mine, but people do not have the right to go around and try to tell other people what to think.

I do not like slipknot, and thats my opinion.

If you dont agree with that, then fine, but if you give me shit about it, you are a very narrow-minded and obtuse individual, and you have my pity.

Thank u!!
I totally agree!

 

[AlCunt]

its nice to get a female opinion in here.

Too much testosterone spoils the broth.

 

[Welsh power house]

well said woolis, nice word there alcunt.

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[Jitsuka]

Right, ok so i think metallica are more musically talented than slipknot.....for fuck sake how can you disagree with this????!!!!!

Well im tired and lazy as ive just had a 8 hour coach trip, so i cant find what i originally put but i found this instead.

The Slipknot/Metallica debate, i have agreed to a degree with WPH. Metallica do have more talent overall, but as i said, if either band was to do what the other does, theyd both suck.

So to all the people saying im argueing the Slipknot/metallica thing, drop it. I am not agreeing unnamously, im saying that i believe that overall metallica are more talented, but if either band was to do the style of the other theyd probably suck.

And (Sic) has said he thinks Metallica have more talent than slipknot (Early 90's and before i thnk he said) he just prefares slipknot more.

You just make contridictive statements and jump to conclusions without the slightest knowledge on the subject you are debating about.......you know dick about metal, from what i have read on here.

Where? Give me examples so i can put my side forward.

People like sic are too quick to point out that what myself or others believe is our opinion, but it seems that thay cannot grasp that what they have to say is THEIR opinion. Fair enough, sic's opinion is his and is as valid as mine, but people do not have the right to go around and try to tell other people what to think.

I do not like slipknot, and thats my opinion.

As ive said before, i like slipknot, you guys dont. Fine. Its when some people start talking shit that i get annoyed. When people ignore facts like slipknot NOT being gothic music, something which has nothing at all to do with opinion, i will say they are wrong.

If you dont agree with that, then fine, but if you give me shit about it, you are a very narrow-minded and obtuse individual, and you have my pity.

Well its good to see some sense from the one person who has always provided constructive criticism and argued their points properly.

Oh apart from,

So i think you can suck my dick, mate.

oh yeah and,

Suck my cock, u trendy gothic bastards.

And your saying people like me are narrow minded?

 

[CRNT93]

I like the idea of your thread, but my answer is a group that holds a catagory of their own. TOOL. They are everything you could ask for in a musical band. I know that this is only a reflection of my opinion, but as a listener of TOOL, I feel compeled to share the emotions that run through as I listen to the music that is so well orchastrated. The entrancing vocals and deep riffs are what set them apart from all other bands. They fit into their own catagory, and it can only be left at that.

Amen!
I just wonder how the hell it sells so well.I mean,most great
music doesn't.

 

[AlCunt]

Cheers jistuka, its nice to see people pay attention to my views!

 

[Welsh power house]

wow, jitsuka, you enjoy ur quoting sessions dont you!!

 

[Jitsuka]

Well normally i dont bother with a lot of quotes, but this is a long topic, so it makes it easier for people to know exactly what im replying too.

Oh and Happy New Years to all! Hope you had a good one!

 

[AlCunt]

I had a good new year!

Altogether now dai:
I WOULD WALK 500 MILES AND I WOULD WALK 500 MORE!!!

 

[Jitsuka]

Argh! No not that song! Arghhhhhhhhh!!!

*Begins foaming at the mouth*



Sorry Alcunt, i have an alergic reaction to that song. LAst year my flatmate downloaded that and played it practically NON STOP for 2 weeks! Along with poison by Alice Cooper, Runaway by linkin park and Babylon, by someone whos name eledus me, they all produce the effect of me running screaming for the hills!

 

[Welsh power house]

al, dude that night ruled, apart from the puking in the tolets and the massive fight leading to shit all over the floor.

For those who are wondering what the fuck it is i am talking about..some huge mofo ripped out a tolet and smashed some other dudes face in with it...shit, piss and puke went every where since the pipes were kinda shooting shit all over the whole f'in' room!!!!

