Multiple sources for HRT?

[hardrock]

I have a couple places that gave me the green light. Problem is one has cheaper HGH,var the other cheaper test, deca, etc.

Has anyone ever used more than one clinic at a time?

Could you get in any trouble using more than one at a time to increase dosages for mini cycles throughout HRT also?

 

[digger]

Sounds like a Hollywood chippie trying to score extra diet pills. You go to all that trouble to get a doctor's okay, you're safe and legal -- do you really want to push it?



Don't pay any attention to me. I'm just bumping a spammer off the front page.

 

[phatrr]

I have a couple places that gave me the green light. Problem is one has cheaper HGH,var the other cheaper test, deca, etc.

Has anyone ever used more than one clinic at a time?

Could you get in any trouble using more than one at a time to increase dosages for mini cycles throughout HRT also?

Define trouble. Legally it's probably a gray area. It's illegal to shop for multiple dosings of meds for the same medical condition (don't know if this fed or state by state). But, for example, if I buy 1 vial of Test, at 100mg/week, I've purchased enough for 6 months. So, if I buy two vials, am I just buying supplies for the future?

Medically, it's not a gray area. You'll be going against your doc's advice. Could have health consequences, which may or may not show up on subsequent bloodwork.

If you're footing the bill, you should be able to buy from your choice of pharmacies.

 

[thelion2005]

If you have a prescription for a drug from a Doctor A ...
And get it filled from Pharm A ...

And then go to Doctor B and get the same med ....
Go to Pharm B and get it filled ....

You have acted illegally. Insurance would catch you and simply decline payment to B.

Would someone come after you? Heck no ...

Let's say Doctor A provides you with 3 prescriptions and you have no insurance ... and you can get better out-of-pocket costs shopping around ... Why not? Nothing illegal here.

This is going to cost you a fortune. Why screw around like this? Design your own program, get it filled and go forward. You want to do a cycle? Do it.

 

[hardrock]

Lion- My insuraqnce doesn't pay for it. My doc knows my situation and he knows I'm going through an out of state clinic, but not which one.

Basically without insurance knowing, there really isn't anyway of anyone finding out right?

 

[Maxgain]

Whats the deal with so many people in the hrt forum trying to take as high a dose as possible thats what the AA foruim is for you are abusing the drugs if you do this

 

[hardrock]

Whats the deal with so many people in the hrt forum trying to take as high a dose as possible thats what the AA foruim is for you are abusing the drugs if you do this

Who said anything about as high dose as possible?

I am on HRT and will be indefinately as my body doesn't produce enough on its own. I simply want to run higher dose cycles for lean mass gain a couple times a year while on HRT, then back down to normal levels.

I am posting here because I want feedback from people who do this legally not the guys on the AAS forum.

 

[Maxgain]

Who said anything about as high dose as possible?

I am on HRT and will be indefinately as my body doesn't produce enough on its own. I simply want to run higher dose cycles for lean mass gain a couple times a year while on HRT, then back down to normal levels.

I am posting here because I want feedback from people who do this legally not the guys on the AAS forum.

I dont see how you are doing this legally you are taking doses of testosterone that your doctor has not prescribed you to take nor will approve of. Just because you are getting it in a safer way it still is a steroid cycle and you have left the realms of hrt

 

[hardrock]

I dont see how you are doing this legally you are taking doses of testosterone that your doctor has not prescribed you to take nor will approve of. Just because you are getting it in a safer way it still is a steroid cycle and you have left the realms of hrt

WTF does my doctor have to do with this. All he does is my blood work and physical. I go through an out of state clinic for my HRT meds. If they prescribe it how can it be illegal?

 

[phatrr]

It's illegal b/c you're seeking medication from multiple providers for the same condition. You're right: the chances of it getting caught are small. However, if you're investigated, it's on the record and could become part of the case against you.

If you're set on doing something like this, why not just buy your "extra" on the black market? Keep it off your records that way...

 

[Maxgain]

Just because you get away with it it is illegal prescritption medicines are to be taken under the instruction of a physician. However my main problem is you continuing to call it hrt when what you are planning to do is not.

 

[hardrock]

Just because you get away with it it is illegal prescritption medicines are to be taken under the instruction of a physician. However my main problem is you continuing to call it hrt when what you are planning to do is not.

You got shit in your ears or what?

I'm talking about running HRT year round. Within that I'll bump it up to cycle dose for some lean mass gains once or twice a year. Then back down to HRT dose. I will be on the lower dose indefinitely hence HRT.

So basically what you're saying is someone on HRT can never run a cycle again? LOL

 

[Maxgain]

Ok fine lets forget that it is posted in the hrt forum yet youa are discussing the legality of a steroid cycle.
To answer your original question you will need to be with 2 different insurance companies or you will get caught and even still there would be a chance. Would you be prosecuted unlikely but possible but you may be rejected in the future for insurance payments.

 

[hardrock]

Ok fine lets forget that it is posted in the hrt forum yet youa are discussing the legality of a steroid cycle.
To answer your original question you will need to be with 2 different insurance companies or you will get caught and even still there would be a chance. Would you be prosecuted unlikely but possible but you may be rejected in the future for insurance payments.

I posted here cause I wanted to hear from HRT users that also run higher dose cycles and how they go about it. as far as insurance goes, see post #5 bro. My insurance does not pay for it.

 

[Maxgain]

well then you are right id be very surprised should you end up with legal repercussions

 

[Jacksonboy]

I guess that - technically, anyway - what you are proposing really isn't "hrt" (hormone REPLACEMENT therapy) any more. Maybe "hat" (hormone AUGMENTATION therapy) would be a more precise term, lol.

I've been on hrt for just a few months, feel healthy for the first time in years, ready to finally get back to the gym, and I've thought about doing exactly the same thing. In my case - and I don't have health insurance, so I'm footing the bill for all of it anyway - my doctor doesn't know shit about hrt. After several weeks of nagging him to test my hormone levels, he finally did and my tests came back with total testosterone about 138! So I'm now on Androgel and it's costing me a fortune!

But here's the thing...previously, I was on heavy-duty painkillers for years. I've got a disc problem in my lower back from a previous failed lumbar surgery and four new herniated discs to boot. The surgeon told me that if it was him, he'd just stay on painkillers and forget another surgery, that no one can be sure I wouldn't come out with MORE pain!

Now docs are scared to prescribe enough painkillers to really get anybody out of pain completely, so I suffered for a lot of years. I finaly started "doctor shopping" just so I could lead a semi-normal life. I HAD to do it. The DEA and congress made a criminal out of me. But I got by...

Okay. Enter hrt. After 2 weeks, it was time to renew my scripts for hydrocodone and oxycontin. I was feeling so good and was tolerating the pain so much better that I told the doc to drop the oxycontin. I didn't want it. He couldn't believe it! He couldn't believe a long-term oxycontin user was actually asking to be taken off of it! But hell, I never wanted those damn painkillers in the first place. I just wanted a normal, pain-free existence. My script comes up again in about a week and I'm going to ask him to cut the hydrocodone back by about a third.

Having normal test levels has made it so much easier to tolerate the pain. I mean, it still hurts like hell - ALL the time. But I can now deal with it better. I feel like fighting that daily battle with the pain now - just like I used to years ago when I first got hurt. I originally went on the painkillers because I was so tired and exhausted, so depressed from facing that long daily fight against continual agony that it was either eat pills or shoot myself in the head.

I know that if I can get back in the gym and get back to lifting the heavy iron (in very controlled and careful movements, of course) that I'll feel even better. My goal is to get off the painkillers completely. Forever.

And if I have to "doctor shop" for my hormones, then I'll damn sure do it. I learned a long time ago that the laws aren't neccessarily right or just. And I learned that we have to take control of our health and well-being ourselves - especially in this area. Because doctors are more worried about keeping their license to practice, about keeping up their reputations, and about avoiding prosecution themselves than they will EVER be about you, the patient. And even endocrinologists usually don't have even half the knowledge that a well-educated and careful bodybuilder has.

I see hormone augmentation therapy, as I will now call it (cool name for it, I think) as no more wrong or unethical than breast augmentation, liposuction, makeup, "lifts" in a short guys shoes, creatine, protien shakes, or vitamins, or any form of plastic surgery. In most cases, it's a hell of a lot safer too. You might notice, if you take a second look at that short list in the previous sentence, all the most dangerous things involve doctors, lol.

Good luck with your plans. Just keep a careful log of which pharmacy you use for which prescription(s). Don't get them mixed up. That's how people get caught (going to the same pharmacy you went to last month with a script from a different doctor). The pharmacist will start calling the doctors, saying, "Hey! Did you know that so-n-so is using another doctor as well?". You may not get legally busted (although you might. I mean, it IS technically illegal and people DO get busted for it - just ask Rush Limbaugh! LOL!) But you will definately get cut off by both doctors if they find out. Good luck.

 

[motodawg]

I guess that - technically, anyway - what you are proposing really isn't "hrt" (hormone REPLACEMENT therapy) any more. Maybe "hat" (hormone AUGMENTATION therapy) would be a more precise term, lol.

I've been on hrt for just a few months, feel healthy for the first time in years, ready to finally get back to the gym, and I've thought about doing exactly the same thing. In my case - and I don't have health insurance, so I'm footing the bill for all of it anyway - my doctor doesn't know shit about hrt. After several weeks of nagging him to test my hormone levels, he finally did and my tests came back with total testosterone about 138! So I'm now on Androgel and it's costing me a fortune!

But here's the thing...previously, I was on heavy-duty painkillers for years. I've got a disc problem in my lower back from a previous failed lumbar surgery and four new herniated discs to boot. The surgeon told me that if it was him, he'd just stay on painkillers and forget another surgery, that no one can be sure I wouldn't come out with MORE pain!

Now docs are scared to prescribe enough painkillers to really get anybody out of pain completely, so I suffered for a lot of years. I finaly started "doctor shopping" just so I could lead a semi-normal life. I HAD to do it. The DEA and congress made a criminal out of me. But I got by...