 

[Welsh power house]

Alice cooper rules!

Feed my frankinstien kicks ass!

i have an alergic reaction to bent guys in boiler suits wearing masks, jumping up and down pretending to be a band, capturing the imagination of every depressed gothic prick that worships these trendy fucks.

for the last time, lets review the band!

corey :vocals----complete jackass, cant sing, shouts alot, no talent
mick :guitars-----big,fat, gives (sic) insperation to lift..complete shit
sid :turntables---shit nuff said
Shawn :Custom percussion---aka cunt that jumps up and down
paul :bass----yep, you guessed it, he is pants too
joey :drums--guy who can hit fast, way over-rated
Chris :Custom percussion---see shawn
james :guitars--again, big, but still shit
craig :samples/media---umm, yeah ok....what a shit band!!!!


There you have it, the complete, crappy, trendy aimed gothic mess aka nu metal boys and what they do best/worst....you decide.

 

[AlCunt]

I feel reserved to comment on the quality of the musical abilities of slipknot, but i have to agree with him on one thing, Paul is NOT a good bassist.

Being a bassist myself, i feel i do have an insight into it. It's is my, and friend's of mine who play bass' opinion, that if you cant play 4 string bass, dont bother with 5.

I feel that the bassline has a very profound influence on the quality of the music, and i can barely even hear it on slipkno's matirial.

If you look at the greatest bands of recent times, they have all had top quality bassist, who dont so much as complement the music, as make it good themselves.

Im talking about people like Flea of RHCP, Timmy C of RATM (Thats my view), Cliff Burton ex Metallica

Without being argumentative, i do not feel that paul is anywhere near a good bassist.
LOOK OUT! ITS DR OCTOPUS!!

 

[Jitsuka]

Well for a start Im not gonna say either way about Paul just yet, maybe i think he aint too good, maybe i think he is good. But as Alcunt pointed out that a lot of bands have had good bassists that helped them tremendously. though im not sure that that can apply in the same way to Slipknot, Metalica are a four piece adn so the influence of the bassist would be felt more, where as Slipknot have 9 players, so its more of a group effort.

Al, is this making sense, it does to me, and i know what i wanna say but im tired and noit sure how to put it. Ah fuck it if it dont ill come baclk after some sleep and sort it out.


WPH: Are you ever gonna give up on Slipknot saying theyre gothic? It was pointed out what gothic bands were a few pages ago. Slipknot arent gothic. As ive said before goths by you may listen to them, but theyre still not gothic music. No way no how.

And as for your "analysis" of the band, how come theyre members have receeived multiple awards from Kerrang adn other magazines then? (Sic) listed what Slipknot had won a few pages back.

 

[AlCunt]

i

But as Alcunt pointed out that a lot of bands have had good bassists that helped them tremendously. though im not sure that that can apply in the same way to Slipknot, Metalica are a four piece adn so the influence of the bassist would be felt more, where as Slipknot have 9 players, so its more of a group effort.

I think i agree with you there

 

[Welsh power house]

Slipknot are'nt gothic......fuuuuckkkkk offf, give me a fucking break...these guys are the like Gods to goths.

And could you be more up al's ass???

as he said earlier, suck my cock you trendy gothic bastards.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Welsh if you cant express yourself intelligently then piss off no-one wants to listen to your childish posts.

No-ones up al's ass, he's just got intelligence about him and expresses himself as such without resorting to 'slipknot are gothic' and crap like you post.



I think Pauls an ALRIGHT bassist, he doesn't do a bad job on 'scissors', when the bass starts in that it sets the scene for me and makes it really scary even though its a very simple riff. The same with 'gently', thats done really well and it sounds way cool. Other than that i agree he could be better but as you guys agree on, SlipKnot is a 9 piece band so it would be hard to for the bass to make more of an impression.

 

[Jitsuka]

Welsh, (Sic) posted examples of gothic music a few pages back. To be honest im not gonna bothering to argue with you on this, you abandoned the "Slipknot are nu-metal" for "Slipknot are gothic." and people who know what gothic music is have pointed out examples to you. If you cant argue your points in English without being a tit, piss off.

And why am i up Al's ass? Where the fuck does that come from??


And does anybody have any news on Metallicas latest album? Is Hetfield out of rehab yet, and any dates for its appearance?

 

[Welsh power house]

No, i have always been told that slipknot are nu metal and so thats why i said that, just because you say they are'nt does not make them anything else. Everyone who i talk to about them has said that they fall under nu metal.

I said you were up al's ass because a few pages back he came on here and started talking trash to you, sic, luicifer...
But you have suddenly changed your tone to him.
It looks this way to me.
You started licking ass on this page.

I think if you asked most people that they would agree that slipknot are both gothic and shit.
Any way, dont bring up shit like:
'you dropped the whole slipknot are nu metal'

Did I? like fuck.

When sic dropped the whole:
'slipknot are more talented than metallica'

clearly i am talking more sense than people who believe that these freaks are a better/more musically talented band than one of the all time greats, 80's or 90's, its really irrelevant. Like the 90's material or not, they have clearly out classed slipknot.

 

[AlCunt]

Hetfield is our of rehab, but they have no bassist, as Mike Inez (Ex- Alice in Chains) had to pull out of the recording process. So their management company approached Jason newstead to see if he would play bass for them.

I think this is a bad idea. While i doubt that there is any bad blood between the two camps, i dont think you should go back to something you walked out of. And no disrespect to Jason, he's a good bassist, but there are better session playes out there than him that would kill to play with metallica.

 

[Jitsuka]

Everyone who i talk to about them has said that they fall under nu metal.

Oh yeah so you never siad that people told you Slipknot was gothic music then? If EVERYBODY tells you theyre nu-metal then why do you argue theyre gothic?

Welsh, i think the thing here with nu-metal is that there are two deffinitions of nu-metal ive realised recently. One is the deffinition of nu-metal that i use which is bands like Linkin Park and Downer. Theyre not overly heavy. Now i think the problem is that there is another deffinition of nui-metal which is anything that doesnt easily fit into an existing category already ie Slipknot. Kerrangs site DOES list them as nu-metal, saying nu-metal is anything they cant easily classify, though other sites have the deffinition that i use, so unfortunately until the music reporters get off their asses and decide which is which there wont be an answer.

I said you were up al's ass because a few pages back he came on here and started talking trash to you, sic, luicifer...
But you have suddenly changed your tone to him.
It looks this way to me.
You started licking ass on this page.

Yeah as you said he came in and started talking trash to the 'Knot fans so why should i be civil to somebody that insults me? But when Alcunt put up his views about Paul, his own opinion without saying "Paul is shit i am right" and without insulting anybody who likes Slipknot, why the fuck shouldnt i reply in the same manner?

Treat others as you would be treated yourself.

I think if you asked most people that they would agree that slipknot are both gothic and shit.

Gothic no, not if they know what theyre talking about. And besides youve already stated that EVERYBODY you asked said they were nu-metal, so decide which one you want to go for and then post it.

clearly i am talking more sense than people who believe that these freaks are a better/more musically talented band than one of the all time greats, 80's or 90's, its really irrelevant. Like the 90's material or not, they have clearly out classed slipknot.

But this is a persopal favorite of your Welsh, opinion. Now ive already said that i believe that Slipknot dont have as much talent as Metallica. I worked night shift with a bunch of rap and R'n'B fans who believe that it takes more talent to produce an Rap/R'nB album than a metal album. the example i used was Metallica, and pointed out how Metallica have shit loads more talent than the stuff they listened to, but they werent convinced. If they dont like metal they wont see the talent as easily as if they did. Similarily if you like metal but not really heavy stuff you will find it very hard to appreaciate the talent Slipknot has.

 

[6(SIC)6]

When sic dropped the whole:
'slipknot are more talented than metallica'

I never said that once.

 

[Welsh power house]

Oh yeah so you never siad that people told you Slipknot was gothic music then? If EVERYBODY tells you theyre nu-metal then why do you argue theyre gothic?