Okay. Enter hrt. After 2 weeks, it was time to renew my scripts for hydrocodone and oxycontin. I was feeling so good and was tolerating the pain so much better that I told the doc to drop the oxycontin. I didn't want it. He couldn't believe it! He couldn't believe a long-term oxycontin user was actually asking to be taken off of it! But hell, I never wanted those damn painkillers in the first place. I just wanted a normal, pain-free existence. My script comes up again in about a week and I'm going to ask him to cut the hydrocodone back by about a third.

Having normal test levels has made it so much easier to tolerate the pain. I mean, it still hurts like hell - ALL the time. But I can now deal with it better. I feel like fighting that daily battle with the pain now - just like I used to years ago when I first got hurt. I originally went on the painkillers because I was so tired and exhausted, so depressed from facing that long daily fight against continual agony that it was either eat pills or shoot myself in the head.

I know that if I can get back in the gym and get back to lifting the heavy iron (in very controlled and careful movements, of course) that I'll feel even better. My goal is to get off the painkillers completely. Forever.

And if I have to "doctor shop" for my hormones, then I'll damn sure do it. I learned a long time ago that the laws aren't neccessarily right or just. And I learned that we have to take control of our health and well-being ourselves - especially in this area. Because doctors are more worried about keeping their license to practice, about keeping up their reputations, and about avoiding prosecution themselves than they will EVER be about you, the patient. And even endocrinologists usually don't have even half the knowledge that a well-educated and careful bodybuilder has.

I see hormone augmentation therapy, as I will now call it (cool name for it, I think) as no more wrong or unethical than breast augmentation, liposuction, makeup, "lifts" in a short guys shoes, creatine, protien shakes, or vitamins, or any form of plastic surgery. In most cases, it's a hell of a lot safer too. You might notice, if you take a second look at that short list in the previous sentence, all the most dangerous things involve doctors, lol.

Good luck with your plans. Just keep a careful log of which pharmacy you use for which prescription(s). Don't get them mixed up. That's how people get caught (going to the same pharmacy you went to last month with a script from a different doctor). The pharmacist will start calling the doctors, saying, "Hey! Did you know that so-n-so is using another doctor as well?". You may not get legally busted (although you might. I mean, it IS technically illegal and people DO get busted for it - just ask Rush Limbaugh! LOL!) But you will definately get cut off by both doctors if they find out. Good luck.

similar circumstance good luck getting of the opiates stay strong

 

[Jacksonboy]

Just an update here:

A few weeks ago, I described how I used multiple doctors for pain killer prescriptionster in the past - due to agony in my lower back from multiple ruptured discs and a previous failed lumbar surgery. I described how, after going on HRT therapy when I doscovered my total test level was 138, I felt a thousand times better and started telling my doctor(s) to lower my pain meds.

I was completely off oxycontin 3 weeks after starting HRT (stories about how the withdrawals last for months is bullshit). At that point, I was only taking four hydrocodone 10/650s a day - down A LOT from what I was taking before.

Now, after being on HRT for several months (I'm using Testim, 10mgs. or 2 tubes daily. I switched from Androgel because Testim is cheaper and also seems better for the libido), I'm only taking one hydrocodone every morning, just to get me through those first couple hours, right after I get out of bed when the pain is the most intense! I can't believe I'm down to just ONE friggin' hydrocodone a day! And with the thoroughly fucked up back that I've got!

No doubt about it, HRT is really healthy for older men (I'm just 40). The difference in energy and feeling of well-being is amazing!

I started working out again (I used to be a bodybuilder and personal trainer for about eight years) after many years of starting and stopping due to the back pain, sciatica, and extreme exhaustion that comes with battling that pain all the time. After 2 weeks of whole-body workouts, three days per week, just to get my muscles conditioned so that I could REALLY train hard, I'm now on a 4-day split (two days on, one day off, two days on, then two days off - I train Mon., Tues. off on Wed., train on Thurs. and Fri., then off on Sat. and Sun.). Every training day, I hit one or two major muscle groups and one or two small muscle groups. Each muscle (other than abs) gets hit once per week.

I'm building muscle like crazy! I see a huge difference in my body every morning when I wake up and look in the mirror. My wife loves it! For the first time in my life (maybe because I used to be close to competitive condition for many, many years with a lot of size and density so muscle memory is working in my favor) I'm actually gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time - and I mean LOTS of muscle and LOTS of fat!

Of course, my workouts are intense as hell. I go to absolute failure on every single set. For every exercise, after a quick warm-up set or two, I jump right to the heaviest weight I can handle for 7-10 reps and go to failure. And on that final rep (or half-rep if I can't finish it completely) I make sure I get a nice, long, slow, and agonizing negative as I lower the weight before I set the dumbell or barbells down and finish that set. I adjust the weight as needed from set to set in order to always hit failure somewhere in that 7 to 10 rep-range. On quads, I go for a slightly higher rep-range, usually 12-15 reps. My diet is really strict. I'm eating 5-6 times a day and I'm sleeping about 9 hours every night.

I feel like a human being again for the first time in a lot of years! Testosterone and iron are my best friends, lol!