Ummmm, around here nu metal is considered gothic music.
I cant be arsed to continue the same old nu metal banter.
Nu metal is fucking shit.

You say some fucked up shit. I can recognize talented bands, regardless of stlyes and how they are catagorized by a magazine.
For example elton john is extremely talented but i hate his stuff, but appreciate his musicall talents. You say that some r n b guys say that the music they listen to takes more talent than say metallica...Well, we all know thats bullshit because alot of them dont write their songs and certainly dont write thier music, since most dont even play guitars/bass/drums...sure usher has a good voice, but is he as talented as slash or richie sambora...uhh, in my books, no.

Slipknot are nothing more than a shouty, untalented mess of 9 guys thrown together to profit a record label that auditioned them, gave them a gimmick that they new teen agers and the whole nu metal scene would go nuts about.

Dont tell me to piss off because you dont like how i put my points of veiw or anger on here, i started this thread, have been here from the start, you cant show up half way through an argument and tell me to piss off.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Watch me Dickhead.

 

[Jitsuka]

sure usher has a good voice, but is he as talented as slash or richie sambora.

I will state here that i dont know who usher is, so im assuming theyre a rapper/R'n'B' artist. The people i talked about would believe that usher had more talent than Slash, provided usher is a decent artist of course. They could listen to Slash's pieces and then state that anybody can learn to play a guitar, and learning to play it badly ie in a heavy/rock band is even easier. The arguement that learning to rhyme is even easier was lost on them. They believed that G n R were shit, couldnt play and couldnt sing. Same with any rock/metal band.

You said they were put togetehr by a record label to make them a profit. Why would any record label sign 9 people into a band who they then have to pay, thereby reducing the profits. Then why would they have said band play music that even if they became as massive as they did, i believe theyre (Roadruner?) highest grossing band, are a minority band, and will never make as much money as other main stream bands? Now although i beleive that Slipknot toned down and polished iowa more than Slipknot, hence i like the first album more, they could of toned it down a lot more, getting money from the original fan base, but the they would pull in a shit load more fans as well.

 

[AlCunt]

Hey chill everybody!
lets all listen to some nice relaxing ska... yeah right

I agree that slipknot did tone down Iowa, but not to the degree that would have been seen as ultra comercial. I respect the for that. having seen such a huge explosion in thier fanbase, they could have just as easily made a more mainstream album, just like bands such as green day did (see warning). But they diddnt. Ill give them that

 

[AlCunt]

best bands i discovered in 2001:

Jimmy Eat world, Alkaline Trio, and lost prophets

 

[AlCunt]

Best thing i discovered in 2001:

Realising i could play bass after 3 years of "nah, im shit"

Question: Playing bass with a pic/fingers, or 5/4string

 

[Jitsuka]

Yeah i really liked the Lostprophets, theyre very good and have so much energy on stage. i bought their album after seeing them as a support band, i aw they rereleased it a few weeks back without all the wierd intermission bits.

Edit: has anybody heard Drowning Pool? Theyre a good band i discovered last year as well.

 

[AlCunt]

Yeah i saw them on wwf :S they r really good

 

[Jitsuka]

Huh? You saw Drowning Pool or Lostprophets on WWF?

I saw Lostprophets live when they were playing as a support band for Linkin Park, i thought they were great and they have so much energy on stage, they really put a lot in. A lot of my friends saw them at reading as well, and said they were good there too. I heard DP on a StickDeath animation, so i downloaded some more of their stuff and really liked it, though their album hasnt been released over here yet.

 

[AlCunt]

I saw drowning pool on a wwf promo, plus i heard them on stickdeath too. Thats a fucking good site. And im going to see lost prophets next week! woo!

 

[Jitsuka]

Where are you going to see them? Have they got their own gig or playing support again?

 

[AlCunt]

They are playing down here in swansea, headining with 2 local support bands before they start on the NME tour with Andrew W.K. , which doesnt come to wales unfortunatly

 

[Welsh power house]

Got back from france last night....good curry al, u missed out!

After a week of high octan sking, my legs, ass and whole f'in' body are killing!!!!

Got hit in the head by the drag lift....totally bomed off the side of one slope, and travelling for 20 hours sucks ass.

Listened to every metallica, gnr, kid rock and creed album.

I know what u guys will think when u hear kid, but the band are pretty f'in' good!

'I'm wrong, but you aint right' Is an awesome track

I like creed, have not really heard the new album much, but loved the first two.

Can anyone tell em what the name of the track is from the film the faculty by them?

 

[Welsh power house]

Watch me Dickhead.

HAHA, what a cocksucker you are.

 

[Estranged]

I saw Lostprophets live when they were playing as a support band for Linkin Park

Ow dear, you went to see linkin park. You have my pitty.

Welsh: yeah the cocky album is great, their best imo.

I aint a big fan of creed, they have some good stuff, but alot of shit too. Lost prophets just suck imo.

 

[Jitsuka]

I dont know the name of the song from the Faculty i aint seen it sorry.

I havent heard My Own Prison, but ive got both Human Clay nad Weathered. I really liked Human Clay, but i do prefare Weathered to it, some very good stuff on it.

Ive not heard much Kid Rock, seen him on MTV a few times and he comes across as an arse so ive never bothered.

 

[Welsh power house]

The faculty is awesome and has a kick ass sound track.

Try and get hold of some kid rock stuff, they are class. Nice to see a modern band who can actually play good music and have loads of viarity and depth to them.

cocky is the best album of 2001 in my opinion.

 

[Welsh power house]

The Faculty, the Columbia/Sony Music Soundtrax album from the upcoming Dimension Films' sci-fi teen thriller, features new versions of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2)" and "Another Brick In The Wall (Part 1)" performed by the "Class Of '99," an altrock all-star supergroup featuring Layne Staley (Alice In Chains) on vocals, Tom Morello (Rage Against The Machine) on guitar, Steve Perkins (Jane's Addiction/Porno For Pyros) on drums and Martyn Le Noble (Porno For Pyros) on bass; "Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2)" includes choral work by Edward Tate and the First A.M.E. Voices of Gospel Youth Choir. The recording marks the first time Pink Floyd has sanctioned a remake of one of the band's songs for a motion picture. The Faculty soundtrack hits the stores December 15 and the film opens nationwide December 25.

In addition to the Class Of 99's recasting of the 1980 Pink Floyd classic, The Faculty soundtrack features other new interpretations of adolescent rock & roll anthems: Shawn Mullins' cover of David Bowie's "Changes," Soul Asylum's take on Alice Cooper's "School's Out," and Creed's rendition of Alice Cooper's "I'm 18." Rounding out The Faculty soundtrack are several original tunes by some of the hottest artists in alternative music today: "Stay Young" by Oasis, "The Kids Aren't All Right" by The Offspring, "Resuscitation" by Sheryl Crow, "Medication" by Garbage, "Haunting Me" by Stabbing Westward, "It's Over Now" by Neve and "Helpless" by D Generation.


Thats the shit on the soundtrack all sounds pretty good to me.

 

[6(SIC)6]

Any news on Metallica's newie?

 

[AlCunt]

Hey sic, long time no see

Hetfield is our of rehab, but they have no bassist, as Mike Inez (Ex- Alice in Chains) had to pull out of the recording process. So their management company approached Jason newstead to see if he would play bass for them.

I think this is a bad idea. While i doubt that there is any bad blood between the two camps, i dont think you should go back to something you walked out of. And no disrespect to Jason, he's a good bassist, but there are better session playes out there than him that would kill to play with metallica.

 

[6(SIC)6]

I've seen those exact words somewhere before...

Anyway, hopefully they can find another bassist soon!

Who do you think should do the job?

hmm, does Cliff Burton have a son?

 

[Estranged]

Where has that prick who drinks blood gone?

 

[6(SIC)6]

I believe he's on a date with your mother

 

[AlCunt]

i think ratm's timmy c should go for the metallica spot....